noise from lincoln place apts
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Isa wrote: I'm changing my name to guest. From now on all guests are me.
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Subject: Respect your neighbors
People work hard, and need to play hard to blow off steam. Fine. I get that. But yelling to everyone in the street is something I can't romanticize. "Sharing" your car or home stereo, ditto. There's a time and a place for everything. If you need to hear some loud music, go to a club. Or *gasp* put on the headphones. It's all about respect, and we all live too close together for anyone to have their voice/music/firecrackers/whatever putting out 125 dB.
Ain' no charm to someone getting his drink on in public at 3am and yelling about how they're gonna destroy "all this pretty shit," screaming at passerby, and otherwise being a garden-variety asshole.
Your neighbor, who has permanent ear-ringing since moving to PH,
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"I'm gonna destroy all this pretty shit!" -- random drunk
... Why am I still laughing?
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I have to admit, I am with Park Man on this. I actually like the fabric and feel of the neighborhood - particularly in summer, and culminating in the parade on Labor Day. And he's right, Park Slope used to have "pockets of rambunctiousness" that have now disappeared and while I enjoy the new shops and restaurants on 5th Avenue, the disappearance of those families and street life is disheartening in some ways.
But I guess I have to qualify this by saying for some strange reason I can tolerate music and partying coming from outside, while when it comes from the inside, from apartments above and below me, I am far and away less tolerant.
Feel free to call me a hypocrite ... but I would answer that by saying that we all have our boundaries ... and the trick is in finding a mutually acceptable manner of respecting them. Easier said than done, I know.
This is the beauty (or "upside") of living in such a diverse community. This is why none of us live in the suburbs (or at least I don't think we do), no matter how hard we complain. -
It's a matter of consideration, that ideally should work both ways. Why can't the "loud party people" have a fete occasionally, not every damn night till 2 or 3 am? Where I live on Washington, there is an open air car repair lot across the street, a few weeks ago, they started having wild, outdoor reggae parties every other night, I'm talking cowbells banging along to top volume music, all outside for hours and hours. I think my block is very tolerant, but this was driving us nuts. If they did it every few weeks, no-one would care that much. But it's relentless, and you can't even think straight in your apt, it's so loud. Actually, I think the energy emanating from those parties is incredible. But not on a daily basis! Give us a break. They finally quit doing it so often, after complaints, but once in awhile, no problem. As I said, mutual consideration. There's still plenty of flavor here, never fear.
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Subject: music not so much of a problem, mating cats - horrible!
I never heard much music from the street in my apt, some late nite chatter/fights from Lincoln place every now and then. But those damn mating/fighting cats! Several nights a week the local neighborhood cats would get together for some sort of carnal gathering that could be heard clearly inside my fifth floor unit despite closed windows, running AC's, etc. I was waiting for the day when people gathered arms to hunt them down and kill them all! -
I had that same cat problem when I lived on St. Johns. I've wondered whether they were strays or owned. If they had homes, it sucks that people can't get their cats fixed. The noise is pretty alarming, huh? Sounds like they're being skinned alive rather than mating.
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Subject: exactly
It sounds like they are being tortured. Piercing, shrieking, cat yells. Horrible. -
Subject: Lincoln Place & Underhill - can anyone help?
Looks like the summer has gotten off to a bad start. Our neighbors have been complaining about the gang activity on the corner and getting woken up at all hours of the morning by people screaming and yelling in front of the buildings on Lincoln Place (right off Underhill). There have been several reports about violence and muggings in the neighborhood (especially on St. Johns between Underhill and Washington) - one of our friends on Lincoln Place says that the corner is attracting people from all over the place and older, longterm residents on the block are frightened by what's going on. Has anyone had success with the police or 311? We need help. -
Subject: Noise---I'm torn
I lived on Washington avenue in huge, beautiful apartment for two years, but moved because the noise was out of control! At the same time, I like to play my music really loud, so I fit right in---it was great until I was ready to fall asleep....One night, I actually went outside and asked the people playing cards at 2am on a weeknight to turn their radio down---and they did... But, when I bought my apt., I made sure it was in the back...Now, my problem is solved...no more noise...I admit, I'm a noisy neighbor...I played my music so loud, the fuse blew and I haven't had a soundsystem in months. I vacuum at night (the neighbor downstairs apprehended me!), and my dog barks up a storm---especially when he hears the cats howling at 6am...In a word, I'm guilty and 100% aware of my hypocrisy...But I'm working on it...
You guys gonna blast me for saying this, but there's something wonderful about listening to your music at high volumes while maxin' in a luxury vehicle...and frankly, its one of the things that make urban neighborhoods unique and special...you hear the hottest music first from mixtapes blasting from fully-loaded vehicles---Its like having a portable nightclub...but it does suck when the new Top 40 List is blasting underneath your window at 3am...And in the neighborhood that I grew up in, EVERYONE played their music at full blast in the morning...but not at night...I admit that I pump the volume in my car to the max...I can't help myself...But, I do not idle in front of people's homes and windows with my music at full blast...i'm sure someone on this list will be inclined to write, "RBG is a troll!"
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How about: RBG rocks for her honesty?
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i am also a noise maker and appreciater! i grew up in the flight path of an airport, and the loudest "cars that go boom" in the world couldn't compare to THAT noise. so we moved to a noisy neighborhood on purpose, so that we could join right in the cacophony. in fact, we even have a drumset in the apartment (cue mass shudders). but, we do have sound absorbers underneath it. and i forbid the boyfriend from playing too late (past 8:30), or playing along to moon-era who records. thankfully the neighbors haven't complained, they actually seem interested in what we do here and there.
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I'm listening to Shaggy really loud right now - it's a really awful song but I'm too lazy to get up and change it. I'm going to call 311 on myself I think. Then they can get here and bust the door down and lower it.
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Subject: Re: Noise---I'm torn
RBG--RichBlackGirl wrote: You guys gonna blast me for saying this, but there's something wonderful about listening to your music at high volumes while maxin' in a luxury vehicle...and frankly, its one of the things that make urban neighborhoods unique and special...
That was me as a teenager, but instead of a luxury vehicle it was a 10-year-old Sentra. Now I'm definitely in the "you kids turn that racket down" phase.
I must be doing something wrong. How does one "max"? Is it painful? Does it cost a lot of money? Is it legal to max and drive at the same time?RBG--RichBlackGirl wrote: you hear the hottest music first from mixtapes blasting from fully-loaded vehicles---Its like having a portable nightclub
Without the Escalade DJ Squad, I certainly never would have learned about the fascinatingly bizarre genre known as "Dancehall." HUNHHH! -
T-fal, what are these sound absorbers you use with the drum set? and how much do they cost? my band practices in our basement and i'm always trying to find ways to reduce the noise. then again, our neighbors had a party a couple weekends ago at which they pumped a sound system loud enough for shea stadium.
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Sounds like there are many quality of life issues in PH and very little response from the local 77th. This is a great neighborhood with conscientious individuals.
I say that PH organize a crowd and go see the 77's CO. With peaceful intentions, we should all voice our displeasure of their policing, or lack thereof.
Spread the word DH -
T-fal, what are these sound absorbers you use with the drum set?
I used to have good low-end results with egg crate foam or old gym mats on the wall (any fabric really, the thicker the better) carpeting on the floor and placing the amps or drum kits on styrofoam (you might want to stabalize the foam for the drum kit though...with some weight so it won't shake around).I say that PH organize a crowd and go see the 77's CO. With peaceful intentions, we should all voice our displeasure of their policing, or lack thereof.
Maybe/maybe not marching on the station, but you have a point and an idea worth thinking about. I think it's a lack of people making noise about the problems that lets police and politicians smile and ignore the problems. The more attention drawn to it,well obviously something of some sort will be done...right? -
It's pretty easy for politicians to ignore citizens in a vacuum (if a tree falls in the forest...). You need media involvement if you want to have a real effect. If you're planning to do something like this, you should get someone with publicity experience to issue a press release to local news outlets and try to arrange for cameras to be there.
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Can't argue with that.
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jimmylegs wrote: T-fal, what are these sound absorbers you use with the drum set? and how much do they cost? my band practices in our basement and i'm always trying to find ways to reduce the noise. then again, our neighbors had a party a couple weekends ago at which they pumped a sound system loud enough for shea stadium.
well, we are on the top floor, so we use several weightlifting floorpads, the kind that gyms use to prevent the sound and shudder of heavy weights being dropped to the floor. we have them under the set. we also have a few rugs as well. in addition to super heavy velvet draperies. and solid pre-war constuction.
however the best sound abosorption can only be found in concrete. and since you practice in a basement, you should be set on at least 3 sides.
try looking up build your own bass traps. i think the tape op forum and the electrical audio forum should have instructions somewhere. once the boy gets back from that infernal hell hole known as "our nations capital," i can give you better information. -
I posted something similar in another thread, but i'm not so excitied about the idea of the police being used to solve this problem. Be careful what you wish for... i mean i don't want to have to have the problem of being bothered by the police in my neighborhood, nor do i want to worry that my neighbor is going to call the police before asking me to turn my music down, go inside, keep it down, etc. My personal experience with the NYPD has been fair, but i don't want to feel like big brother is watching when i'm just hanging out outside my house because its so damn hot inside.
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Subject: and the heights go marching
a few people in my building on lincoln place towards washington have been trying to contact the COs at the 77th precinct by phone for weeks now. they don't return calls. so we're contemplating going over there in person. the detectives to speak with are mclean or raton. post when you're going and we'll go with you. meanwhile, i always call both 311 and the precinct directly 718.735.0611 if the noise is bothering me. i'm all in favor of party-time, but at 2 in the morning, i want to sleep, and i feel bad for all of the hundreds of kids on lincoln place who are also trying to sleep, and the old people, and the people who have to work the next day. so i think of this not as a war between two sides but as an ongoing negotiation and compromise on both ends of the noise spectrum. noise that keeps you from sleeping in the wee hours doesn't make the neighborhood vibrant and colorful; it makes it uninhabitable for people of all colors. -
exactly - and anyone who lives near St. Mark's and Washington/Grand was kept awake last night until 4am by the mind-numbingly loud music blasting out of a building on St. Marks. These parties are a regular occurence in the neighborhood throughout the year. It's so loud, nothing drowns out the sound. I refuse to buy into the "it's brooklyn, get over it" concept of noise tolerance. i know for a fact that even people who've been in the neighborhood 20 years or more are fed up ... and like you, i especially feel for the children, esp. during the school year. It's just plain disrespecting one's neighbors. have a party, don't keep the entire neighborhood up with it.
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exactly.
might i suggest since each of us who has a complaint lives, for the most part in different buildings, on different blocks of PH. some of us own (more power behind their demands). if we create a unified petition, demanding that 77 take action, somehow, make copies and get as many peeps to sign it in our dwellings. (hang it by the mailboxes etc.) then one or two volunteer to waltz them up to 77.
comments?
ps. to those who have moved within the last year...you ain't seen nothing till you see the west indian day parade on labor day!!! now that is noise!! crazy building shaking noise. especially on lincoln pl. -
The noise from the West Indian Day Parade is a whole 'nother animal compared to the on-going noise from partying and disrespectful neighbors that is being endured by so many. The parade is a fanastic one-day event that is so very integral to the life and diversity of this neighborhood. For those of us who live on Eastern Parkway, it can be particularly mind-boggling, but for one day out of 365 days in the year, the good far, far outweighs the bad.
And, I think your petition idea is a great one.
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