Poor vulnerable white girl

anonymous

My daughters tell me that as African females they are more likely than Caucasians to be harassed in our community. I am so offended when I read "I am a white girl or puny white male, I am afraid of being attacked by those bad black folks" Please do your research, and you will find that the frequency of such attacks in the 77th pecinct is minimal. Young Africans know full well that if they attack those folks that the law will come down on them with such force, they also know that an attack on black male or female will most likely go under-investigated

anonymous

Subject: Re: Poor vulnerable white girl

guest8 wrote: My daughters tell me that as African females they are more likely than Caucasians to be harassed in our community. I am so offended when I read "I am a white girl or puny white male, I am afraid of being attacked by those bad black folks" Please do your research, and you will find that the frequency of such attacks in the 77th pecinct is minimal. Young Africans know full well that if they attack those folks that the law will come down on them with such force, they also know that an attack on black male or female will most likely go under-investigated

Amen! I've been trying to tell these folks that from jump. The black-on-white incidents of crime are few and far between and probably have only happened where the victim played the role of the victim so much (looking & acting petrified; avoiding eye contact at all costs; etc.) that the criminal just couldn't be true to his craft and let that one go. Whites have been moving around our neighborhoods for decades as Con Ed, Keyspan & Verizon employees, social workers, etc. Cops will actually try to solve black-on-white crime....and criminmals just don't need that.

oiseau

Brooklyn Boy wrote: The black-on-white incidents of crime are few and far between .

Yeah, and white-on-black crime is totally non-existent.

Brooklyn Boy wrote: Whites have been moving around our neighborhoods for decades

"Our Neighborhoods"? I think not. First of all, when these were "your neighborhoods" they were filled with black-on-black crime and crack cocaine, murders happened daily.

Furthermore, these neighborhoods were built for everyone. The history of the neighborhood is of a white hood, not a black one, so if anyone is "moving around" anyones neighborhood, it's black folks.

Ya mon.

apollonia666

Subject: Re: Poor vulnerable white girl

guest8 wrote: I am so offended when I read "I am a white girl or puny white male, I am afraid of being attacked by those bad black folks" Please do your research, and you will find that the frequency of such attacks in the 77th pecinct is minimal.

Just out of curiosity, I'd love to see your research on how many times someone has said "I am a white girl or puny white male, I am afraid of being attacked by those bad black folks" on this site.

Sometimes people ask about neighborhood safety, and sometimes those people add info on their own races, but that's NOT the same thing as what you're saying here.

I do understand your frustration at what you see as unfair paranoia about our neighborhood, but resorting to exaggeration of what people are really saying isn't the way to prove your point.

sje

Actually, I had a cop tell me the same thing, that as a white woman, I stood a better chance of NOT being mugged than a black woman in CH. Really! As ridiculous as that sounds.

hal

That does not seem ridiculous at all. I feel safer as a white man in a black neighborhood than I might as a black man in a white neighborhood.

ashlee spears

i've thought the same thing. i won't lie- as a white girl, it does make me feel a little safer, in a guilty way. but it's a shitty reality. my safety is no more important than that of a black person or anyone else. we all deserve to feel safe and protected. but yeah, the cops and especially the media are more likely to make a big deal over a black on white crime than a black on black crime and most criminals are well aware of that. that's nothing new.


and somewhat ironically, i'm now watching the 90210 rerun where david teams up with willie from the peach pit's nephew to fight gang crime. can't we all just squash it?

jeffrey

ashlee spears wrote: ...but yeah, the cops and especially the media are more likely to make a big deal over a black on white crime than a black on black crime and most criminals are well aware of that. that's nothing new.

and somewhat ironically, i'm now watching the 90210 rerun where david teams up with willie from the peach pit's nephew to fight gang crime. can't we all just squash it?

Not until Dylan gets on his bike and jumps a shark tank.

anonymous

Oiseau wrote: [quote=Brooklyn Boy] The black-on-white incidents of crime are few and far between .

Yeah, and white-on-black crime is totally non-existent.

Brooklyn Boy wrote: Whites have been moving around our neighborhoods for decades

"Our Neighborhoods"? I think not. First of all, when these were "your neighborhoods" they were filled with black-on-black crime and crack cocaine, murders happened daily.

Furthermore, these neighborhoods were built for everyone. The history of the neighborhood is of a white hood, not a black one, so if anyone is "moving around" anyones neighborhood, it's black folks.

Ya mon.

Non-existent?!?!?!? You must've thought that I was referring to economic crimes only. If the black families that were trying to integrate into white communities had little online forums like these...what do you think they'd be discussing on it. Do you think they'd be complaining about the area feeling a tad bit unsafe????...or about getting their iPods stolen?

Secondly, these were uncontestedly "our" neighborhoods just a few years back. No one challenged that or offered any fantasies of it ever being a "white hood." This was all before the rents in Manhattan got out of control, of course. Lastly, you flip between arguing that it was in fact once a black neighborhood ("murders happened daily")..to arguing that it was never a black neighborhood but in fact a neighborhood built for all people....and you end off with that it was originally a white hood.

Oiseau...is it probable that, you are in fact, an idiot? If so, lets just ignore each other dude. While I find a "white idiot in America (a land designed for you)" as interesting as the next non-white person does, I'm really trying to engage in some meaningful debate on these forums. I'm surprised you haven't been shut down yet.

dakotas way

Excuse me. But is this an independent post or a response to something I asked yesterday? Because if that's true, no one knows if I'm black, white or purple with pink polkadots.
And everyone deserves to be safe....no matter what "color" they are.

oiseau

If the poor blacks didn't flock to the north for jobs there wouldn't have been white flight and the neighborhood wouldn't have gone through all the shit it went through until the recent gentrification.

I'm sure you're the type of person who would rather have some poor-ass black person living next to you instead of some middle-class white person, just because they are black and not white.

And get this - racism is a two way street, I'd say there is more racism from blacks towards whites in Brooklyn (especially from those over 50) then there is racism towards blacks from whites.

I guess you want your "all black American land for racist black folks".

And when you decide to actually register, then perhaps you will be taken seriously with your so-called "meaningful debate" Until then, shut the fuck up, guest!

anonymous

Subject: poo vulnerable white girls

Unfortunately that was not the direction I wanted this discussion to take, there is obviously some underlying racial hostilies.
Let me repeat" It is highly offensive to read or hear a caucasian identify him/herself as such, and then proceed to ask about safety for him/herself in CH". The way these questions are posed is as though the questioner has a deep fear of the people of CH and must be reassured.

anonymous

Oiseau wrote: If the poor blacks didn't flock to the north for jobs there wouldn't have been white flight and the neighborhood wouldn't have gone through all the shit it went through until the recent gentrification.

I'm sure you're the type of person who would rather have some poor-ass black person living next to you instead of some middle-class white person, just because they are black and not white.

And get this - racism is a two way street, I'd say there is more racism from blacks towards whites in Brooklyn (especially from those over 50) then there is racism towards blacks from whites.

I guess you want your "all black American land for racist black folks".

And when you decide to actually register, then perhaps you will be taken seriously with your so-called "meaningful debate" Until then, shut the fuck up, guest!

Listen, dude, I'm not sure what your problem is...or why it was that you responded to my opinion that whites are safer in black neighborhoods than the converse with incendiary statements, but I really find your comments WAY over the top. I actually do not prefer "poor ass black person[s]" (or any poor persons) being the only ones living around me; like most people, I'd prefer a diverse nabe. But your type is exactly the type that deserves to get chucked the fuck out of here. How in the world have they allowed your leash to get so long on this forum? I mean, haven't you announced your participation in any bar crawls. How'd you make it back to this forum? I'm really, really uncomfortable with people like you running around the neighborhood. The only positive to you is that you hold up a mirror to yourself that I'm glad everybody gets to see, whether they speak out about it or not.

And next time, instead of calling me "guest" why don't you man up and say what's really on your mind....neighbor!

oiseau

Typical. You want to create this forum in your image. You want to create your neighborhood in your image. You claim to want diversity, but then you call for banning someone who has radically different opinions then you. Hypocrite.

And fuck bar crawls.

dakotas way

WOW. What anger you have. How can you charge someone with being prejudice when you are so prejudice yourself? How do you know anyone is trying to create any neighborhoods in their image if you don't know them?
Martin Luther King fought to have the integration and acceptance of all people, and it happened. Why would anyone want to reverse that?
And the people I want living next to me? Good, honest people, and yeah, I don't care what their racial background is. It was important to us to raise our kids in an area with great diversity and that is what they look for where ever they go. So if they land in your neighborhood someday, you'll be lucky cause they will judge you by the person you are inside and not by what you look like. Actions speak much louder than words.
And remember the Golden Rule......treat people as you would want to be treated. Maybe if you tried that you would get a much better response from those you encounter.

anonymous

MOD NOTE: further downthread, Oiseau admits to writing this post, posing as Brooklyn Boy. Please, take a minute to register your names folks, so we can keep track and others can't pull stunts like this.... THX!
READ THE RULES is linked at the top of every page. Please, Respect yourself and others.

I am a victim! I am a victim!

Here, let me fill you with guilt about the past.

These are "our" neighborhoods. All you white people moving around them should get the fuck out. We can't even rob you because we know the man would actually do something about it.

jayce

Brooklyn Boy wrote:
Listen, dude, I'm not sure what your problem is...

just a thought. and let me be clear. I am not in oiseau's corner at all here. or on any topic (I think he is one of the most offensive people on this board, to be honest.). Your statement in your first post was a little offensive. The one about the only white people becoming victims are the ones "playing victim." I found that to be ignorant and offensive, having been a victim of a mugging myself. I didn't look the part of the victim at all. And I know and am friendly with more of this neighborhood, race aside, than almost anyone I know. People probably think I am crazy with all the stops I make to talk to all the people on the street. Sometimes people are in the wrong place at the wrong time. And sometimes those people are from all races.

That being said, I totally agree that when the victim is white and the perp isn't, the weight of the NYPD comes down hard, and victims of color are not given the same preferential treatment. I saw that when I was mugged too.

So my only bit to chime in here, BrooklynBoy, is that for the most part I agree with you, but I do think you might want to rethink your idea of "victims asking for it." As a woman, a recent mugging victim, and most of all, as someone who has worked with victims of crime in an advocacy role (I was a rape crisis counselor for more years than I could count), I found that comment to be bristling.

Ok guys... have back at your blugeoning each other.

whatchuwant

OK- you know what, Brooklyn Boy?!? My white (and super fine) ass has been here for ten years and I ain't leaving. Who the fuck are YOU to tell ME to go anywhere? You know, I supported you on another post once, and now I kind of feel like you just come on this board to hate the white man for shits and giggles. You really DON'T want to have an intelligent conversation/spirited debate- you just wanna hate.
I gave you props for having been here for decades as you've stated in the past, but at the same time, I can't help but feel you're one of those muthafuckas giving people dirty looks when they walk down the street, like you OWN the place.
And I'm NOT here defending all the white people on this board who come here to ask about the neighborhood. I frankly think they're pussies who shouldn't be here anyway, and I'm with you on that. But don't EVEN go there and tell me to leave. Shit is MY neighborhood, too.

oiseau

dakotas way wrote:
And remember the Golden Rule......treat people as you would want to be treated. Maybe if you tried that you would get a much better response from those you encounter.

Have a blessed day.

}:->

dakotas way

You too. And wouldn't the world be a much better place if we all lived by that rule?

sweet tea

assuming you guys do get back to your argument, thought you might have fun with this http://www.socialexplorer.com/pub/maps/map3.aspx?g=1&animation=true

however, i believe that you are both men, and that makes me want to tell you to shove it on the subject of female vulnerability. it sucks that men of any color make women of every color feel unsafe walking anywhere. it sucks that movies and tv and a million other sources tell women we ought to feel unsafe, that the solution is getting a nice man to walk us home, not changing the acceptable behavior of men who follow us, ask us personal questions with the expectation of being answered, tell us to smile, and in every way insinuate that we are theirs.

sje

That URL is fascinating! and a bit bizarre.

caseopele

Without getting involved in all the nastiness here, I just want to say one thing. Neighborhood populations are not static, they are constantly changing. No one race can say this is "our" neighborhood (whether white or black). For example, Crown Heights was initially a predominantly white neighborhood until the 1950's. It eventually became a predominantly black and hispanic neighborhood. Now white people are moving back. None of this means that Crown Heights is "ours" or "theirs", we share the neighborhood and need to learn to live with each other. Unless you live in a gated community you can't control who your neighbors will be. This NY Times article gives a little information about the history of Crown Heights.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9803EED7143BF933A15752C0A963948260

squeegee beckenheim

I agree with caseopele... or at least I hope neighborhoods are ever changing. Remember when Dyker Heights was the place to shack up and you wouldn't set foot in Williamsburg for anything in the world?

As a white girl I was told to watch out when I first moved here because I would "stand out." I have to say, with the exception of a few nasty remarks, mostly from neighbors, I have had nothing but a great experience here.

I do hate though, when there's the stigma of "whites moving into the neighborhood means raising prices." I'm not rich! I don't want prices to raise either! I love all of the neighborhood haunts and wouldn't have moved here if I didn't want to keep it that way... but that doesn't mean I don't want crime to stop. Against anyone of any color crime f*n sucks.

dakotas way

You know what I don't understand? It's that my original question didn't relate to safety for my daughter because of race, but gender. And more importantly that no one seemed to pick up that my daughter is gay and I do fear that there are those of any race and gender who might find that a reason to possibly target she and her partner. Who both, by the way, are wonderful people and would do anything they could to help you.
Why this had anything to do with what color people are, I don't know because as I said earlier, I never indicated anything about race.
How did this whole discussion progress the way it did? I have to wonder if those who view it in that manner somehow further the differences between people instead of bridging any gaps that may be between them.
The woman who was talking about her African American daughters being harassed should know that any mother worth her weight would be concerned when a child moves into a first apartment in any area that they are unfamiliar with and should ask these questions. Doesn't matter what age their child is.
And to add that the child is gay only increases the chances of possible altercations.
My children grew up close to the city and were taught to accept people of all races and sexual orientations. I did advise my daughter when she finished college in the mid west, that others may not be as accepting of her lifestyle as the NY area and to be careful.
She has dreamed of living in the city since she was 11 years old and now it's coming true.
Everyone deserves to be happy in life....don't you think? :?

filmlover44

I'm interested. Does it really matter what color the girl is who is being attacked or harassed? What (the hell) are your priorities here? Do you want to get rid of those frightened white people who dare to move into "your" neighborhood in spite of all of those Big Scary Black Men living there or do you want to make it a safer place for everyone?

See, I think that your bigoted self doesn't like anyone pointing out that Crown Heights (much as I love it) is not the safest neighborhood in the world and you think that it's racist for a white person to point it out. I think that you'd rather that people pretend that there is no problem and that if they do point out that there is a problem and if they happen to be white, then they are racists.

I'm not white, so you don't get to play that crap with me.

oiseau

dakotas way wrote: It's that my original question didn't relate to safety for my daughter because of race, but gender.

Yeah, but this ain't your question, your question is over here

dakotas way wrote: How did this whole discussion progress the way it did?

Race was brought up from the beginning and further flamed with words like this:

Brooklyn Boy wrote: Whites have been moving around our neighborhoods for decades

dakotas way

I know what my original question was. So it still doesn't make sense that people took it upon themselves to run with this in a whole different way than the question that was asked.
I didn't ask anything wrong that any other mother shouldn't ask for a kid moving into a first apartment in a city. And shame on those that don't take the time to do the same.
And for those with such race issues, I might suggest they go out to diversified areas too and mingle with those of other races to realize that people are people. Not a color or a religion.
Separatism only segregates people as a whole and that is not cool at all.

sweet tea

dakotas way wrote: I know what my original question was. So it still doesn't make sense that people took it upon themselves to run with this in a whole different way than the question that was asked.

to be fair, though, this thread was started BEFORE you asked your question on a different thread (and, originally, a different neighborhood board).

dakotas way

I thought it was started shortly after I posted my original question and the woman who posted this was a guest on this board. My thought was that she read what I had written and took it wrong.
Anyhow, enough of this.
Thanks for the positive posts and I know my daughter will love whichever district it is she's moving into.

anonymous

Brooklyn Boy wrote: I am a victim! I am a victim!

Here, let me fill you with guilt about the past.

These are "our" neighborhoods. All you white people moving around them should get the fuck out. We can't even rob you because we know the man would actually do something about it.

In case anyone hasn't figured it out, the above post was not by me. I guess someone is taking advantage of my "guest" status and is now trying to pass off bogus messages as mine. Now, let's see who would do something that violative and reckless? hmmm, follow the logic (or lack thereof) expressed in the post itself...now who here has exhbited strains of unadulterated luncy?...who here is completelt taking advantage of the anonymous nature of these posts?????