Yankees Pitching Rotation Predictions

leeho

I'm guessing it's gonna be:

Pettite
Wang
Mussina
Pavano
Igawa

Any ideas?

I can't wait for baseball to start again. I absolutely hate football.

BTW, I can talk Mets too, but am focusing on the Yanks in this post. Anyone?

michaelkeys

LeeHo wrote: I'm guessing it's gonna be:

Pettite
Wang
Mussina
Pavano
Igawa

Any ideas?

I can't wait for baseball to start again. I absolutely hate football.

BTW, I can talk Mets too, but am focusing on the Yanks in this post. Anyone?

Looks like you and I both have an open calendar this Sunday, huh?
What about that new NYY prospect that was supposed to be a reliever but is now a starter (his name escapes me now)? Pavano is a HUGE question mark and Igawa needs to prove himself. I'm also afraid of Pettite pullling "a Randy Johnson" and turning out to be a major disappointment.

Leaving the pitching roster aside for a minute, is Guidry coming back? How 'bout Bernie? (Cairo just re-signed this week, btw.)

kaiserkai

Phillip Hughes. He is one of the most heralded prospects in the country, and the cream of the crop in the Yankees farm.
I dont think they will rush him, but I wouldnt be surprised to see him in the Bronx for a few starts this summer.

I think Wang will go as #1, then its a toss-up between Mussina and Pettite.
Pavan0 #4 and then Igawa

I dont have much faith in Pavano, but hopefully his pride to show up at last is getting the better of him.

Igawa will be solid.

All in all, I think they need another starter, Clemens would be great to have back.

Season Tickets holder by the way, I am with you that Football is boring.

whyfi

I don't know about this year, but, as a Twins fan, I get the sinking feeling that the Yanks #1 pitcher in 2 or 3 years will be Johan Santana...

quijibo

with pettite joining the yankees -- here is my predicted 2007 pitching lineup

1. Ron Guidry
2. Louis Tiant
3. Catfish Hunter
4. Sparky Lyle
5. Andy Pettite

--with Goose Gossage coming out of the bullpen....

kaiserkai

No love for Whitey?

whyfi

RACIALISM!!!

stacey

Subject: Re: Yankees Pitching Rotation Predictions

LeeHo wrote: I'm guessing it's gonna be:

Pettite
Wang
Mussina
Pavano
Igawa

Any ideas?

I agree with your list with one exception:

If the season starts on the road they will start with Wang then Pettite, etc.
If it starts at home then I think it will be Pettite then Wang, etc.

michaelkeys

kaiserkai wrote: Phillip Hughes. He is one of the most heralded prospects in the country, and the cream of the crop in the Yankees farm.
I dont think they will rush him, but I wouldnt be surprised to see him in the Bronx for a few starts this summer.

Yeah, I'm aware of Hughes. The guy I'm referring to is Hispanic; Dominican or Venezuelan, I think.
And I agree, Hughes WILL throw a game or two in the Bronx this year. Absolutely.

WhyFi wrote: I don't know about this year, but, as a Twins fan, I get the sinking feeling that the Yanks #1 pitcher in 2 or 3 years will be Johan Santana...

Isn't there some sort of reason why that hasn't happened yet. Seriously.
I guess probably because the Twins want something BIG for Mr. S which they are certainly entitled to.

Btw, 2006: Lamest. Post-season. Ever.
After the Yankees petered out your boys let me down, WF; meanwhile the A's turned to crap and the Mets...well, the Mets--after an incredible season--reverted to being the Mets and breaking hearts like no woman ever will. And don't get me started on that sleeping pill known as the 2006 WS. This is the first year where ALL my predictions turned to dung. (Fwiw, my 2006 WS prediction was 1973 all over again: Mets vs A's, with a different outcome this time.)

carnivore

LET'S GO METS!!!! =D> =D> =D>

whyfi

MichaelKeys wrote: [quote=WhyFi]I don't know about this year, but, as a Twins fan, I get the sinking feeling that the Yanks #1 pitcher in 2 or 3 years will be Johan Santana...

Isn't there some sort of reason why that hasn't happened yet. Seriously.
I guess probably because the Twins want something BIG for Mr. S which they are certainly entitled to.
Well, he's the best pitcher in baseball over the last 4 or 5 seasons... they want to keep him, but it's would be out of character for the ownership to suddenly open their deep pockets and spend... Either they'll trade him within the year or extend his contract within the year. If he's allowed to go the route of free agency, I don't think that it's realistic that they (the Twinkies) will match the other offers.

quijibo

Carnivore wrote: LET'S GO METS!!!! =D> =D> =D>

i grew up with mets fans :oops: my sympathies

michaelkeys

Carnivore wrote: LET'S GO METS!!!! =D> =D> =D>

Didn't figure you for a Met fan, Carny.
I'm a reformed Met fan, so I feel your pain.

babyfishmouth

Mussina, Pettitte, Wang, Pavano, Igawa

michaelkeys

babyfishmouth wrote: Mussina, Pettitte, Wang, Pavano, Igawa

Mussina, first? Nah. Sorry, but I gotta go w/LeeHo's rotation. Interesting choice, though...

leeho

Thank you, Mr. Keys. So nice to get to baseball.

Here is what I'm thinking. Opening day is at Yankees stadium, as are their first 5-6 games. I think for sentamentalism they'll put Pettite at the front for the first few games. If he doesn't pan out than Wang will move into that spot. It's a weird rotation. I'll agree there and there is no 100% sure thing, but I thnk that Andy, when he's around his boys again (sadly, and very sadly without Bernie) he'll come through in ways that we haven't seen in a while. Cap down, head to the ground and Jorge behind the plate is enough to make most batters quiver. I'm psyched about the reunion and think it'll pay off.

Anyway, season/plan owners, we should get in touch to trade for games we can't make. I got 20 this season and I already see 2 I can't make.....Anyone else? Seriously, let's pm and try to trade games.

Me: Upper deck Section 1 or 2 depending on the game.

kaiserkai

Always up for a trade of tix.
Full season plan, Tier Reserved, 10D 1&2

Keys, I think you referrring to Humberto Sanchez.
He, too is a solid prospect who will see some time in the bigs this year if there is an injury or 2.

I dunno, I see wang as the #1 all season long. Moose will be solid as always, Andy will give us innings not sure if hell be great but he'll eat innings.

leeho

I have nice seats. Sat. Tier Sect. 2 row M Aisle 22/23???

Weekday Tier 1 Row L 1/2

leeho

Shit, I hope Wang can pull of what he did last year. There is all of this talk about his low SO% and I hate that shit. His sinker is the best we've seen in a lifetime. Amazing. I saw his 1st game on a cold, shitty rainy day versus Toronto. Nobody could even fly anything out past 1st.

babyfishmouth

i just figured that wang, despite leading the staff in wins last year, probably still hasn't quite earned the ace spot, at least in the minds of yankee leadership. i don't claim to know how they compute those things, but in any case i also agree that he (wang) has a decent chance of eventually becoming the de facto ace. and as for putting mussina at the top, most of my thinking had to do with ceremonial, how to open the season kind of reasoning. i love that pettitte is back and all, but i don't think it's fair to automatically slot him ahead of moose. but as i said, i think it presents as a pretty fluid rotation and the top 3 are sort of a toss-up.

what if they just dumped pavano now and create a spot for bernie that way? that's a half joke, but pavano has a lot to make up for as it is, forget about we're about to let bernie williams go.

michaelkeys

LeeHo wrote: Thank you, Mr. Keys. So nice to get to baseball.

Yes, indeed.

kaiserkai wrote: Keys, I think you referrring to Humberto Sanchez.
He, too is a solid prospect who will see some time in the bigs this year if there is an injury or 2.

Yes! That's the one.
I definitely think both he and Hughes will make appearances this year just so the powers that be can see what they're made of.

LeeHo wrote: Here is what I'm thinking. Opening day is at Yankees stadium, as are their first 5-6 games. I think for sentamentalism they'll put Pettite at the front for the first few games. If he doesn't pan out than Wang will move into that spot.

Hadn't thought of the switch but it makes perfect sense under those circumstances.

LeeHo wrote: ...Andy, when he's around his boys again (sadly, and very sadly without Bernie) he'll come through in ways that we haven't seen in a while.

WHAT?! Is the Bernie thing already decided? I thought Cashman and co. were mulling it over. Bernie's agent said that Mr. W had offers from other teams but that he was waiting to make a decision if/when the Yanks decided to go without him.

LeeHo wrote: Anyway, season/plan owners, we should get in touch to trade for games we can't make. I got 20 this season and I already see 2 I can't make.....Anyone else? Seriously, let's pm and try to trade games.

I get decent NYY tickets from a SH at work who obviously can't go to all of 'em. I'll find out if he got 'em this year and where they are. Maybe we're sitting close by.

leeho

Ah, Bernie. Even if the Pafucko slot opened, there'd still be no room for Bernie. This is really painful for me as he is and has always been my favorite all-time Yank. He had those crazy glasses, etc.

I'm sad to see him go.

michaelkeys

LeeHo wrote: Shit, I hope Wang can pull of what he did last year. There is all of this talk about his low SO% and I hate that shit. His sinker is the best we've seen in a lifetime. Amazing. I saw his 1st game on a cold, shitty rainy day versus Toronto. Nobody could even fly anything out past 1st.

I saw that game he pitched against the A's and Zito at the Stadium early in the season. Both were brilliant but in the end he won 2-0 on two solo homers by A-Rod and...Bernie. What a game.

michaelkeys

babyfishmouth wrote: i just figured that wang, despite leading the staff in wins last year, probably still hasn't quite earned the ace spot, at least in the minds of yankee leadership. i don't claim to know how they compute those things, but in any case i also agree that he (wang) has a decent chance of eventually becoming the de facto ace. and as for putting mussina at the top, most of my thinking had to do with ceremonial, how to open the season kind of reasoning. i love that pettitte is back and all, but i don't think it's fair to automatically slot him ahead of moose. but as i said, i think it presents as a pretty fluid rotation and the top 3 are sort of a toss-up.

Stop! All these interesting scenarios are making my head hurt.

babyfishmouth wrote: what if they just dumped pavano now and create a spot for bernie that way? that's a half joke, but pavano has a lot to make up for as it is, forget about we're about to let bernie williams go.

That may be a half a joke, BFM but fwiw I'm inclined to take you seriously on this one. Dump his ass, now!
If the season starts without a decision regarding Bernie how much do you wanna bet there's gonna be "One More Year" banners flying high at the Stadium?

michaelkeys

BERNIE'S BACK! (Sort of.)
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070131&content_id=1790874&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy

kaiserkai

I am willing to give Pavano one last chance, they are stuck with the contract anyway and he is still young enough to turn it around if he can stay healthy over the season (which is a BIG if).
I liked all the off season moves, they should have dumped A-Rod as well, he (excuse my language) is a pompous twat.
I never liked the deal in the first place. Get a solid 3rd baseman like Brosius was that gives a a good glove and something around .280/20/85 and invest the rest of the salary in a starter.
But I guess we're stuck with A-Rod just as well, even though I guess if hell fail again he will leave on his own terms as he has a "parachute" clause in his contract that he can option after the '07 season.

michaelkeys

kaiserkai wrote: A-Rod...(excuse my language) is a pompous twat.

Perhaps. But he's not a petty, vindictive, little bitch like Jeter.

Remember when everyone was calling for Jeter to back A-Rod up when the fans were booing him and #13 was going through a very rough patch? (For the record, I think booing your own players is incredibly tacky and lame.) Jeter remarked something along the lines of "fans' prerogative" etc? I thought, "OK, that's not very Captain-like but hey, that's how it goes." And then it was pointed out to me how he came to Giambi's defense during his steriod debacle. So, why Jason and not Alex? Because Mr. Sourpuss still resents the purportedly negative comments A-Rod made in SI about Jeter a few years ago. And even though A-Rod has since apologized to him, Jeter won't let it go. He didn't want A-Rod here to begin with, stealing his spotlight. (Did you see his reaction when the NYY signed A-Rod? Almost like he'd tasted rancid milk.) And last season when A-Rod, the team, the fans needed him to step up and be there for #13, he only thought of himself and his bruised ego and made A-Rod pay for his prior transgression. That's why he'll always be a petty, vindictive, little bitch in my book.

Btw, A-Rod beat Joe Mauer in EVERY SINGLE statistical category last season and still lost the Silver Slugger award to him. Hmm...

(Sorry for the rant...)

kaiserkai

I cant stand A-Rond but I agree with what you say.
Jeter, as a Captain, has to stand up for his guys, if he likes them or not.

I do like Jeter, not to the extend to putting him on a podestal but he plays hard day in day out and never blames others for losing.
Same can be said for A-Rod, but he comes of to "teflon" like in interviews, theres always some edge to it that makes you think he just says that for the cameras.

kaiserkai

By the way i highly recommend reading this

Its a fantastic book and gives you a lot of insight into the players.

michaelkeys

kaiserkai wrote: I cant stand A-Rond but I agree with what you say.
Jeter, as a Captain, has to stand up for his guys, if he likes them or not.

I do like Jeter, not to the extend to putting him on a podestal but he plays hard day in day out and never blames others for losing.
Same can be said for A-Rod, but he comes of to "teflon" like in interviews, theres always some edge to it that makes you think he just says that for the cameras.

I can see that. But honestly, have you ever heard any profound baseball utterings out of ANY of these guys? Nah. It's always the "110%, play to win, lotta heart, the better team" ad nauseam. So, yeah, A-Rod comes off rehearsed; Jeter sounds perennially annoyed; Torre's got the wealth of timely cliches ready to be served up, etc etc etc.

Not to drastically change the subject but has anyone seriously contemplated the upcoming end to Mo's undoubtedly glorious run? I think we may have seen signs of the begininng of #42's decline this past season. Any thoughts?

michaelkeys

kaiserkai wrote: By the way i highly recommend reading this

Its a fantastic book and gives you a lot of insight into the players.

I'd heard of it but thanks for the heads up. I just read the first couple of pages on Amazon and I'm definitely getting it. Cheers!