Election 2008: So is Hillary Clinton finished?

boygabriel

alafairnadia wrote: er. and how much hawking of obama has clinton been doing lately? I'd love to know if those numbers would be the same if she weren't supporting him.

Do you think hispanics would be voting McCain, or not voting, in sigificant numbers? I don't.

I think Democrats, regardless of candidate, have a monopoly on the hispanic vote (broadly speaking that is, obviously there are hispanic voters/communities of all types).

Did Hillary have more support among hispanics? Yes.

Is Barack, in turn, going to miss out on a significant number of Hispanic votes? I don't see it.

alafairnadia

well. the point is that the hispanic vote was questionable. cubans, for instance, traditionally vote republican - long memory of "betrayal". but they were going to vote clinton. their vote could EASILY have swung toward mccain. but I've spoken to some friends still in miami and it is clinton's endorsement of obama that is making them consider voting for him. that may not seem significant. however. how important has florida been in the past? hrm? same with hispanics in texas. they are racist. they don't *like* black people. they might not have voted. they might have voted mccain. who knows. but instead, my understanding from folks who still live in texas is that they're swinging toward obama because clinton said so. they *loved* clinton the prez and *loved* the idea of another clinton prez.

I don't work in my old job anymore so I don't know what the dominican cafeteria workers are thinking these days but they were the ones who didn't want obama because of his name - he's clearly muslim for them. however, if they're swinging over to obama, it's at least PARTLY because of clinton's endorsement. you guys might want to write her off, but I think she (and her husband, frankly) are critical assets to the obama camp. maybe not enough to pull the rabbit out of the hat but what was the #1 critique of the gore campaign? he refused to use clinton (the prez) to campaign for him. that might have made enough of a difference to have changed the last 8 years.

obviously, we can't know for sure. but I think it is critical for both female support and hispanic support that the obama camp use the clintons wisely. mccain is holding female-only rallies and speaking to la fucking raza unida party. he is trying as hard as he can to grab those folks he sees as folks who might swing toward him now that clinton is out.

boygabriel

alafairnadia wrote: you guys might want to write her off, but I think she (and her husband, frankly) are critical assets to the obama camp.

I didn't mean to do that at all. I should have been clear: her campaigning for him is a significant boon.

daver

Lol. What a wanker. NOW it seems like a good idea... The "new" politics at work!

Aug. 3, 2008

Looking to build Democratic unity, Barack Obama has called for restoration of full voting rights for convention delegates from the key swing states of Florida and Michigan, which flouted party rules by holding their primary elections too early.

Hillary Rodham Clinton, who ran a close second to Obama in the party's nomination process, won both states and had argued unsuccessfully that delegates she captured in those contests should be counted in her favor.

The delegates were each awarded a half vote each in a compromise reached during a contentious Democratic party meeting in May. Obama secured the necessary number of delegates shortly afterward, and Clinton suspended her campaign and threw her support to her first-term Senate colleague.

Call for unity
Obama had opposed full votes for those delegates until now, with the party's national convention less than a month distant and his nomination as its presidential candidate all but certain.

Obama says fully reinstate Fla., Mich. delegates

alafairnadia

yeah, I was laughing about that yesterday.

sevenoneeighty

It aint over till. the...
Yup, she may be back.
Hillary may push for a convention vote.

Scorched Earth policy is in effect.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=5528104&page=1

18 wrote: Sen. Hillary Clinton Seeks Democratic Convention Voice
Sen. Hillary Clinton Not Ruling Out Having Name Put Up for Vote in Denver[/size]
By RICK KLEIN and DAVID CHALIAN
Aug. 6, 2008


Sen. Hillary Clinton told a gathering of supporters last week that she's looking for a "strategy" for her delegates to have their voices heard and "respected" at the Democratic National Convention -- and did not rule out the possibility of having her name placed into nomination at the convention alongside Sen. Barack Obama's.

witch-king

one last hurrah for the clintons before they ride off into the sunset. i can't begrudge them that. after all, they've been working towards hillary's nomination for 7 years; it's hard to say goodbye, even after mucking it up royally.

sandcastler

Subject: 2000

In re the Florida vote in 2000: I've often wondered how much Elian had to do with the vote that year. Elian the boy saved from drowning only to be taken at gunpoint from his relatives' house by the feds. Picture in the paper. Video on the TV news. Elian sent back to Cuba. That poor scared boy, his mama drowned under the waves. I've often wondered whether that was enough to sway a few votes, when a few votes was all it took that year. How odd that the course of history might have been altered by the fate of that boy.

boygabriel

witch-king wrote: one last hurrah for the clintons before they ride off into the sunset. i can't begrudge them that. after all, they've been working towards hillary's nomination for 7 years; it's hard to say goodbye, even after mucking it up royally.

Except Hillary isn't going anywhere. She had perfectly positioned herself to be a powerful force in the Senate for as long as she felt like serving.

I hope these are just rumors.