The Labor Day Carnival Celebration 2014 thread.

whynot_31

This photo seems as good of a way to start the conversation as any

newguy88

But but but how are we supposed to shake everyone's bones for 72 hours straight if they seize the speakers?

whynot_31

Do you think we will still be able to buy $5 nutcrackers or nemos?

http://www.barrypopik.com/index.php/new_york_city/entry/nutcracker_and_nemo_sweet_liquor_punch

MOD

I hope so! lol I can't wait to eat sum curried goat roti.

newguy88

I'm sure the NYPD will overlook the nutcrackers. If they seize them and the boomboxes the whole holiday would have to be called off curried goat roti and all. 

Davina

Is it just me or has it been more quiet this year so far?

whynot_31

It seems to get more quiet each year. As the area around EP has changed, so has the manner in which the holiday weekend is celebrated.

BTW, am I the only one who notices punctuation problems on the flyer?

Precarnvial press: http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/08/28/new-york-today-carnival-countdown/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_php=true&_type=blogs&ref=nyregion&_r=1&;

mcpoet

It has definitely been more quiet the last few years, mainly in relation to the parade adjacent noise.  I don't mind the parade itself.  What drives me crazy are the DJs with massive sound systems blaring the worst mixes in human history 24 hours a day.  I remember the one year hearing Celine Dion, mixed with Rueben Studdard, mixed with Peabo Bryson, all with some DJ screaming over the music, plus eight more layers of airhorns and laser sounds.  This would go on literally non-stop, day and night.  All day I can deal with, but when it gets to be 1 AM, 2 AM, 3 AM, 4 AM and the music is still blaring just as loudly that just isn't cool.  I have nothing against the parade proper.  It's the parade adjacent jackassery that drives me nuts.

southeast

Agreed; it is definitely more quiet the last few years.  For this year, amazingly, I haven't heard anything yet.

dl

@mcpoet, I feel the same way. I used to live about 3/4 of a mile from Eastern Parkway and really enjoyed making my way up there on parade day to check out the scene and people watch. Two years ago I moved to a different block, where the festivities (and loud, loud music) started the Thursday before and didn't stop until Monday night. Now I always go out of town for that weekend. I still like checking out photos of the amazing costumes online though!

southeast

whynot_31

Usually the northside of the EP station is closed. I think this would be the first time that it has been kept open on Labor Day

goldemi1

Oddly quiet again last night.  I live on EP near Franklin, and its a great place to live 363 days of the year.  Hopefully I can add a couple nights to that number if it stays quiet tonight/tomorrow....but I doubt it.  Havent had dj's outside the window, just guys getting progressively drunker/louder.

goldemi1

Oh, and if you have kids, Staten Island is having a little county fair through the weekend.....that's where I'll be skiddadling for Monday!

whynot_31

For those seeking to join the outdoor festivities, I expect these two "venues" to be most festive:

1. St John's between Kingston and Utica.

2. The parking lot behind the Brooklyn Museum.

Note, if you have the means, I'd recommend the latter. It has a different crowd, and the sound systems are of better quality. You'll need to pay about $50 for a ticket to get in.

bkchickie

It seems to get more quiet each year. As the area around EP has changed, so has the manner in which the holiday weekend is celebrated.

BTW, am I the only one who notices punctuation problems on the flyer?

Precarnvial press: http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/08/28/new-york-today-carnival-countdown/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_php=true&_type=blogs&ref=nyregion&_r=1&;

Coincidentally, I've was out of town for last year's parade, and we'll be gone for this year's as well.  The one thing I noticed in 2011 was that the sounds systems on the floats became audible well away from Eastern Parkway.  I don't remember that in prior years.

The parade is what it is.  I can't believe those sound system aren't in violation of some kind of noise regulation, but it's not my eardrums getting blown out.

mugofmead111

Is it just me or has it been more quiet this year so far?

There is a band that rehearses in the parking lot of the space formerly occupied by RS Strauss Auto on Empire Boulevard. The sound carries at night. (I'm less than a block away.)

So, is this crackdown the parade's edition of "Broken Windows"?

whynot_31

Broken Windows seems to have support of the public:

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/NYPD-Broken-Windows-Quinnipiac-Poll-WIlliam-Bratton-273018341.html

Note: I'm confident that an even larger number of New Yorkers wish the police would/could go about their jobs in a way that people were not killed while be taken into custody for minor or major offenses. (if I am wrong, I am moving).

mugofmead111

As I said in another thread, I've love to see violators of the pooper-scooper laws included in the crackdown.  

whynot_31

I think people who don't pick up after their dogs have a good chance of being seen by a cop this weekend, and thus ticketed. This is in contrast to other weekends.

I think of it this way:

Parties happen for a sustained period of time in a fixed location. It is not hard for cops to be at the right place at the right time.

People who don't pick up after their dogs are mobile and the actual pooping doesn't take long. It is hard for cops to be at the right place at the right time.

mugofmead111

I think people who don't pick up after their dogs have a good chance of being seen by a cop this weekend, and thus ticketed. This is in contrast to other weekends.

I think of it this way:

Parties happen for a sustained period of time in a fixed location. It is not hard for cops to be at the right place at the right time.

People who don't pick up after their dogs are mobile and the actual pooping doesn't take long. It is hard for cops to be at the right place at the right time.

You can say the same for speeding or other moving violations.

whynot_31

Stationary poop cameras at known problem locations might be an answer.

Maybe a fishing analogy is the way to go?

As opposed to regular fishing this weekend is the equivalent of fishing in a barrel?

The likelihood of seeing a crime (no matter how petty) correlates closely to assigning police on foot patrols.

Related question: If you warn the fish in the barrel that you are about to fish, is it then more of a "sport"? I answer "no"

homeowner

Is it just me or has it been more quiet this year so far?

There is a band that rehearses in the parking lot of the space formerly occupied by RS Strauss Auto on Empire Boulevard. The sound carries at night. (I'm less than a block away.)

So, is this crackdown the parade's edition of "Broken Windows"?

Actually, I'm taking full credit for this flyer. I suggested it in http://www.brooklynian.com/discussion/34341/mr-mayor-i39ve-had-enough-of-the-w-i-day-parade-through-crown-heights-north/p2 this thread back in 2011, and my ego is such that I'm chosing to believe that the police saw it and said "That's a damn good idea!".

whynot_31

Damn, I am only powerful enough to get a mural painted on a concrete tree base.

http://www.brooklynian.com/discussion/44543/nice-mural-going-up-on-ep-tree#Item_4

whynot_31

BTW, here is the flyer put out by WIADCA



Also states "no alcoholic beverages allowed"

homeowner

Slowly my plan for world domination is taking effect...

whynot_31

I can't remember seeing advertising for past WI parades stating that.

Does your plan merely involve flyers that advise people not to drink along the parade route, or actual enforcement?

Do you hope that NYC eventually resembles other cities?

In other cities, the bars, liquor stores, etc located near big events are told that they can not serve or sell on the day of the event. Of course, it doesn't eliminate the associated behaviors, but they seem to believe it puts a damper on it.

Are you prepared to be called a cultural imperialist by people who believe such behavior is cultural and should therefore be respected and/or celebrated?

goldemi1

Am I mistaken or does anyone else feel it in the air?  Walking EP today it just felt like a different vibe. More energy or something, like its building up.  Hopefully in a good way....since I was awake by honking and what sounded like an accident, as of 3am.  I guess the prep (barriers going up) is screwing up traffic.

Even though I'll be leaving for the day, crossing fingers that this year there are zero serious incidents (fatalities, shootings, fights).  Vegas should have an over/under on this.

homeowner

Not a cultural imperialist, but just a realist. Drinking on the streets contributes to bad behavior, which often leads to fights, which often leads to worse. There is no "right" to drink on the street generally, and therefore, no "right" to drink in the middle of the parade. Plus if it keeps people from falling on the street in front of moving vehicles or mouthing off to cops who are already afraid from the sheer number of black folks surrounding them, then so much the better.

Plus, neither you nor I nor anyone else knows what's in any particular Nutcraker. People could drink them expecting one outcome and have a completely different reaction.

I don't want to see businesses barred from serving alcohol, but that they be reminded that they are responsible for the conduct of patrons that are overserved. It's amazing how responsible bar and restaurant owners are when you use the words liability and lawsuit.

Do I want enforcement? I'd like cops to do what they do at other parades which is if someone is intoxicated to the point where they look like they may present a danger to themselves, then detain them until such time as either help arrives or they sober up.

Personally, I think that West Indians don't need alcohol to get the party going, they just need to jump up and wind. I hope that we'll see cool temperatures, police who are enjoying the party, and parade goers that are turned up without the use of illicit substances.

whynot_31

I support your domination.

morralkan

I wonder if this means that beer companies will NOT be sponsoring the W.I. Day parade thins year. I think that was an issue in previous years and the participants complained that, without this sponsorship, they could not put on such a parade.

I have notice that the parade has become quieter  and more organized in the past few years. Quieter is a relative term; it still loud as hell, but less hellish than in years past. Also, down where I am, near Albany Av, come 6PM, the festivities are basically over. I still generally stay inside my house with the AC running and my stereo played at a fairly loud level.