SPLIT TOPIC: Minnesota's the place to be, you betchya

brookfetish

trixieNYC wrote: [quote=Livetotravel]Re Minnesota - this made me pee in my pants I laughed so hard - from http://www.cupofjohn.com/hate/

So what am I getting at here? Minnesotans tend not to hate anything, and I just find that unhealthy and a little disturbing. I don't hate Minnesota or Minnesotans, I hate that they don't hate anything. Most of them don't even honk their car horns! That's just wrong."

darling, I'm suuuuuuuuuure they hate "them"* gays.

With a state Legislature that came close to passing a constitutional ban on marriage equality and with Minnesota federal, statewide and legislative candidates on opposing sides of GLBT equality, this year's elections up and down the ticket are particularly important.


* before anyone gets their panties in a bind, I'm a big 'ol fag incase you didn't already know that

New York has also banned gay marriage.

kosherdave

Livetotravel wrote:

"I regarded Minnesota as a forgotten state lost somewhere up by Mount Rushmore and the Northwest Territory.

Hahaha, very close to MT Rushmore, just like my old apartment in Bensonhurst was close to the city

Livetotravel wrote: I don't hate Minnesota or Minnesotans, I hate that they don't hate anything.

hahahahah this is soooo true. You should meet Brookfetish's "roommate." You could practically punch her and she would not hate you. She's as Minnesota Nice as they come.

brookfetish

Livetotravel: have you ever BEEN to Minnesota?

parkslopedope

Can we please talk about all the crime in Park Slope? Aren't we all being mugged left and right? Doesn't anyone have a horror story to tell? Or maybe a report on how great it is to live in the friendly small town atmosphere of Waldron, Arkansas? Listen up potential newcomers! For those of you currently living outside of Brooklyn who are considering moving here, did you know that in Waldron, you can enjoy the natural beauty of Lake Ouachita, seasonal hunting activities, and river float trips? Come spend some time in Waldron, Arkansas! You will be glad you did!

trixienyc

BrookFetish wrote: [quote=trixieNYC][quote=Livetotravel]Re Minnesota - this made me pee in my pants I laughed so hard - from http://www.cupofjohn.com/hate/

So what am I getting at here? Minnesotans tend not to hate anything, and I just find that unhealthy and a little disturbing. I don't hate Minnesota or Minnesotans, I hate that they don't hate anything. Most of them don't even honk their car horns! That's just wrong."

darling, I'm suuuuuuuuuure they hate "them"* gays.

With a state Legislature that came close to passing a constitutional ban on marriage equality and with Minnesota federal, statewide and legislative candidates on opposing sides of GLBT equality, this year's elections up and down the ticket are particularly important.


* before anyone gets their panties in a bind, I'm a big 'ol fag incase you didn't already know that

New York has also banned gay marriage.

not just yet they haven't, still fighting in the works behind closed doors.

livetotravel

BrookFetish - firstly, notice I sited another source for that hilarious MN rant. And secondly, I have spent lots of time in Minneapolis, which along with NYC and SF I consider to be among the only livable cities in the US.
But step a few feet outside of there and I was amazed at how red-necky MN can be. And I know so are towns not that far form NYC, like in the Catskills.

kosherdave

Livetotravel wrote: ah, yes, right you are, Minnesota is also home to this little anti-choice requirement...

"A woman must receive state-directed counseling that includes information designed to discourage her from having an abortion and then wait 24 hours before the procedure is provided."

Although, MN was the birth place for what is accepted as "second-wave feminism" and was also the first state to rule in favor of a gay couple in a case on hospital rights.

MN, dispite being way off in the middle of nowhere, is very progressive, liberally speaking. A lot of states might learn a thing or two from them Minneapolisers. ;-)

But you're right, outside of the more populated areas, people become very red-state, very quickly...

brookfetish

Livetotravel wrote: But step a few feet outside of there and I was amazed at how red-necky MN can be. And I know so are towns not that far form NYC, like in the Catskills.

Yeah, I think that is with most any city - or at least any city I've lived in. Perhaps not as much difference in parts of the south.

che

trixieNYC wrote: darling, I'm suuuuuuuuuure they hate "them"* gays.

(The city/country spectrum has already been covered, and outstate MN can be like outstate anywhere (though overall more progressive)...)

But Brooklyn has no edge on Minneapolis, anyway, in terms of being gay-friendly, Trixie. I suspect if we acknowledge Brooklyn as the whole borough in comparison with Mpls, it's probably the other way around.

trixienyc

CHE wrote:

But Brooklyn has no edge on Minneapolis, anyway, in terms of being gay-friendly, Trixie. I suspect if we acknowledge Brooklyn as the whole borough in comparison with Mpls, it's probably the other way around.

and I said this when? (and not that I'm agreeing/disagree)

che

trixieNYC wrote: and I said this when?

Oh! well, if not, good. It would be nice if I've misinterpreted.

It read to me as if you were adding to the list of ways Minnesota might not be, in comparison with Bkln, the utopia several of us were teasing that it is. And it sounded to me, even through the wink/sarcasm/hyperbole, that you were adding the thought that Minnesotans hate gays. Right? Or at least, I thought, the point that—since I doubt you wanted to suggest that they all do—MN might be a less gay-friendly place than here. Right? Or something along those lines? If that's not what you meant, great!

trixienyc

CHE wrote: [quote=trixieNYC]and I said this when?

Oh! well, if not, good. It would be nice if I've misinterpreted.

It read to me as if you were adding to the list of ways Minnesota might not be, in comparison with Bkln, the utopia several of us were teasing that it is. And it sounded to me, even through the wink/sarcasm/hyperbole, that you were adding the thought that Minnesotans hate gays. Right? Or at least, I thought, the point that—since I doubt you wanted to suggest that they all do—MN might be a less gay-friendly place than here. Right? Or something along those lines? If that's not what you meant, great!

nopers, my point was the contrary....or at least not as detailed as you read into it.....
Livetotarvel said: I hate that they don't hate anything.
so, I, like a good neighbor I had to throw my 2 cents in.
capice?

che

trixieNYC wrote: [capice?

Sure, cool. -- and if I still don't follow what exactly you did mean then, that's OK... I just didn't want to let what sounded like a big misconception go by. Cool. Sorry to waste boardspace on it.

trixienyc

my, y'all are more PMS than I am today I think.

I merely pointed out one thing that I personally knew off the top of my noggin that "they" hate. while this may not stand true for all MN'ians you obviously read deeper into it than I intended. If I had "factual data" that stated "MN'ians hate lard bread" I'd have said "Nuh uh, they hate lard bread"

che

trixieNYC wrote: my, y'all are more PMS than I am today I think.

Hey, I really meant it! I wasn't snarkily saying I was glad I misinterpreted. I was really genuinely saying I was glad! And really, I meant it: "cool!"

(Sign I've spent more time in Mpls than Bkln: lousy at negotiating sincerity/sarcasm.)

whyfi

kosherdave wrote: hahahahah this is soooo true. You should meet Brookfetish's "roommate." You could practically punch her and she would not hate you. She's as Minnesota Nice as they come.

See, I always thought of "Minnesota Nice" as... well, how do I put this?

I guess that I've always seen the phrase as a veiled reference to a passive-aggressive tendency - it's seems, to me, as a Minnesotan, that many Minnesotans have a hard time saying 'no' or even generally showing disapproval. They may want to say 'no,' they may disapprove, but politeness rules in MN...

brookfetish

WhyFi wrote: [quote=kosherdave]hahahahah this is soooo true. You should meet Brookfetish's "roommate." You could practically punch her and she would not hate you. She's as Minnesota Nice as they come.

See, I always thought of "Minnesota Nice" as... well, how do I put this?

I guess that I've always seen the phrase as a veiled reference to a passive-aggressive tendency - it's seems, to me, as a Minnesotan, that many Minnesotans have a hard time saying 'no' or even generally showing disapproval. They may want to say 'no,' they may disapprove, but politeness rules in MN...

I agree - for the most part, Minnesota nice = passive agreesiveness.

apollonia666

BrookFetish wrote: New York has also banned gay marriage.

Not to go too far off-topic, but this isn't really accurate. The state high court did refuse to grant the right to marry to same-sex couples, but that's not the same as a ban. New York doesn't actually have a constitutional or statutory ban (which was a large part of why several legal groups decided to try to sue for the right to marry for same-sex couples in the first place), and folks are now starting to organize to lobby to get the legislature to try to pass a law making it possible.

Sorry to nitpick, but this gay legal/civil rights stuff is what I do for a living.

brookfetish

apollonia666 wrote: [quote=BrookFetish]New York has also banned gay marriage.

Not to go too far off-topic, but this isn't really accurate. The state high court did refuse to grant the right to marry to same-sex couples, but that's not the same as a ban. New York doesn't actually have a constitutional or statutory ban (which was a large part of why several legal groups decided to try to sue for the right to marry for same-sex couples in the first place), and folks are now starting to organize to lobby to get the legislature to try to pass a law making it possible.

Sorry to nitpick, but this gay legal/civil rights stuff is what I do for a living.

No need to be sorry. Clarification is always appreciated in my book.

apollonia666

Cool. If you ever want an in-depth explanation of any of this stuff (like why we try never use the term "gay marriage" or the difference between various types of bans and whatnot) I'm happy to do so at happy hour.

che

BrookFetish wrote: -casserole

Pretty tough to get hot dish in Park Slope. But then again no one has offered me anything involving CoolWhip or Jello since I've been here.

Anyway, I don't think of Minnesota Nice as necessarily being passive aggressive, though it can be—it's minimally just what you get when folks have a trumping sense of obligation to polite and pleasant, alongside the reality that sometimes they think you're a real piece of work. But therein lies the other side of it, that there really is this sense of obligation to be polite and pleasant to strangers.

Brooklyn certainly has friendly, pleasant, polite people. But, sense of obligation to be that way? Not so much.

trixienyc

apollonia666 wrote: [quote=BrookFetish]New York has also banned gay marriage.

Not to go too far off-topic, but this isn't really accurate. The state high court did refuse to grant the right to marry to same-sex couples, but that's not the same as a ban. New York doesn't actually have a constitutional or statutory ban (which was a large part of why several legal groups decided to try to sue for the right to marry for same-sex couples in the first place), and folks are now starting to organize to lobby to get the legislature to try to pass a law making it possible.

Sorry to nitpick, but this gay legal/civil rights stuff is what I do for a living.

Amen. that was much better of an explanation than my "no it isn't"

che

apollonia666 wrote: Cool. If you ever want an in-depth explanation of any of this stuff

Actually that sounds really useful.

carnivore

CHE wrote: Brooklyn certainly has friendly, pleasant, polite people. But, sense of obligation to be that way? Not so much.

OLD JOKE ALERT:
What's the difference between NY and L.A.?
In New York we say "fuck you" when we mean "thank you." In L.A., they say "thank you" when they mean "fuck you."

whyfi

I was wondering how many posts there would be until the topic got split!

apollonia666

CHE wrote: [quote=apollonia666]Cool. If you ever want an in-depth explanation of any of this stuff

Actually that sounds really useful.

Okay, CHE -- I wouldn't even know where to begin in writing about all this stuff (nor would I have the time, honestly) but I promise I'll fill you in at happy hour sometime! And that I'll actually *make* it to happy hour for a change.

kosherdave

Well, Minnesota Nice might mean passive aggressive to some people, but I meant it more like: the people I've met while living in, and growing up around Minnesota, we're really nice. Not that NYC'ers aren't pretty nice themselves (sorry guys, you don't really live up to the stereotype of ass holes, no matter how much you want to think you do --- I find people here pretty damn nice) but in Minnesota, people are genuinely, overly nice. Passive aggressiveness aside. That's what I meant about Brookfetish's "roommate" bing MN Nice, athough she may be passive aggressive to him and I just haven't seen it...

livetotravel

OMG - there is actually a Wikipedia entry for "Minnesota Nice"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_nice

whyfi

Livetotravel wrote: OMG - there is actually a Wikipedia entry for "Minnesota Nice"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_nice

From the Wiki entry -

Minnesotans are fairly aggressive automobile drivers (at least in the major Twin Cities region)

Bull. Most MN drivers would soil themselves if they had to drive on the BQE or FDR. My dad recently took a road trip to PA - he wouldn't come the extra few miles to see his my wife and I because he was afraid of the traffic.

brookfetish

WhyFi wrote: [quote=Livetotravel]OMG - there is actually a Wikipedia entry for "Minnesota Nice"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_nice

From the Wiki entry -

Minnesotans are fairly aggressive automobile drivers (at least in the major Twin Cities region)

Bull. Most MN drivers would soil themselves if they had to drive on the BQE or FDR. My dad recently took a road trip to PA - he wouldn't come the extra few miles to see his my wife and I because he was afraid of the traffic.

I agree. That Wiki entry was probably written by someone from southern MN who had recently moved to Mpls - and it was their first experience in the "big city". If anything, the traffic there is horrible because of the vast number of hesitant drivers clogging the overly used freeways.