Bill Moyers message for Obama re: health reform

carnivore

pokersloper wrote: [quote=mr. met]to be fair, obama hasn't been in office that long, and he is trying for health care reform. it will happen eventually. whether it's the reform that's best is another story.

you keep posting long lists of obama's promises. you should give him more than a year to fulfill all of them. be realistic and give him a chance, at least.

the President of the United States of America can't multitask? What happened to "Yes we can"?
The President can multitask for things that can be accomplished within the Executive branch. However, much of what he wants to accomplish requires working with Congress, which takes longer.

pokersloper

Carnivore wrote: [quote=pokersloper][quote=mr. met]to be fair, obama hasn't been in office that long, and he is trying for health care reform. it will happen eventually. whether it's the reform that's best is another story.

you keep posting long lists of obama's promises. you should give him more than a year to fulfill all of them. be realistic and give him a chance, at least.

the President of the United States of America can't multitask? What happened to "Yes we can"?
The President can multitask for things that can be accomplished within the Executive branch. However, much of what he wants to accomplish requires working with Congress, which takes longer.

President Obama:

-gay rights (promise broken)
-women's rights (promise broken)
-human rights (not a word)
-antitrust legislation (haven’t seen it or heard a word)
-oil consumption reduced (not a word)
-fully fund the Veterans Admin (promised, not a word)
-Israel (wasn't he interested in something called a peace process?)
-end warrantless wiretaps (promise broken)
-reduce nuclear stockpiles (promised, not a word)
-promised central, internet lobbying database for reports (promised, not a word)
-citizenship pathways for undocumented workers (promised, not a word)
-stronger lobbying rules (promise broken)
-earmark waiting period (not a word)
-global effort to make nuclear stockpiles safe (not a word)
-and the list goes on and on and on…

mr. met

parkersloper, are you not listening to what people are telling you?

pokersloper

mr. met wrote: parkersloper, are you not listening to what people are telling you?

are you crying wolf again?

sure listening, but not buying.

Obama I ask:

carnivore

pokersloper wrote:
President Obama:

-gay rights (promise broken)
-women's rights (promise broken)
-human rights (not a word)
-antitrust legislation (haven’t seen it or heard a word)
-oil consumption reduced (not a word)
-fully fund the Veterans Admin (promised, not a word)
-Israel (wasn't he interested in something called a peace process?)
-end warrantless wiretaps (promise broken)
-reduce nuclear stockpiles (promised, not a word)
-promised central, internet lobbying database for reports (promised, not a word)
-citizenship pathways for undocumented workers (promised, not a word)
-stronger lobbying rules (promise broken)
-earmark waiting period (not a word)
-global effort to make nuclear stockpiles safe (not a word)
-and the list goes on and on and on…

He can't do everything first; just because he hasn't done something in the first 8 months doesn't make it a "promise broken." And some of your claims are blatantly untrue. Regarding oil consumption, several of the stimulus programs (including cash for clunkers) directly addressed this.

I'm totally with you on the warrantless wiretaps though. That was all kinds of bullshit.

pokersloper

Carnivore wrote: [quote=pokersloper]
President Obama:

-gay rights (promise broken)
-women's rights (promise broken)
-human rights (not a word)
-antitrust legislation (haven’t seen it or heard a word)
-oil consumption reduced (not a word)
-fully fund the Veterans Admin (promised, not a word)
-Israel (wasn't he interested in something called a peace process?)
-end warrantless wiretaps (promise broken)
-reduce nuclear stockpiles (promised, not a word)
-promised central, internet lobbying database for reports (promised, not a word)
-citizenship pathways for undocumented workers (promised, not a word)
-stronger lobbying rules (promise broken)
-earmark waiting period (not a word)
-global effort to make nuclear stockpiles safe (not a word)
-and the list goes on and on and on…

He can't do everything first; just because he hasn't done something in the first 8 months doesn't make it a "promise broken." And some of your claims are blatantly untrue. Regarding oil consumption, several of the stimulus programs (including cash for clunkers) directly addressed this.

I'm totally with you on the warrantless wiretaps though. That was all kinds of bullshit.

That is actually kind of funny, because from that list, wiretapping is the only one I applaud Obama for flip flopping on. He figured out that when the buck stops with you, things are very different.

carnivore

So back to healthcare reform...

pokersloper

cash for clunkers was not about new programs, it was about keeping an old one.

pokersloper

mr. met wrote:

the President of the United States of America can't multitask? What happened to "Yes we can"?

you sound like one of the people that believed america would be magically transformed the day after the election.

I sound like one of those people who is offended by a president who breaks promises and peforms like an amateur. Eight months in and the president has proven one thing - he is big on speeches and platform and small on action.

mr. met

Eight months in and the president has proven one thing - he is big on speeches and platform and small on action.

he has been working on health care reform and it will be voted on soon.

do you deny this?

pokersloper

mr. met wrote:

Eight months in and the president has proven one thing - he is big on speeches and platform and small on action.

he has been working on health care reform and it will be voted on soon.

do you deny this?

Why would I deny this? Do you deny that pizza tastes good and that milk comes from cows?

You are funny. Obama has been president for 8 months, the only topic of the summer has been healthcare, and you need me to confirm this? So odd.

mr. met

Why would I deny this?

because you keep saying that he is doing nothing on health care!!!

Obama has been president for 8 months, the only topic of the summer has been healthcare, and you need me to confirm this?

probably because it's the most important topic.

and just because that is what the media is focusing on doesn't mean obama isn't doing other things.

pokersloper

mr. met wrote:

Why would I deny this?

because you keep saying that he is doing nothing on health care!!!

Obama has been president for 8 months, the only topic of the summer has been healthcare, and you need me to confirm this?

probably because it's the most important topic.

and just because that is what the media is focusing on doesn't mean obama isn't doing other things.

So it is your opinion that to be critical of Obama's health care progress, I must confirm that he is working on it? I must say, I don’t think your questioning is very productive and it seems to be some weird kind of angle shooting.

mr. met

So it is your opinion that to be critical of Obama's health care progress, I must confirm that he is working on it?

sorry. so you are saying that YES, he is working on it, BUT that you want him to be done with it already and that he is taking too long?

boygabriel

I believe pokersloper has already labeled health care a failure for Obama.

pokersloper, correct me if I'm wrong.

pokersloper

Boygabriel wrote: I believe pokersloper has already labeled health care a failure for Obama.

pokersloper, correct me if I'm wrong.

BoyG,

What I have been saying, over and over again, is that Obama is failing in the best possible political environement for him. Hopefully, Obama will get something out of this health care mess. I, and the NY Times,and others say this looks like a lost cause with far fewer changes then we were promised. If you are promised a new car, and it looks like you are getting old roller skates, well, that is the way it goes. I have no problem calling it like I see it.

boygabriel

Right. you are predicting failure for his presidency and his health care agenda.

you will be wrong on both counts.

pokersloper

Boygabriel wrote: Right. you are predicting failure for his presidency and his health care agenda.

you will be wrong on both counts.

I hope you are right. But as I said however long ago, I am enjoying Obama's floundering. He has lied too much and broken too many promises for me to love the guy. He is my president and I hope he does well, but as I keep saying, he is floundering and failing and I rather enjoy watching it.

I bet H. Clinton is also enjoying it, except for the part about Obama making a promise to Planned Parenthood about abortion law only to break it.

boygabriel

pokersloper wrote: I hope you are right. But as I said however long ago, I am enjoying Obama's floundering. He has lied too much and broken too many promises for me to love the guy. He is my president and I hope he does well, but as I keep saying, he is floundering and failing and I rather enjoy watching it.

I bet H. Clinton is also enjoying it, except for the part about Obama making a promise to Planned Parenthood about abortion law only to break it.

I enjoy semi-Democratic worry trolls who are falling all over themselves to point out his failures.

their predictions were painfully wrong during the primary and general election, and they will be so again during his tenure.

mr. met

"i don't want him to fail, but i enjoy watching him fail"

pokersloper

Boygabriel wrote: [quote=pokersloper]I hope you are right. But as I said however long ago, I am enjoying Obama's floundering. He has lied too much and broken too many promises for me to love the guy. He is my president and I hope he does well, but as I keep saying, he is floundering and failing and I rather enjoy watching it.

I bet H. Clinton is also enjoying it, except for the part about Obama making a promise to Planned Parenthood about abortion law only to break it.

I enjoy semi-Democratic worry trolls who are falling all over themselves to point out his failures.

their predictions were painfully wrong during the primary and general election, and they will be so again during his tenure.

I don't know what a semi-democratic troll is? I know that I support social issues like gay marriage and stronger abortion laws that Obama made promises on only to break those promises.

boygabriel

pokersloper wrote: I don't know what a semi-democratic troll is?

semi-democrat means someone who votes democrat but spends all their time criticizing the party and predicting failure.

pokersloper

Boygabriel wrote: [quote=pokersloper][quote=Boygabriel]I have nothing else to add about holding lying presidents accountable and apparently neither do you.

Oh, I have plenty of thoughts on lying presidents. For one, gay organizations and women's rights groups have completely remained silent after Obama made campaign promises to them that were lies.

Abortion law promised - not passed
repeal of don't ask don't tell promised - didn't happen

One of the reasons I could so easily vote for McCain, as a gay rights and pro choice person, is that it was very clear that Obama would never mention these issues again after the election. We all got duped when Bill Clinton promised to allow gays in the military, instead, we got don't ask, don't tell. Obama voters got duped again. But Bush hate is so high, that folks are willing to accept Obama's lies, failures and flip flops. Man, what a mandate Obama has and he still has no backbone.

Until Democrats actually fight for what they believe in, I have no problem voting for republicans like John McCain.

Uh oh, BoyG might accuse me of a tangent! yawn.

yup. empty campaign promises. Obama isn't the first, nor the last, nor close to the worst.

Remember compassionate conservatism? that was awesome.

Remember compassionate Kennedy? That was awesome.

eggcream

Don't forget this compassionate liberal. Is compassionate spelled with three K's?

carnivore

[quote=eggcream]Don't forget this compassionate liberal. Is compassionate spelled with three K's?





There's nothing liberal about that guy.

whynot_31

or compassionate about that guy.

pokersloper

Carnivore wrote: [quote=eggcream]Don't forget this compassionate liberal. Is compassionate spelled with three K's?





There's nothing liberal about that guy.

Maybe you could post another cartoon on the matter Carnivore to demonstrate how thoughtful and open minded you are towards moderates and conservatives. So funny.

whynot_31

you should not refer to Byrd as a cartoon.

carnivore

pokersloper wrote: Maybe you could post another cartoon on the matter Carnivore to demonstrate how thoughtful and open minded you are towards moderates and conservatives. So funny.

Context?

Byrd is the last of the "solid South" Democrats, from before the Republican party won over people like him. He has never been a liberal.

pokersloper

Carnivore wrote: [quote=pokersloper]Maybe you could post another cartoon on the matter Carnivore to demonstrate how thoughtful and open minded you are towards moderates and conservatives. So funny.

Context?



I want a Carnivore encore, a follow up cartoon that stereotypes and misrepresents as well as your other one.