Mugged by the Fresh Direct Delivery Guy?
Tessa writes on NYC Metblogs: "...The guy put his foot in my door and would not let me close it, demanding his tip. I tried to close it, my heart beating faster realizing I'm a single female who lives in a studio with all my neighbors out already for the night. I think by the third time, he realized it too, pushed his way into my apartment and demanded I give him money.
"I gave him all the cash I had which amounted to only about $10 ... I immediately closed my door, shaking violently (still currently at this moment), locking all three locks and then got on the phone to Fresh Direct..."
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"I gave him all the cash I had which amounted to only about $10 ... I immediately closed my door, shaking violently (still currently at this moment), locking all three locks and then got on the phone to Fresh Direct..."
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Subject: Re: Mugged by the Fresh Direct Delivery Guy?
dailyheights wrote: Tessa writes on NYC Metblogs: "...The guy put his foot in my door and would not let me close it, demanding his tip. I tried to close it, my heart beating faster realizing I'm a single female who lives in a studio with all my neighbors out already for the night. I think by the third time, he realized it too, pushed his way into my apartment and demanded I give him money.
Did she at least call the cops or report the guy to FD? That's some fucked up bullshit.
"I gave him all the cash I had which amounted to only about $10 ... I immediately closed my door, shaking violently (still currently at this moment), locking all three locks and then got on the phone to Fresh Direct..."
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She reported it to FD and is weighing her options about pressing it further, per the article.
That's scary. I always feel a little nervous when I get FD ordered and I'm alone when they come, but have never had any problems. The guys act surprised and grateful when I tip (which I do sporadically), and half the time have to chase them out the door to give it to them since they leave to get to their next order so quickly. I bet (hope) this guy was new, and I hope he gets summarily fired. Not cool. -
bluedove wrote: She reported it to FD and is weighing her options about pressing it further, per the article.
They've had problems before. I recall a Daily news article from maybe a year ago about a FD guy that was busted making obscene calls to the women he delivered to. He'd do deliveries, get their number that way and after dropping off the food and checking them out, he's start calling them from a pay phone. Enough people complained that the police tracked the calls to a phone's location, I think outside of a bar or something and staked it out and busted the guy.
That's scary. I always feel a little nervous when I get FD ordered and I'm alone when they come, but have never had any problems. The guys act surprised and grateful when I tip (which I do sporadically), and half the time have to chase them out the door to give it to them since they leave to get to their next order so quickly. I bet (hope) this guy was new, and I hope he gets summarily fired. Not cool. -
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I wonder if it was the same jackass FD driver who almost ran me over at the intersection of Park and Vanderbilt. -
Subject: Re: Mugged by the Fresh Direct Delivery Guy?
Slightly off topic, but I know a kid who was almost molested by the Maytag repairman.dailyheights wrote: Tessa writes on NYC Metblogs: "...The guy put his foot in my door and would not let me close it, demanding his tip. I tried to close it, my heart beating faster realizing I'm a single female who lives in a studio with all my neighbors out already for the night. I think by the third time, he realized it too, pushed his way into my apartment and demanded I give him money.
"I gave him all the cash I had which amounted to only about $10 ... I immediately closed my door, shaking violently (still currently at this moment), locking all three locks and then got on the phone to Fresh Direct..."
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Subject: Re: Mugged by the Fresh Direct Delivery Guy?
Muk wrote: Slightly off topic, but I know a kid who was almost molested by the Maytag repairman.
GODAMMIT DUDE! I told you that was between you and me! Why do I tell you anything!?!
[quote=dailyheights]Tessa writes on NYC Metblogs: "...The guy put his foot in my door and would not let me close it, demanding his tip. I tried to close it, my heart beating faster realizing I'm a single female who lives in a studio with all my neighbors out already for the night. I think by the third time, he realized it too, pushed his way into my apartment and demanded I give him money.
"I gave him all the cash I had which amounted to only about $10 ... I immediately closed my door, shaking violently (still currently at this moment), locking all three locks and then got on the phone to Fresh Direct..."
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i sent a complaint letter to fresh direct about what i have read lately about their drivers. one of their drivers was a convicted felon...that's really not cool....why is it up to the customer to find out the names of the delivery men - don't they know who's delivering where?
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I'm probably going to get majorly flamed for saying this, but that lady is coming across as a total idiot.
When a guy forces his way into your apartment and takes your money, you do not weigh your options and take things up with the HR department of his employer.
You call the mother fucking cops and have his ass arrested! Call 1 is to the cops, where you tell them how he forced his way in and robbed you. Call 2 is to FD telling them that the cops will be calling for information about their psycho delivery guy. -
BrooklynSwordStyle wrote: I'm probably going to get majorly flamed for saying this, but that lady is coming across as a total idiot.
I gotta say I totally agree.
When a guy forces his way into your apartment and takes your money, you do not weigh your options and take things up with the HR department of his employer.
You call the mother fucking cops and have his ass arrested! Call 1 is to the cops, where you tell them how he forced his way in and robbed you. Call 2 is to FD telling them that the cops will be calling for information about their psycho delivery guy. -
BrooklynSwordStyle wrote: I'm probably going to get majorly flamed for saying this, but that lady is coming across as a total idiot.
When scary shit happens, people don't always respond the way they should or would like to. Fear and adrenaline puts your reasoning in strange places. Calling her an idiot is really not fair or nice. Yeah I'd agree that the cops should be called, but she did what she did and I don't fault her for it. That's some scary stuff.
When a guy forces his way into your apartment and takes your money, you do not weigh your options and take things up with the HR department of his employer.
You call the mother fucking cops and have his ass arrested! Call 1 is to the cops, where you tell them how he forced his way in and robbed you. Call 2 is to FD telling them that the cops will be calling for information about their psycho delivery guy. -
Dave, I might be able to agree with you if we were still on the day of the mugging. But after a few days the initial adrenaline rush should have left the system. By 50 or so hours after the event I would expect a "hey, maybe I should reach out to the police, who I pay taxes to to solve this crime" rather than "oh, the VP of human resources says he is going to meet me in my office, maybe we'll be able to resolve this".
I stand firmly by my she is an idiot remark.
What pisses me off even more about this is that right now the worst thing that can happen is the guy gets fired. Then we have a psycho mugger out on the streets looking for a new way to make money. Remember, if it's not reported then it might as well never have happened as far as the city is concerned. So an argument could be made that her actions have contributed to the overall danger faced by city residents. -
BrooklynSwordStyle wrote: What pisses me off even more about this is that right now the worst thing that can happen is the guy gets fired. Then we have a psycho mugger out on the streets looking for a new way to make money. Remember, if it's not reported then it might as well never have happened as far as the city is concerned. So an argument could be made that her actions have contributed to the overall danger faced by city residents.
HER actions contributed to the "OVERALL DANGER FACED BY CITY RESIDENTS" ????
Come on ... talk about "blame the victim" ... that is a totally absurd proposition.
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I wouldn't go as far to say "we're all in danger because of her," but this is one of those situations where the cops should get involved instead of getting some "assurances" from a company that would rather keep bad press under wraps. A $40 voucher for free food or some crap like that wouldn't make me feel much better if some delivery guy did that to me.
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Also, as of her update yesterday she says this:
"Just a quick update. the VP of transportation is coming to my office to talk. So FD is being amazing at what they are doing to accomodate the situation that happened. I wanted to give everyone the heads up since I know people are getting fairly heated about it. Like I said when they called me, they are all nice people and are taking the situation seriously."
What the fuck? I've read all of her updates and she hasn't even talked to any law enforcement. Instead she's wondering if she should switch to Max Delivery. And she's happy they are "starting the process" (as of an earlier update) where they talk to the delivery guy and get his side of the story. You know what? What's what detectives and DAs are for. I'm much more willing to trust a DA to decide if there is enough reason to press charges than I am a person with a vested interest in keeping the company name out of bad press.
I am starting to come to the conclusion that either:
1. This woman was not really as threatened as she described in the blog, that all she had was a somewhat obnoxious delivery guy and she's exagerating everything for some blogworthy posts.
2. That she is somehow mentally challenged and doesn't understand the proper course of action to be taken when you are a crime victim.
3. That she is in fact on the lam and wants to minimize contact with law enforcement agencies.
And I fully stand by my statement that it could be argued that her actions increase danger for everyone. Given, it's by a small amount, but it's a legitimate argument. Right now the people out there enforcing the law have no idea that this has happened. So they can take no actions to either pursue justice or adapt their strategies to prevent future occurences. It's only one event, but imagine if no one every reported muggings. I'm willing to bet we'd have a lot more of them. It's her duty as a citizen to report this. -
I suggest that everyone shop at their local supermarket and stop using Fresh Direct. They have nothing that you can not find in Brooklyn or Manhattan. They drive like idiots. They park where they please causing traffic and noise headaches. They waste cardboard. Now they do push-in robberies. Great.
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Flute, I am perfectly fine blaming the victim here. Of course she is not to be blamed for the crime that was commited, but she should be blamed for her irresponsible actions after the fact.
Being a victim doesn't not mean you have no further responsibilities. It does not excuse you from life's duties. This is part of the social contract. -
Oiseau wrote: I suggest that everyone shop at their local supermarket and stop using Fresh Direct. They have nothing that you can not find in Brooklyn or Manhattan. They drive like idiots. They park where they please causing traffic and noise headaches. They waste cardboard. Now they do push-in robberies. Great.
Watch out! You're going against the "Fresh Direct" masses! Some of them have "NetFlix" and will toss their DVDs at you like throwing stars!
Never underestimate the power of the sloth! -
Jack wrote: [quote=Oiseau]I suggest that everyone shop at their local supermarket and stop using Fresh Direct. They have nothing that you can not find in Brooklyn or Manhattan. They drive like idiots. They park where they please causing traffic and noise headaches. They waste cardboard. Now they do push-in robberies. Great.
Watch out! You're going against the "Fresh Direct" masses! Some of them have "NetFlix" and will toss their DVDs at you like throwing stars!
Never underestimate the power of the sloth!
It's not always a matter of sloth. I live near a bunch of crappy supermarkets, and not within convenient walking distance of a good video store. When Fresh Direct and Netflix offer a superior product (especially Netflix--great selection) at decent prices and far greater convenience than the alternative, I don't feel bad at all about using their services. -
Axel Foley wrote: [quote=Jack][quote=Oiseau]I suggest that everyone shop at their local supermarket and stop using Fresh Direct. They have nothing that you can not find in Brooklyn or Manhattan. They drive like idiots. They park where they please causing traffic and noise headaches. They waste cardboard. Now they do push-in robberies. Great.
Watch out! You're going against the "Fresh Direct" masses! Some of them have "NetFlix" and will toss their DVDs at you like throwing stars!
Never underestimate the power of the sloth!
It's not always a matter of sloth. I live near a bunch of crappy supermarkets, and not within convenient walking distance of a good video store. When Fresh Direct and Netflix offer a superior product (especially Netflix--great selection) at decent prices and far greater convenience than the alternative, I don't feel bad at all about using their services.
seriously. I'd love to have the time to go to the co-op, the farmers market or the new gourmet stores popping up all over the place. it'd be really nice to be able to go to a butcher and order one steak (instead of buying a package of 2 or 4 or whatever "family" sizes). but I can't. I work absurd hours and choose to spend my free time socializing or relaxing or doing things that require my time, like paying bills or making my bed. the convenience of drop-off laundry, grocery delivery and dvd delivery are services I choose to pay for.
and, for what it's worth, I always tip the fresh direct dudes. I put them through hell so I can have a couple of cases of seltzer and tons of fizzy lizzy. a few bucks to thank them and avoid a push-in (from the lone insane FD guy) is a small price to pay. -
i have nothing against fresh direct or the service itself; however, does anyone else consider their packaging to be excessive?
also, i agree with oiseau about the trucks in terms of insane driving and the whole huge parking problem.
also, the drivers frequently "cat-call" me while i am riding my bicycle. more so, for some reason, than with other drivers. -
vanilla wrote: i have nothing against fresh direct or the service itself; however, does anyone else consider their packaging to be excessive?
I don't drive (a car or bike) and am rarely around during their regular delivery hours so I have no experience with the parking, driving or cat calling aspect of their behavior. but yeah, the packaging is excessive. I've called and emailed them about it, but from what I can tell, it's how their warehouse is set up. that's not an excuse -- hopefully if enough people call, they'll redesign the warehouse setup.
also, i agree with oiseau about the trucks in terms of insane driving and the whole huge parking problem.
also, the drivers frequently "cat-call" me while i am riding my bicycle. more so, for some reason, than with other drivers. -
Freshdirect ends up providing free, reasonably clean boxes to practically everyone in NY who moves. Think of it as an indirect public service!
I agree with alafairnadia. I'd love to shop at the grocery store and the farmers market and all that. But I just don't have the time. And what free time I do have, I'd rather spend in other ways (such as cooking) than grocery shopping -
daveb wrote: [quote=BrooklynSwordStyle]I'm probably going to get majorly flamed for saying this, but that lady is coming across as a total idiot.
When scary shit happens, people don't always respond the way they should or would like to. Fear and adrenaline puts your reasoning in strange places. Calling her an idiot is really not fair or nice. Yeah I'd agree that the cops should be called, but she did what she did and I don't fault her for it. That's some scary stuff.
When a guy forces his way into your apartment and takes your money, you do not weigh your options and take things up with the HR department of his employer.
You call the mother fucking cops and have his ass arrested! Call 1 is to the cops, where you tell them how he forced his way in and robbed you. Call 2 is to FD telling them that the cops will be calling for information about their psycho delivery guy.
Right on, daveB
BrooklynSwordS maybe you can try and get with the psychology of someone that's been attacked...I still remember the 'deer in the headlights' look of a woman I knew when someone started acting inappropriately in a bar - it was like watching a childhood trauma bubble up. It opened my eyes.
I don't expect you're going to get some great enlightenment from something I write, especially in message board land. Sure she should call the cops, but there is no social contract that demands something from this woman. We don't know her history, so stop calling her an idiot. -
arielbl wrote: Freshdirect ends up providing free, reasonably clean boxes to practically everyone in NY who moves. Think of it as an indirect public service!
Precisely! We've been saving those boxes for months and are all set for our big upcoming move! And I know some of you have said you've gotten like one thing alone inside a huge box, but ours are always packed pretty full. We also order a whole lot at once and then wait until we're down to popcorn and a few wilted baby carrots before ordering again--maybe that has something to do with it.
I agree with alafairnadia. I'd love to shop at the grocery store and the farmers market and all that. But I just don't have the time. And what free time I do have, I'd rather spend in other ways (such as cooking) than grocery shopping
And until the local grocery stores shape up with their fresh food quality, they'll be getting nothing but occasional emergency business from me. -
Pitu, I've been there and done that, and I have some bumpy portions of my skull thanks to 5 guys and a baseball bat in highschool to prove it (thanks to Cambridge's Finest for making sure it didn't go further). Hopefully I'm not going to go bald, because my head might look a little odd shaped without my hair to cover it up. Also got mugged by two guys with a gun in the subway earlier this year after leaving work.
This woman has been told in numerous posts on her blog that she should call the cops, yet she doesn't. If she's well enough to have discussions with Fresh Direct HR she's well enough to have the same discussions with a detective. I've done it, they're actually really nice to you.
There is most definitely a social contract. We all live it every day. We pay our taxes, the police protect us. That's one minor portion. Our end of the bargain is providing the means for them to do their jobs, their end is to provide the protection without violating our rights. When you opt out, either by concealing/not reporting a crime or taking things into your own hands you are in violation of that. -
"He next handed me his business card and told me the next time I ordered FD to hold up the card to the delivery guy and he would know not to hurt me."
Well, that about wins the inappropriateness contest. -
i don't understand why she did not call 911, i mean... i would have, but..
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Sad story all around. I have to agree with BrooklynSwordStyle, though. At this point, FD knows the identity of the deliveryman, so getting the cops involved would be straightforward. But people react differently to being victimized. Some get angry, while others retreat.
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I forgot to mention to RParkway, who wrote "one of their drivers was a convicted felon...that's really not cool....".
Believe it or not, convicted felons can turn their lives around, get jobs, and learn to obey the law.
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