Juniors Cheesecake?? Not so Yummy anymore huh...
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Rachel, with your new found Brooklynian celeb status you should change your sig line :-)
not sure what would be catchy though :-k Maybe Karl the Druid can help us here? -
Whatchuwant wrote: I personally think its kinda douchy that WHOEVER took the photos decided to do a slanderous campaign against the restaurant without even talking to them first. Instead, they go straight to the web with the photos not even giving the proprietors a chance to address it first.
Actually, it would be libel in this case, not slander, but only if it were unfounded. That aside, I don't think that anyone is under any obligation to bring it to the attention of the establishment. Their employees, scores of them, spend 8 hours a day there - do you really think that it's reasonable to assume that they don't have any knowledge of the pest situation?
If the "photographer" spoke to the owners and said- hey, I see a little mousy! and the owners said- yea? well, he won't eat much- then I can understand the bad publicity. But, that probably wouldn't have happened, they would have addressed it right away and no one would be the wiser, giving them a fair opportunity to take care of it.
Douchy. -
WhyFi wrote: [quote=Whatchuwant]I personally think its kinda douchy that WHOEVER took the photos decided to do a slanderous campaign against the restaurant without even talking to them first. Instead, they go straight to the web with the photos not even giving the proprietors a chance to address it first.
Actually, it would be libel in this case, not slander, but only if it were unfounded. That aside, I don't think that anyone is under any obligation to bring it to the attention of the establishment. Their employees, scores of them, spend 8 hours a day there - do you really think that it's reasonable to assume that they don't have any knowledge of the pest situation?
If the "photographer" spoke to the owners and said- hey, I see a little mousy! and the owners said- yea? well, he won't eat much- then I can understand the bad publicity. But, that probably wouldn't have happened, they would have addressed it right away and no one would be the wiser, giving them a fair opportunity to take care of it.
Douchy.
No, not obligated- but we all consider Junior's to be a Brooklyn institution, no? It has a history that even our grandparents and great-grandparents acknowledge. It would just have been cooler of the person to at least tell someone first before throwing it up online.
Employees? They may have said something to management, but then again, it's a service job- not necessarily a career for some. -
This is the best post ever!
I wonder where that little mouse is now. The Junior owners might have tortured the poor little guy for revenge
Maybe Juniors could make this bad thing into something good...they could give each child who buys cheese cake a take-home stuffed mouse. Giving toys to kids works for McDonalds. -
raw wrote: I wonder where that little mouse is now.
Last I heard, he was nabbed at the airport attempting to flee (flea? : ) the country:
http://gothamist.com/2009/10/22/mouse_attack_at_jfk.php -
No, not obligated- but we all consider Junior's to be a Brooklyn institution, no? It has a history that even our grandparents and great-grandparents acknowledge.
I love the fact that we are supposed to turn a blind eye to a blatant health risk because something is a "Brooklyn institution".
No matter how famous or meaningful an establishment they must continue to adhere to the basic guidelines of public health.
I loved Coney Island as a child, but in the 1980's when crack pipes and hypodermic needles littered the beach and prostitutes lingered along the board walk the city had to close it to the public and rehab it.
I wasn't calling for a boycott of Junior's, and I would love to take my grand kids there in 40 years (after they have fixed the rodent issue of course)
but if people are not held accountable (even for things that seem small or insignificant) than who do we blame when the ramifications of neglected violations and wrong doing wreak havoc on society.
I love the Brooklyn Bridge but should I turn a blind eye when I see reports that the Brooklyn Bridge approach ramps received a rating of "poor" ? -
Fancy wrote: WOW. THANK YOU.
Fancy why are you so hung up on race, religion and ethnicity?
THEY DO HAVE A FROZEN APPLE CHEESE CAKE. NO MICE (RATS) CAN SURVIVE THE FREEZER. THE OLD DAYS ARE GONE FOREVER.
DON'T GET ANYTHING WITH CHOCOLATE CHIPS ON IT., COULD B DROPPINGS.
HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND. (WITHOUT JUNIORS).
DON'T SOME MIDDLE EASTERNERS OWNED IT NOW? USE 2 B JEWISH OWNED. NO BLACKS WERE ALLOWED 2 ENTER THROUGH THE FRONT DOORS, BACK IN THE DAY.
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Whatchuwant wrote: No, not obligated- but we all consider Junior's to be a Brooklyn institution, no?
If that's the case, shouldn't the owners feel even *more* obligated to hold themselves and the restaurant to a higher standard? Or at least a vermin-shouldn't-feel-comfortable-running-around-in-the-display-case standard?Whatchuwant wrote: Employees? They may have said something to management, but then again, it's a service job- not necessarily a career for some.
Uhhhh - bullshit. Typically, restaurants are a source of free (or really low-priced) food for employees - every employee under that roof, management included, already knows. I'll grant you that a very hands-off owner might be in the dark, but, if they are that hands-off, a) they need a rude awakening and b) they're never on site and a do-good customer, not being a super sleuth, isn't going to be able to contact them easily. -
raw wrote: This is the best post ever!
I wonder where that little mouse is now. The Junior owners might have tortured the poor little guy for revenge
Maybe Juniors could make this bad thing into something good...they could give each child who buys cheese cake a take-home stuffed mouse. Giving toys to kids works for McDonalds.
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Don't forget the possibility of a petting zoo. -
Rachel Rae wrote:
Uh, re-read my post (you too, Wi-Fi)- I never said turn a blind eye- I said TELL THE MANAGEMENT FIRST. Give them a chance to rectify the situation before blowing it all over the internet.No, not obligated- but we all consider Junior's to be a Brooklyn institution, no? It has a history that even our grandparents and great-grandparents acknowledge.
I love the fact that we are supposed to turn a blind eye to a blatant health risk because something is a "Brooklyn institution". -
WhyFi wrote: [quote=Whatchuwant]No, not obligated- but we all consider Junior's to be a Brooklyn institution, no?
If that's the case, shouldn't the owners feel even *more* obligated to hold themselves and the restaurant to a higher standard? Or at least a vermin-shouldn't-feel-comfortable-running-around-in-the-display-case standard?
Eh- don't we all have our "greasy spoons" that we love to go to? We know that their standards of cleanliness is sub par, but damn their food is good.
Listen- OF COURSE all owners of eateries should have high standards - I don't think eating institutions such as Junior's or Nathan's should have to have any higher than the local coffee shop. I'm not arguing to keep the little mousy in the display case. All I'm saying is to talk to the management first before blasting it all over the interweb. Sheesh!Whatchuwant wrote: Employees? They may have said something to management, but then again, it's a service job- not necessarily a career for some.
Uhhhh - bullshit. Typically, restaurants are a source of free (or really low-priced) food for employees - every employee under that roof, management included, already knows. I'll grant you that a very hands-off owner might be in the dark, but, if they are that hands-off, a) they need a rude awakening and b) they're never on site and a do-good customer, not being a super sleuth, isn't going to be able to contact them easily.
Ummm, what part is bullshit here? So what they give their employees free or cheap food - what does that have to do with anything? Maybe they don't eat there because they know what the kitchen looks like. Maybe they do because its' so clean you could eat off the floor. Maybe the mouse was a ONE TIME deal! -
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Whatchuwant wrote: [quote=WhyFi][quote=Whatchuwant]No, not obligated- but we all consider Junior's to be a Brooklyn institution, no?
If that's the case, shouldn't the owners feel even *more* obligated to hold themselves and the restaurant to a higher standard? Or at least a vermin-shouldn't-feel-comfortable-running-around-in-the-display-case standard?
Eh- don't we all have our "greasy spoons" that we love to go to? We know that their standards of cleanliness is sub par, but damn their food is good.
Listen- OF COURSE all owners of eateries should have high standards - I don't think eating institutions such as Junior's or Nathan's should have to have any higher than the local coffee shop. I'm not arguing to keep the little mousy in the display case. All I'm saying is to talk to the management first before blasting it all over the interweb. Sheesh!Whatchuwant wrote: Employees? They may have said something to management, but then again, it's a service job- not necessarily a career for some.
WhyFi wrote: Uhhhh - bullshit. Typically, restaurants are a source of free (or really low-priced) food for employees - every employee under that roof, management included, already knows. I'll grant you that a very hands-off owner might be in the dark, but, if they are that hands-off, a) they need a rude awakening and b) they're never on site and a do-good customer, not being a super sleuth, isn't going to be able to contact them easily.
Whatchuwant wrote: Ummm, what part is bullshit here? So what they give their employees free or cheap food - what does that have to do with anything? Maybe they don't eat there because they know what the kitchen looks like. Maybe they do because its' so clean you could eat off the floor.
Your argument is based on the premise that management is ignorant of the condition, which is bullshit. You'd be notifying someone of a condition that they're already fully aware of - something that they should have already addressed, but obviously haven't. Think about - as an employee, this is a place that you could potentially eat at, for free, 3-5 + times per week - do you really think that you wouldn't notice the condition of the kitchen where that food comes from? I was a bartender once upon a time, and I was fully aware of the condition of all of the kitchens of the restaurants that I worked at; bartenders probably spend the least amount of time in the kitchen, of all employees.Whatchuwant wrote: Maybe the mouse was a ONE TIME deal!
Yeeeaaahh, sure. -
Guy, THINK: this is JUNIOR'S.
That mouse was obvi a tourist.
It's like no one's even read The Town Mouse and The Country Mouse. -
If it was from Brooklyn, it would have been a rat.
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^^^ was there a mouse, with a camera, in that cooler?!?!
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If management doesn't know about vermin infestations in its restaurants, it isn't doing its job.
If it does know, and doesn't correct the situation without being threatened by bad publicity, it isn't doing its job.
Notifying management before going public simply allows them to continue ignoring vermin until notified of impending publicity... do we want to encourage such behavior?
No. We want to blow the whistle loudly, so that the owners will replace the know-nothing, do-nothing management with more proactive managers. -
[quote="sweet tea"]Guy, THINK: this is JUNIOR'S.
That mouse was obvi a tourist.
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If tourist shop there , why shouldn't mice? -
One thing to keep in mind is that the presence of a mouse in a restaurant doesn't indicate that the place is unclean any more than the presence of a mouse in home means the home is unclean.
Restaurants are chock full of food. Rodents and insects are constantly assulting the battlements trying to find their way in. They will chew their way into the building through cracks from the exterior. What is important is not that one was seen, but what management does in response to this. Are all the food cases emptied, cleaned and exposed food thrown away? Is all stored food checked to see if it had been compromised? Is an exterminator called in to trap and bait? Is the exterminator back regularly to check the traps until all signs of infestation have disappeared?
Most of the reasonable reactions by an owner to this kind of infestation will never be seen by customers. Don't assume that because you don't see anything, that doesn't mean that there isn't a response to it. Unless and until you hear an employee saying "Yep, that place is gross, the mice run across the grills and everything and no one does anything about it" give them the benefit of the doubt. -
I say the next Brooklynian Meet your Fellow Bloggers Event should be at Juniors.
Seriously.
...that way only people with senses of humor and thick stomaches would show.
How about next Friday? 10/30/09
P.S. Newbies and Lurkers are sought. I'm met you regulars -
[quote="whynot_31"]I say the next Brooklynian Meet your Fellow Bloggers Event should be at Juniors.
Seriously.
...that way only people with senses of humor and thick stomaches would show.
How about next Friday? 10/30/09
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will it be BYOM ? -
no, but it would be the time to wear that Mickey Mouse t-shirt from your family vacation in 1994
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never recd a MM shirt, but did get an Elvis t in '94 when visiting Graceland,where I actually saw a mouse with sideburns.
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booklaw wrote: If management doesn't know about vermin infestations in its restaurants, it isn't doing its job.
I am only trying to help. You should not eat out anymore. "Vermin" are in everyplace from the best to the worst. Places that spend 1000's every year to have them killed and controlled, and can find themselves in a stampede from a subway repair,near by construction or fire. Anybody that his lived near a new or remodeled structure can tell you those lil' bastards will start poppin up everywhere. Like you I wouldn't want them running around on my favorite desert, but as a New Yorker I know they have, and I know most places are trying to keep it to a minimum. People who are outraged about rats should go to the playgrounds in the early am and see who is using the swing set. When your kid drops a Goldfish who do you think picks it up? Rats are everywhere. There is a vacant lot on Franklin and a playground on Park Pl just before Washington, Rat central. They jump out of the BBQ thats chained up there. Bon Appetite.
If it does know, and doesn't correct the situation without being threatened by bad publicity, it isn't doing its job.
Notifying management before going public simply allows them to continue ignoring vermin until notified of impending publicity... do we want to encourage such behavior?
No. We want to blow the whistle loudly, so that the owners will replace the know-nothing, do-nothing management with more proactive managers. -
That mouse works for the dept of health, nothing to worry about.
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you guys are over thinking this....mice love cheese! come on it was a mouse in a cheese store 4 g*ds sake LOL!!!!
PS cheesecake is gross. -
homeowner wrote:
THANK YOU, Homeowner!
Most of the reasonable reactions by an owner to this kind of infestation will never be seen by customers. Don't assume that because you don't see anything, that doesn't mean that there isn't a response to it. Unless and until you hear an employee saying "Yep, that place is gross, the mice run across the grills and everything and no one does anything about it" give them the benefit of the doubt.
And, you know, just cause you don't see any rodents in your fav restaurant, doesn't mean there aren't any! -
from what i heard on NY1 yesterday, the board of health followed up.
and here it is on the website ... http://ny1.com/7-brooklyn-news-content/top_stories/107831/junior-s-passes-inspection-in-wake-of-mouse-photos
The New York City Department of Health has given Junior's Restaurant a passing grade, after two photos surfaced on the Internet which appeared to show a mouse in a display window.
Junior's owner says he took immediate action when he was made aware of the problem, calling it an isolated incident.
Earlier this week, health inspectors found evidence of mice in non-food areas and issued several violations.
City health inspectors went back Thursday for a reinspection.
The full results will be available on the city health department's website next week. -
I'm glad they cleaned it up. This story probably helped the NY branch, I'm sure. Once corporate heard of this they probably got all the managers on high alert to clean up their act. This is a good thing.
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I emailed the writer from the Daily News to see how they verified the information in their stories. I never heard back from them, so my assumption is that they did not do any actual legwork that you would expect from a professional journalist. Too bad.
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Subject: Centipedes are your Friends
squindar wrote: [quote=youbetcha]BTW do you know about the centipedes???
yes, I smushed one in the bathroom the other day.
Yes, they look hairy and scary but they eat roach larvae, dust mites, and other nasty little bugs in the house. They are the good guys and don't do anything bad other than look wierd and stink if you squish them.
Let them clean up your invisible pest problem naturally.
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