Girl gangs attacking women

dakotas way

Has anyone seen the posts from Prospect Heights regarding women being attacked from behind by girls? Last Tuesday a woman was hit from behind in the head as she walked home at 10PM by a 12-13 year old girl. When she yelled & fought back the girl was shocked and so her 6 boy friends jumped in to attack, showing what the woman thought were 2 silver toy pistols. She yelled again and ran to people across the street to safety. She reported it to the police.

Now there's a post of another attack on Saturday at 4PM, in daylight, on St John's between Washington and Classon in front of the firehouse. The woman didn't see what she was hit with, but saw four 18-20 year olds running away through the yards. A black woman across the street commented to her that there was no reason for them to do that to her. I don't know if she called the police, but I hope she did so they know this is happening.
So what does this mean?
Initiations for gangs in progress??? Just plain fun?
Is there a history of this or something new?
I'm not being an alarmist, but women need to know things like this are going on for their own safety.

oiseau

Ghetto kids.

Gentrification brings about two things:

1. Hopefully better bred people.
2. Resentment from Ghetto kids.

shishkab

Subject: Re: Girl gangs attacking women

dakotas way wrote: I'm not being an alarmist

this post is practically a definition of alarmism. if it wasn't, why post it on another board?

anonymous

When your daughter moved into this hood (which i dont buy, I think its you who moved here buying into the hype) what did you expect. It has high crime. Are you suprised by these acts? It's warming up and it will only get worse. If you look at the amount of board members who have been victims of crime, you cant help but to assume gentrification is the culprit. And yes it is racial. To mostly uneducated black youth white=wealthy, and you will continue to get targeted until something is done.

But that will never happen, the cops will encourage you NOT to file a police report to keep crime stats down. You don't want to throw the wrench in the gentrification of brooklyn, now would you? ...... But hey, Beyonce just bought a place at OPP and brownstones are still over a million dollars in the ghetto, white people getting knocked upside the head at 4pm broad daylight.... yeah.... keep drinking the kool-aid its nice and RED!

dakotas way

Hey. You don't want to know what's happening in your neighborhood...that's your business.
And yes, it IS my daughter who lives there. And when she moved in the super told her it was Prospect Heights, not that it matters. And she loves her neighborhood and isn't moving.
But to not share something as random as the acts these girls are doing would be wrong.
You wouldn't want it to be you, or your sister or mother, would you?
And this is happening in areas of close proximity so who says these kids are only going to totally listen to neighborhoods or lines.
Would you rather not know? Cause I'd prefer if someone told me there were things to be careful of happening where I lived.

jesed

GentrifyThis wrote: When your daughter moved into this hood (which i dont buy, I think its you who moved here buying into the hype) what did you expect. It has high crime. Are you suprised by these acts? It's warming up and it will only get worse. If you look at the amount of board members who have been victims of crime, you cant help but to assume gentrification is the culprit. And yes it is racial. To mostly uneducated black youth white=wealthy, and you will continue to get targeted until something is done.

But that will never happen, the cops will encourage you NOT to file a police report to keep crime stats down. You don't want to throw the wrench in the gentrification of brooklyn, now would you? ...... But hey, Beyonce just bought a place at OPP and brownstones are still over a million dollars in the ghetto, white people getting knocked upside the head at 4pm broad daylight.... yeah.... keep drinking the kool-aid its nice and RED!

All this doesn't mean it should be accepted by the community.

anonymous

jesed wrote: [quote=GentrifyThis]When your daughter moved into this hood (which i dont buy, I think its you who moved here buying into the hype) what did you expect. It has high crime. Are you suprised by these acts? It's warming up and it will only get worse. If you look at the amount of board members who have been victims of crime, you cant help but to assume gentrification is the culprit. And yes it is racial. To mostly uneducated black youth white=wealthy, and you will continue to get targeted until something is done.

But that will never happen, the cops will encourage you NOT to file a police report to keep crime stats down. You don't want to throw the wrench in the gentrification of brooklyn, now would you? ...... But hey, Beyonce just bought a place at OPP and brownstones are still over a million dollars in the ghetto, white people getting knocked upside the head at 4pm broad daylight.... yeah.... keep drinking the kool-aid its nice and RED!

All this doesn't mean it should be accepted by the community.I didn't say it should be accepted. You also have to realize when you have lived like this for years (like most old-time residents), nothing phases you anymore. hence reaction from most neighbors. Im sure only a handfull remember the late 80s and 90s, when shit like this happened several times a day. Just because you (wealthier / white) moved here, it's all of a sudden supposed to be safe?

There are deep-rooted socioeconomic issues in the hood that have yet to be addressed. I've said it before and will say it again, Untill those issues are atleast tackled, on and off this board It will continue to happen. These kids don't have jobs, fathers (most in jail), mothers who work 2 or 3 jobs sadly with no time to focus keeping tabs on the kids. Imagine what the single mothers go thru, with more than one teenager. no one wants to talk about THESE issues that directly have an influence on crime.

It amazes me how people can spend millions of dollars on a brownstone in a neighborhood they wouldnt have considered 7 years ago, and how white guilt wont let them talk about the issues they've had a hand in creating and advancing.

capt. planet

GentrifyThis wrote: When your daughter moved into this hood (which i dont buy, I think its you who moved here buying into the hype) what did you expect. It has high crime. Are you suprised by these acts? It's warming up and it will only get worse. If you look at the amount of board members who have been victims of crime, you cant help but to assume gentrification is the culprit. And yes it is racial. To mostly uneducated black youth white=wealthy, and you will continue to get targeted until something is done.

But that will never happen, the cops will encourage you NOT to file a police report to keep crime stats down. You don't want to throw the wrench in the gentrification of brooklyn, now would you? ...... But hey, Beyonce just bought a place at OPP and brownstones are still over a million dollars in the ghetto, white people getting knocked upside the head at 4pm broad daylight.... yeah.... keep drinking the kool-aid its nice and RED!

I don't know if you've noticed what's been going on at the 77th Pct, but there has been a complete change at the top. The former commander who had been there for years was replaced, as was his deputy. They brought in a guy who had been over at Fort Greene, an area that has just gone through a period of rapid gentrification. They also replaced the community affairs officer, who also had been here for years.

Is someone at the top trying to send a message? Does someone up there think that what happened in Fort Greene is about to happen to Crown Heights/Prospect Heights? It certainly looks that way to me.

leeho

Greg, that is actually really interesting. When did the staff shuffle occur?

anonymous

Hey. You don't want to know what's happening in your neighborhood...that's your business.

When I want to know what's going on in my neighborhood, I'll talk to people who actually live there—a group that would not, need I point out, include YOU. In fact, both of the incidents you reference in your OP had ALREADY been reported on these boards by the actual neighborhood residents to whom the shit happened. Why did you feel need to start another thread about this stuff?

Some questions:
Do you really not "get" that it's obnoxious to be constantly sounding an alarm about the problems of a neighborhood you don't live in and never have lived in? Do you not understand that unless you've lived here, you don't know what it's like to live here (duh) and you really don't have a handle on what the local problems are or how they should be addressed? Do you not have any problems in your own community that you could go harp on somewhere else? Could you not consider taking up a hobby that's less annoying than your current avocation of lecturing Brooklynites about the neighborhoods where they live and you don't?

Your poor daughter must find you extremely embarrassing.

jesed

Guest - you're really not helping the situation.

I'll speak for myself and I live in this neighborhood - when you're attacked by 12 and 13 year olds - it's important that it is discussed as we're doing now. If it's old news to you, that's fine - but it does not sit well with me so I'm going to deal with it in my own way. And I understand everything in which you commented on prior to your last post and agree with you - but some of us are going through this for the first time and the situation is not OK.

And for the record, I do not expect a neighborhood to become safe after I move into it because I'm white - I just don't expect tweens running around trying to beat the shit out of people...anywhere.

anonymous

Dakotasway seems to be a newbie to the neighborhood who doesnt want to admit that she lives there, so she puts her "daughter" up as a front. I've seen her comment on stuff that happens here as if she witnessed it first hand. I find it hard to believe her "daughter" is calling her up every day to tell her that there was a shooting at exactly 9:40pm and what direction the shots came from,. There isn't anyother reason to cause alarm as guest pointed out these incidents were reported on other boards by the original victims. So WTF?

*yawn*

dakotas way

If I chose to live there, I would tell you.
And if you read the boards you would see that the person who heard the shooting posted the time and they were on other threads, all I did was put them together.
So WTF is your problem???
What an angry person person you are.
And you know what? When my daughter moved in, then the crime became a concern of mine. I'll guess that Gentrify This and the guest don't have kids. Cause if you did and you saw stuff like this happening, you'd be concerned and if you didn't than shame on you.
Her super told her when she signed the lease that there wasn't much crime, it's safe and it's not at all like the 80's, but I've seen your neighbors ask the question if it's slipping back to those days.
And harp?? Ouch that really hurt.....
YAWN

shishkab

i guess the issue i have is:

the shots fired happened in another neighborhood, yes? and yet you feel compelled to bring it to this one. the reason is blatantly transparent -- your daughter moved to Crown Heights and you are clearly unhappy about it. but rather than continue the discussion about the shots in the appropriate forum, you chose instead to badger the folks on the CH forum instead. so who exactly the angry person, and why do you persist in bringing discord here?

dakotas way

NO, the shots were fired right near her apartment on Thursday night.Go look at the site from Friday morning.
Forget it. I don't care if she lives in Crown Heights, it's her choice just like it's your choice.
I thought I was helping any women to who may not have seen the posts about the girls hitting women from behind. But if this is what happens when women try to help other women to be safer, then so be it.
How is that badgering and bringing in discord????????
I can't guess anyone would be happy about the events that occured.
Good luck in the neighborhood

shishkab

And good luck in yours. We'll be just fine, thanks.

em26

anonymous

Oiseau wrote: Ghetto kids.

Gentrification brings about two things:

1. Hopefully better bred people.
2. Resentment from Ghetto kids.

When you say GHETTO KIDS are you referring to the kids that are originally from the neighborhood? What makes them ghetto? Is it because they are black? I'm trying to understand you.

pitu

Anonymous wrote:

Hey. You don't want to know what's happening in your neighborhood...that's your business.

When I want to know what's going on in my neighborhood, I'll talk to people who actually live there—a group that would not, need I point out, include YOU. In fact, both of the incidents you reference in your OP had ALREADY been reported on these boards by the actual neighborhood residents to whom the shit happened. Why did you feel need to start another thread about this stuff?

Some questions:
Do you really not "get" that it's obnoxious to be constantly sounding an alarm about the problems of a neighborhood you don't live in and never have lived in? Do you not understand that unless you've lived here, you don't know what it's like to live here (duh) and you really don't have a handle on what the local problems are or how they should be addressed? Do you not have any problems in your own community that you could go harp on somewhere else? Could you not consider taking up a hobby that's less annoying than your current avocation of lecturing Brooklynites about the neighborhoods where they live and you don't?

Given the OP's history of alarm from afar run wild on these boards, I think Guest's (and Shishkab's) points are entirely valid.
dakota, you're not helping here.

jack krohn

Don't worry, dakota, not everyone here thinks that you're an alarmist. I find your points very relevant and not at all extreme. It still confuses me that so many on this board bend over backwards to minimize or deny criminal acts. I guess that violence is part of "urban chic".

Anyway, please keep posting. I, for one, agree with what you're saying. Ignore those who insist that you're somehow crazy for being concerned about assaults in our neighborhood. Remember, you're dealing with people who watch people break into cars and then try to scare off the perpetrator with a "super soaker". Then they insist that the police are lazy and don't do their job. Go figure.

pitu

Jack Krohn wrote: Don't worry, dakota, not everyone here thinks that you're an alarmist. I find your points very relevant and not at all extreme. It still confuses me that so many on this board bend over backwards to minimize or deny criminal acts. I guess that violence is part of "urban chic".

Anyway, please keep posting. I, for one, agree with what you're saying. Ignore those who insist that you're somehow crazy for being concerned about assaults in our neighborhood. Remember, you're dealing with people who watch people break into cars and then try to scare off the perpetrator with a "super soaker". Then they insist that the police are lazy and don't do their job. Go figure.

Jack, just so we're clear . . . dakota has told us that she is not part of our neighborhood, and is posting from out of state, based on what she reads on these boards. You know perfectly well that this board has plenty of residents that are committed to their community, and not foolish about crime.

whyfi

Just puttin' in my 2 cents - DW, I can understand your concern for your daughter, but you are, IMO, being a bit of an alarmist. It's only made worse by the fact that you're NOT a part of our community. The two assaults that you mention are really unfortunate, but not reason to be any more vigilant than usual. Also, a statement like "it's getting closer to where my family member lives," is totally overblown - two reported instances do not make a pattern, let alone a predictable one.

leeho

....What Why-Fi said! Very nicely put WF.

anonymous

Subject: not every whitey living in crown heights owns a brownstone

I had posted the story on the P. Heights board because I am the woman who was smashed in the head this past Saturday afternoon. So.. for the record, I don't own a brownstone. I can barely afford the rundown shithole studio I live in. I didn't just move to the neighborhood--been around for 5 years or so, though that doesn't make me a longtimer by any means. And I am under no illusions about the safety of the neighborhood, nor am I unaware of crime stats which show that most violence in cities is minority on minority. When I first moved here (because it was what I could afford, which is why most people are here), I was often anxious about being harassed or assaulted because I am not black--but that mostly proved not to be the case. There are guys who deal drugs on my corner who are nice as pie to me.

I imagine I have the same fears about personal safety and feelings that most people in the neighborhood do.

Still, there's no reason why I shouldn't tell my tale of random street violence. I do think these girls chose me as a target because I am not black. And I had only recently been harassed by another group of teens on the corner of St. John's and Washington because of my race. Because this hasn't happened much before and because of all the new buildings and rapid changes happening, I thought it might be a reaction to the rapid gentrification of the area. Could just be coincidence. An unlucky bunch of days. But so soon after the brutal assault on Mohammed at the St. John's and Washington bodega--I felt a little on edge and compelled to speak about it.

sweet tea

Flo, thank you for telling us about what happened to you. it's awful that it happened, and i'm grateful for the warning. please do not mistake resistance to this thread for resistance to your original decision to post.

pitu

Subject: Re: not every whitey living in crown heights owns a brownsto

Flo2 wrote:
. . . there's no reason why I shouldn't tell my tale of random street violence. I do think these girls chose me as a target because I am not black. And I had only recently been harassed by another group of teens on the corner of St. John's and Washington because of my race. Because this hasn't happened much before and because of all the new buildings and rapid changes happening, I thought it might be a reaction to the rapid gentrification of the area. Could just be coincidence. An unlucky bunch of days. But so soon after the brutal assault on Mohammed at the St. John's and Washington bodega--I felt a little on edge and compelled to speak about it.

Like Sweet Tea said...

I really appreciate your taking the time to tell your story - with all it's nuances - on these boards. I'm sorry it happened.

shishkab

i absolutely, positively agree with sweet tea, Flo2! what happened to you was frightening and dangerous, and it's deeply disturbing. i know i speak for many here on Brooklynian when i say that i'm grateful you chose to share your story with us. it takes a certain amount of bravery to speak up in an open forum, and you seem to have that trait by the bucketload.

however, as sweet tea pointed out so well (so well in fact, that i will merely quote), "please do not mistake resistance to this thread for resistance to your original decision to post."

i was lashing out at fearmongering, and you were not the perpertrator.

whyfi

LeeHo wrote: ....What Why-Fi said! Very nicely put WF.

You'll have to retract your statement - I don't think that we're allowed to agree on the boards, my friend.

breatheeasy

Ok,
All I'm wondering is, whether we think Dakota's Way is being an "alarmist" or not (which, I don't -- go ahead, worry about your daughters safety, that is what you are supposed to do as a mother!! And thanks for trying to look out for women, everywhere, that's what we're supposed to do as well, in my opinion, is stick together -- it's pretty rare though), I'm still confused about why there is this constant need to rip people's posts to shreds. I mean, I guess I should get off the internet, cause i see it in all forums... but I just don't get it -- if you disagree, why not just leave the post alone and keep it moving? What's with all the self-righteous, not believing people are who they say they are and calling people this and that and blah blah
Sorry to go on a little rant but... damn
All I do is read these forums and I usually want to comment and provide input on a lot of different topics, but by the time I get done reading all the banter and bickering, I give up

And furthermore, it just seems like the same disagreements over and over and over. If I open a post in the CH forum, I am just going to assume that whatever the original topic was, be it fried chicken or the weather, it will end in an argument about gentrification and "alarmists" and crime and etc etc etc ahh it gives me a headache
why can't we all just get along ??? : ) : )

thanks for the post dakotas way, i don't check the PH board that often but it is right next to where i live, so it's good to know i suppose.

again, i hope no one takes MY rant the wrong way, but it's late, hot, and i'm tired as hell, and i just get annoyed at all the attacking posts. but again, maybe that's my fault, cause i guess that's the internet for ya.

dakotas way

Thank you
Be safe

anonymous

Why shouldn't kids(minors) be held accoutable for their actions if they assault someone? If nobody teaches them that violence is a serious offense how are they going to grow up? Doesn't anyone care? Some of you seems to just ho-hum the issue and the problem never goes away. Obviously that kind of attitude isn't working. Why does our cities public service system not have a minor division with clout? What about all the victims of violent crimes and what about how it effects them forever? Shouldn't that matter more than a community being affraid to confront a child or group of kids? If the kids are doing it because they are minors and they know nothing will happen to them then they are taking advantage of a failed system. Why is this OK? Is it really all about the price of realestate? Is it all a conspiracy? We are ALL paying taxes for a failed system. OK,... and discuss.......