Offleash Dog Rules

caaahyoko

Rose wrote:
The suburbs are hell.

Exactly. Besides, its not like people are any more responsible out there. Plenty of dangerous dogs abound. As I've said dozens of times--its bad owners, not dogs in general. GUNS are inherently dangerous, WIZZING SOFTBALLS are inherently dangerous--dogs and humans are not inherently dangerous.

I hate that stupid owning a dog is like owning a loaded gun analogy.

drano

caaahyoko wrote: [quote=Rose]
The suburbs are hell.

Exactly. Besides, its not like people are any more responsible out there. Plenty of dangerous dogs abound. As I've said dozens of times--its bad owners, not dogs in general. GUNS are inherently dangerous, WIZZING SOFTBALLS are inherently dangerous--dogs and humans are not inherently dangerous.

I hate that stupid owning a dog is like owning a loaded gun analogy.

Well, almost anything is more dangerous when combined with a dumbass. Cars, guns, dogs, whatever. I know you can't properly "shoot" a dog at somebody (that old Far Side cartoon notwithstanding), but some people do fail to socialize their animals properly, or worse, train them to be aggressive. If you don't approach strange dogs with caution, you should...guess I'm just saying inherent qualities aside, dogs can be dangerous enough in practice.

anonymous

Just read some of the information:

http://brooklynparks.blogspot.com

ben

ParkAdvocate wrote: Just read some of the information:

http://brooklynparks.blogspot.com

ParkAdvocate: You are bordering on spamming this board now. You have posted basically the same information on multiple threads and multiple boards here. You continue to repost your blog link without adding anything new to the conversations.

If you want to get into a discussion on specific points with people on this board then do so but please don't just spam the link to your blog.

quijibo

Ben wrote: [quote=ParkAdvocate]Just read some of the information:

http://brooklynparks.blogspot.com

ParkAdvocate: You are bordering on spamming this board now. You have posted basically the same information on multiple threads and multiple boards here. You continue to repost your blog link without adding anything new to the conversations.

If you want to get into a discussion on specific points with people on this board then do so but please don't just spam the link to your blog.
this brooklynparks guy is making it real easy to decide FOR banning 'guest' posts

ParkAdvocate: please post something of substance, don't just troll for attention

anonymous

Just read the damn info!

http://brooklynparks.splogbot.com/

carnivore

ParkAdvocate wrote: Just read the damn info!

http://brooklynparks.splogbot.com/

I kind of agree about keeping dogs leashed in public, but the way you keep posting the same link is getting annoying.

whyfi

Carnivore wrote: [quote=ParkAdvocate]Just read the damn info!

http://brooklynparks.splogbot.com/

I kind of agree about keeping dogs leashed in public, but the way you keep posting the same link is getting annoying.
Yeah, man! What's up with that?! Sheesh! :twisted:

quijibo

ParkAdvocate wrote: Just read the damn info!

http://brooklynparks.splogbot.com/

*sigh* :oops:

whyfi

quijibo wrote: [quote=ParkAdvocate]Just read the damn info!

http://brooklynparks.splogbot.com/

*sigh* :oops:
GARRR!!!

livetotravel

I'm asking my city council person and the NYPD to leash and muzzle ParkAdvocate - maybe something like this . . .

anonymous

Subject: Cute Approach

Somebody on this board is really cute. Pretending to be "ParkAdvocate" and annoying the crap out of everyone by posting the same thing over and over!? Trying to get me bounced?

Do you think that I'd actually spell my own blog incorrectly?

You're showing your true colors.

ben

Subject: Re: Cute Approach

ParkAdvocate wrote: Somebody on this board is really cute. Pretending to be "ParkAdvocate" and annoying the crap out of everyone by posting the same thing over and over!? Trying to get me bounced?

Do you think that I'd actually spell my own blog incorrectly?

You're showing your true colors.

Maybe you should register then.

carnivore

S/he's actually right. That last one was from Why-Fi's IP. Sorry ParkAdvocate (although Ben is right, you should register).

Bad Why-Fi!!! [-X [-X [-X

whyfi

Carnivore wrote: S/he's actually right. That last one was from Why-Fi's IP. Sorry ParkAdvocate (although Ben is right, you should register).

Bad Why-Fi!!! [-X [-X [-X

Whoa! What?! ParkAdvocate hacked my PC?! BANHAMMER!!!

carnivore

WhyFi wrote: [quote=Carnivore]S/he's actually right. That last one was from Why-Fi's IP. Sorry ParkAdvocate (although Ben is right, you should register).

Bad Why-Fi!!! [-X [-X [-X

Whoa! What?! ParkAdvocate hacked my PC?! BANHAMMER!!!
:-k [-( :^o

whyfi

Carnivore wrote: [quote=WhyFi][quote=Carnivore]S/he's actually right. That last one was from Why-Fi's IP. Sorry ParkAdvocate (although Ben is right, you should register).

Bad Why-Fi!!! [-X [-X [-X

Whoa! What?! ParkAdvocate hacked my PC?! BANHAMMER!!!
:-k [-( :^o
#-o

caaahyoko

Drano wrote:
Well, almost anything is more dangerous when combined with a dumbass. Cars, guns, dogs, whatever. I know you can't properly "shoot" a dog at somebody (that old Far Side cartoon notwithstanding), but some people do fail to socialize their animals properly, or worse, train them to be aggressive. If you don't approach strange dogs with caution, you should...guess I'm just saying inherent qualities aside, dogs can be dangerous enough in practice.

Pessimist :P

Well, that's true...I do approach strange humans with caution.

livetotravel

Carnivore wrote: S/he's actually right. That last one was from Why-Fi's IP. Sorry ParkAdvocate (although Ben is right, you should register).

Bad Why-Fi!!! [-X [-X [-X

Very bad form ole chap. #-o [-X :-$ =D>

carnivore

Everyone give it up for dailyheights for adding the new emoticons! They're so expressive!

We barely have to talk anymore. Now if only I could use emoticons in real life...

quijibo

=D>

carnivore

quijibo wrote: =D>

That clapping emoticon kind of reminds me of Judd Nelson in The Breakfast Club!

quijibo

Carnivore wrote: [quote=quijibo]=D>

That clapping emoticon kind of reminds me of Judd Nelson in The Breakfast Club!
i HATE judd nelson. he's a prick. he owes me $20

pitu

Drano wrote: [quote=sweet tea]wait, hell is just lots of dogs?

what a relief! and here i'd been worrying....

Just one, but I hear it's got a few heads...





ha. this is from a groovy LA tshirt company called Threadless

anonymous

Subject: NYCoffleash.com

www.nycoffleash.com

Learn about the lawsuit that threatens the sucessful 20 year policy of dog Offleash Hours in NYC Parks.

Sign the petition to continue Offleash Hours: www.nycoffleash.com

Ben: No need to apologize to the "Advocate." He's a lackey/proxy boy for the Juniper Park Civic Association, which sends him their press releases and private emails for dissemination on his blog (if one can call it that, since there's no way to post or even to communicate with the author).

The JPCA want to make it seem like the Advocate is some sort of "voice of the people."

ben

Just an update, the final ruling was made on off leash rules last week and the judge ruled in favor of the dogs.

http://www.gothamist.com/archives/2006/12/01/judge_says_dogs.php

shishkab

Ben wrote: Just an update, the final ruling was made on off leash rules last week and the judge ruled in favor of the dogs.

not quite final, though it seems we're near the end of this battle. today, the Dept of Health is voting on the issue. also, the Parks Dept needs to ratify their regulations as well. i'm simplifying my message here just cuz i'm in a rush, but the point is that the judge's ruling was a WONDERFUL thing... but the law has not changed yet. he just ruled that the Parks Commish has the right to make the rules for NYC's parks.

friendlypitbull

and may the Juniper Park Civic Association rot in the NIMBY hell they wish for us all.
Seriously a horrible organization that not only is against dogs but was effective in quashing a cross-harbor tunnel that could have helped ease our cities reliance on truck transport to the detriment of all of us.

ben

shishkab wrote: [quote=Ben]Just an update, the final ruling was made on off leash rules last week and the judge ruled in favor of the dogs.

not quite final, though it seems we're near the end of this battle. today, the Dept of Health is voting on the issue. also, the Parks Dept needs to ratify their regulations as well. i'm simplifying my message here just cuz i'm in a rush, but the point is that the judge's ruling was a WONDERFUL thing... but the law has not changed yet. he just ruled that the Parks Commish has the right to make the rules for NYC's parks.

Yes, thanks for the clarification. I poked around a bit more after posting and saw that some work is still to be done but this ruling is definitely a great thing.

username: *

Drano wrote: I don't have a stake in this - I don't currently own a dog but they don't bother me - but I'd like to suggest that "If you don't like it, move" has probably never added anything to any debate or discussion, and I've seen it brought up in quite a few.

Bottom line is that there isn't anything wrong with using legal means to change things right where you are, and there isn't anything wrong with people using legal means to try to stop you. The "right" side ain't always gonna win, but that's the way it goes - if you don't like it, move.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

By thunder, I wish I had written this.

...Disclaimer (one in a series): I have two dogs and, since moving here last winter, am losing sympathy for the doggist (antidog) point of view. Is the menace of unleashed dogs in Prospect Park really any greater than that of the occasional free-ranging teenagers, screeching children, beligerrent drunks or the random impromptu sporting event? :?

And statistics about dog bites are usually B.S. anyway. Considering unlicensed pets, varying breed populations and who's providing the numbers, I don't think you can reasonably say one breed is dramatically more dangerous than another. Dogs are more like people than doggists would like to admit.

And. Dog control is about more than a stupid leash law. I once got a ticket from a guy in a Parks Department SUV because I took my dog off her leash so I could adjust her collar and tags. She never was out of arm's reach (she was just sitting there), but it took me several minutes to straighten her collar out. $100 fine, but whatever. ...I'll do my part, use my leash and clean up; and the rest of you can at least simmer your rage down to a roiling boil. :roll: