Look who would like to live in 1452 Carroll, between Kingston and Albany

whynot_31

whynot_31

For those unaware:

For the past few decades, most of the residents of this block have been orthodox.

However, the above crowd showed up to a rental open house this week.

The building is recently renovated, and here is a sample of the units available: http://www.zillow.com/b/1452-Carroll-St-Brooklyn-NY/40.66633,-73.9402_ll/

While these units were reportedly constructed in such a way that they could be kosher (ie two sinks), the orthodox are not the ones showing up.

And, the realtor (1/3 of his face is visible on the far left of the photo) is going to rent the units in compliance with housing laws: The interested party who is the most financially qualified gets the apartment.

steadyblogging

I suspect that you could get a similar snapshot this Sunday, when this townhouse on the same street has its first open house:
http://www.corcoran.com/nyc/Listings/Display/3499789

well, with the hopefuls about 10yrs older + a toddler or two in tow.

whynot_31

Does Polly Prep have buses that go that far?

Esperanza

Makes sense that everyone priced out of Park Slope is buying in Prospect Lefferts, and Crown Heights, and then sending their kids to the private schools. I've seen an influx of kids that are "new" to the area, but don't see them going to the local schools south of the Eastern Parkway.

whynot_31

If a Lubavitch family used to live in this home, their kids also likely attended private schools.

So, I don't think the local public school will be affected by these changes.

However, the orthodox Jewish enclave of Crown Heights may change shape.

...when housing is allocated merely to those who bid highest, it is tough to grow an enclave when others are as able and willing to pay the asking prices.

1329 Carroll Street

Dawndew

Poly Prep will pick you up where ever you are for that price

ehgee

We will see how 'widely advertised' housing becomes in the Lubavitch area. The Satmar area of South Williamsburg has not been reshaped very much, though growth has been redirected to far northern Bed-Stuy.

whynot_31

I have been told that non-Satmars living in "Satmar Williamsburg" face larger consequences than non Orthodox people who live in the Orthodox section of Crown Heights.

yesbrooklyn

Makes sense that everyone priced out of Park Slope is buying in Prospect Lefferts, and Crown Heights, and then sending their kids to the private schools. I've seen an influx of kids that are "new" to the area, but don't see them going to the local schools south of the Eastern Parkway.

I think some of us parents south of EP need to get together and talk schools.

suppleknuckles

i'm curious about that particular conversation, though i'm not a parent myself

mugofmead111

I have been told that non-Satmars living in "Satmar Williamsburg" face larger consequences than non Orthodox people who live in the Orthodox section of Crown Heights.

I can see that.

Makes sense that everyone priced out of Park Slope is buying in Prospect Lefferts, and Crown Heights, and then sending their kids to the private schools. I've seen an influx of kids that are "new" to the area, but don't see them going to the local schools south of the Eastern Parkway.

I think some of us parents south of EP need to get together and talk schools.

I believe there is an existing thread on the board (spurred by a post from Gothamist).

Esperanza

I know there is a Crown Heights North Parents group, kids mainly under the age of two and there are conversations (and meetings) happening about the schools. I don't know of any happenings for our area. Perhaps a FB group to get the ball rolling?

whynot_31

There is, indeed, a FB group for Crown Heights parents:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/386656808173738/

As well as a couple of threads on here about local schools:
http://www.brooklynian.com/discussion/comment/563137/#Comment_563137

http://www.brooklynian.com/discussion/39197/schools/p1

ehgee

I have been told that non-Satmars living in "Satmar Williamsburg" face larger consequences than non Orthodox people who live in the Orthodox section of Crown Heights.

When I lived in Satmar Williamsburg, I faced the consequence of cake when I was summoned into an apartment to turn off the stove on shabbos.

That said, the Lubavitchers are much more about engaging outsiders (especially those who might be down with mosiach, but also seemingly in general) than the Satmars.

suppleknuckles

digging up this post bc a guy i know moved to 1030 carroll. apparently it's gut renovated with "fancy" kitchens, has a gym and a roofdeck. it's a totally pre war building that may have once had rent stabilized units. the building sold in 2014...i would imagine all the previous tenants would have had to have left right? does anyone know anything about this place?

whynot_31

Your info on 1030 appears correct.   

For example, unit 1-H comes with an oh-so-trendy-faux-industrial-loft-door

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1030-Carroll-St-APT-1H-Brooklyn-NY-11225/2101494227_zpid/

Pictures of #2D are not on line, but it was a 2BR/1BA that listed for $2600.

http://hotpads.com/rentals/1030-Carroll-Street-2D-Brooklyn-NY-11225--1qfs17ufer7qk#limit=4&lat=40.66734&lon=-73.95707&zoom=23&previewId=1qfs17ufer7qk&previewType=listing&detailsOpen=true&show_listing_sidebar=0&listingTypes=rental,sublet,room,corporate&propertyTypes=house,divided,condo,townhouse,medium,large,garden,&dupeGrouping=building

Yup, this is what is happening....

whynot_31

And the comment section of this thread documents some of the reaction:

http://crownheights.info/crown-heights-news/526254/rent-in-crown-heights-up-8-since-last-year/#comments

whynot_31

Today, the NYT ran an article about a Caribbean woman who moved from Crown Heights and now can not afford to return:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/15/realestate/priced-out-of-my-childhood-home.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

I wonder if the NYT will ever do an article on how Lubavitch people who move out of Crown Heights, can't return because it is now too expensive. 

whynot_31

https://twitter.com/Mottel/status/952615240243535872

Marco555

Can’t stay away from “Kingston”...?

whynot_31

It could be the Kingston aspect. Or, it could be that you can get a house like this for $225K. https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/577-Rutter-Ave-Kingston-PA-18704/83082297_zpid/ ...migration often has pushes and pulls.