Gun shots - Prospect Place?

izmesteffy

Last night, I heard some loud pops around 345am. Anyone else? I never heard sirens. These pops were loud, so I think they must've been close. Prospect b/w Classon & Franklin.

darieus

Yeah we heard it to. One pop a delay and then another, not very loud on Prospect between Classon and Grand but enough to wake us up.

eastbloc

Heard them very clearly. Strong report, sounded like a .45, loud enough that it could have been right outside. No sirens or commotion of any kind though.

Does the 77th use acoustic gunfire locators?

king without a crown

No gunfire locators and response to an incident doesnt necessarily require lights and sirens, unless the goal is to scare the perpetrators away.

eastbloc

I'm surprised about the lack of gunfire detectors. They seem like they would be a very cost-effective way to speed up responses to shootings.

king without a crown

They would be going off all day and night and would require a Police response each time. As it is, you're lucky if you can get a Cop when you really need one.

izmesteffy

So any idea if someone was shot?

eastbloc

kwac, are you suggesting shootings don't warrant a police response?

No wonder they're so prevalent if that's the attitude.

whynot_31

Gun shots are not equal to shootings. Both are way too frequent, but the former is even more common than the latter.

eastbloc

If I'm casually discharging a gun in the neighborhood, odds are overwhelmingly that I am in criminal possession of a weapon. Odds are also that I can reasonably be charged with reckless endangerment. And odds are pretty good that it's a matter of time before this weapon is used in the commission of a violent crime.

If Bloomberg is serious about getting guns off the streets, the cops shouldn't wait until someone is actually shot to carry out this program.

cccc

I don't see what the issue is. If someone calls 911 to report gunshots, the police will respond usually within four minutes. It's also extremely difficult for the police to catch someone in the act of firing a gun.

Fyi, Shotspotters would be inefficient in a city as dense as New York because they often mistake firecrackers, car backfires, etc., as gunshots. Also, when someone is shot outdoors within the city, the vast majority of the time people are close enough to the scene to report it to the police. If Shotspotters are to be used anywhere in the city, it would make the most sense for them to be placed in the crime ridden but less dense areas of Staten Island and Queens.

eastbloc

cccc wrote: I don't see what the issue is. If someone calls 911 to report gunshots, the police will respond usually within four minutes. It's also extremely difficult for the police to catch someone in the act of firing a gun.

Fyi, Shotspotters would be inefficient in a city as dense as New York because they often mistake firecrackers, car backfires, etc., as gunshots. Also, when someone is shot outdoors within the city, the vast majority of the time people are close enough to the scene to report it to the police. If Shotspotters are to be used anywhere in the city, it would make the most sense for them to be placed in the crime ridden but less dense areas of Staten Island and Queens.

Firecrackers are illegal and far less frequent in the neighborhood than gunshots, for better or for worse, and I can't remember the last time I've heard a car backfire.

Regardless, it's trivial for a computer to tell between these events, and it is indeed a feature sported by Shotspotter (event classification).

This incident on Sunday morning quite clearly illustrates the inefficacy of citizen reports of gunfire, since we can't even pinpoint the event within a three-block radius. A Shotspotter would have told us exactly where the event took place, and cops wouldn't have to drive around for five minutes while the shooter gets out of the way.

king without a crown

eastbloc wrote: kwac, are you suggesting shootings don't warrant a police response?

No wonder they're so prevalent if that's the attitude.

I wasn't saying that gunfire doesnt require a Police response, I was illustrating why the NYPD doesn't have nor want such a device.

whynot_31

KWAC, don't you know that you and your co-workers are simulatneously the cause and solution to all of society's ills? (sarcasm)

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/28/nyregion/28nyc.html?_r=1&src=un&feedurl=http://json8.nytimes.com/pages/nyregion/index.jsonp

eastbloc

King without a crown wrote: [quote=eastbloc]kwac, are you suggesting shootings don't warrant a police response?

No wonder they're so prevalent if that's the attitude.

I wasn't saying that gunfire doesnt require a Police response, I was illustrating why the NYPD doesn't have nor want such a device.

Which, in summary, is because they don't want to be bothered by having to respond to shootings.

Did I understand correctly?

jack krohn

It seems that the police are maligned no matter what they do. If they police aggressively, they are accused of brutality or harrassment. If they do not respond rapidly to each and every call, they are accused of being lazy. If they use technology, such as compstat or skywatch, they are accused of being liars or laughed at. Damned all around...

king without a crown

eastbloc wrote: [quote=King without a crown][quote=eastbloc]kwac, are you suggesting shootings don't warrant a police response?

No wonder they're so prevalent if that's the attitude.

I wasn't saying that gunfire doesnt require a Police response, I was illustrating why the NYPD doesn't have nor want such a device.

Which, in summary, is because they don't want to be bothered by having to respond to shootings.

Did I understand correctly?
No, the Police Department doesn't have enough manpower to fill patrol cars let alone respond to every instance of gunfire in NYC. The last class that graduated the Police Academy consisted of about 125 Officers, all of which were assigned to Transit. With the department down over 6000 Officers since 9/11 good luck finding a Cop when you call. I'm sure many can attest to waiting several hours for the response of the Police after calling 911.