Mugged by the Fresh Direct Delivery Guy?
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Jack Krohn wrote: I forgot to mention to RParkway, who wrote "one of their drivers was a convicted felon...that's really not cool....".
It should be ok to question their past record, a felony is not good. It be for tax fraud and it might be for rape, theres also the question of how long ago it occurred
Believe it or not, convicted felons can turn their lives around, get jobs, and learn to obey the law.
Certainly is this case if the driver has a past record it should be included in the discussion, which may not be in FD's best interest. -
BrooklynSwordStyle wrote: Flute, I am perfectly fine blaming the victim here. Of course she is not to be blamed for the crime that was commited, but she should be blamed for her irresponsible actions after the fact.
I really don't know why she didn't call the police. I admit it is a little confusing. Obviously it doesn't make sense that she didn't ... we'll probably never know what was going through her head.
Being a victim doesn't not mean you have no further responsibilities. It does not excuse you from life's duties. This is part of the social contract.
But, the fact is that she DID report it to the company AND pretty much announced it to the world via the blog, which spread to this blog and which, I assume spread to numerous other blogs, and therefore lots and lots of people are aware of the situation and talking about it. In a sense, she has inadvertently done her part ...
So now FD looks like a bunch of jerks, it's out in the open that this happened (again) and now, I think perhaps it might be incumbent upon FD themselves to deal more swiftly and effectively with the offender. And, perhaps, some individuals who are smarter, less intimidated, more intuned with said "social contract" than "Tessa" will make a big deal to FD themselves, AS WELL AS to the police. Not the ideal situation ... but perhaps the social contract now requires those of us who are aware of this to make a case.
And, not to forget: if this problem continues, The Court of Public Opinion could ultimately bring FD down. -
Flute's right on target. Public opinion, which affects business, often is what brings change. Smart companies act right away on things like this. Dumb ones wait until the actual hit in sales occurs.
FD should be more public about its actions in this matter, rather than trying to "handle" it in private. The idea of using the CMO's business card as a shield is not only laughable, but a telling bit of self-importance on the part of that guy. If I were the CEO, I'd be worried. -
queen_of_pies would kick the Fresh Direct guys ass!!! 8)
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vanilla wrote: i have nothing against fresh direct or the service itself; however, does anyone else consider their packaging to be excessive?
also, i agree with oiseau about the trucks in terms of insane driving and the whole huge parking problem.
also, the drivers frequently "cat-call" me while i am riding my bicycle. more so, for some reason, than with other drivers.
All of that is bad enough, plus the pollution caused by all those trucks driving around a city that has too many vehicles already..Its pretty outragous how peoples need for convenience overrides good sense about trying to take care of this enviornment we live in...what else is new? :roll: -
Please, tell someone to open a decent grocery store near me and I will stop using Fresh Direct. Otherwise, the huge increase in convenience overrides any guilt I might have.
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Just curious, but are there any other sources to corroborate this gals story? Maybe I missed something. This whole thing sounds a pretty screwy. Although, I must say, the bit about the business card as protective device... That seems perposterous enough to be true.
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Axel Foley wrote: Please, tell someone to open a decent grocery store near me and I will stop using Fresh Direct. Otherwise, the huge increase in convenience overrides any guilt I might have.
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Convenience. Ah yes, the great equalizer. Fuck the world, it's convenient for me! Wake up. -
Oiseau wrote: [quote=Axel Foley]Please, tell someone to open a decent grocery store near me and I will stop using Fresh Direct. Otherwise, the huge increase in convenience overrides any guilt I might have.
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Convenience. Ah yes, the great equalizer. Fuck the world, it's convenient for me! Wake up.
So where exactly does one draw the line in your world Oiseau? What other conveniences must we sacrifice to satisfy you? BTW, do you drive? Fly? Take cabs? Ever order from Amazon? Do you only order from restaurants that use bicycles for deliveries? What conveniences do you find acceptable? -
Oiseau wrote: [quote=Axel Foley]Please, tell someone to open a decent grocery store near me and I will stop using Fresh Direct. Otherwise, the huge increase in convenience overrides any guilt I might have.
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Convenience. Ah yes, the great equalizer. Fuck the world, it's convenient for me! Wake up.
I think that you're reading an emphasis on "near me," rather than "decent." C-Town is half a block away from me, but there's no way I'm buying their crap. With winter coming, I'm sure that I'll be signing up for FD delivery, too (I'll walk four blocks to a decent grocery store, but not four snow-covered blocks, plus no real selection at the farmer's market in the winter). -
Oiseau wrote: [quote=Axel Foley]Please, tell someone to open a decent grocery store near me and I will stop using Fresh Direct. Otherwise, the huge increase in convenience overrides any guilt I might have.
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Convenience. Ah yes, the great equalizer. Fuck the world, it's convenient for me! Wake up.
Oiseau, you've really woken me up to my profligate ways. Next time I'm eating a rotting banana from C-Town, I'll be thinking to myself, "Jeez, this sure is disgusting. But maybe somehow, I'm saving a dollar or two on fuel emissions! Yay, save the planet!" You probably voted for Ralph Nader.
P.S.--I'm thinking of buying a Hummer for the winter months to make the four block trek to C-Town a bit more bearable. -
Axel Foley wrote: Oiseau, you've really woken me up to my profligate ways. Next time I'm eating a rotting banana from C-Town, I'll be thinking to myself, "Jeez, this sure is disgusting. But maybe somehow, I'm saving a dollar or two on fuel emissions! Yay, save the planet!" You probably voted for Ralph Nader.
Oiseau is not as wrong as some would think.
P.S.--I'm thinking of buying a Hummer for the winter months to make the four block trek to C-Town a bit more bearable.
To put some perspective on this, I've known people of all ages/races who often do their shopping in other neighborhoods and bring their goods home via bags on the Subway. Heck, look at the chinese and asians who take the train out to Chinatown and then take the subway at Grand Street or Canal Street. It's quite common to do and people--young and old--do it all the time.
What's so hard about buying things, putting them in a bag and then riding the train? I know tons of people who do that and it works fine for many situations.
I've tried to accept "Fresh Direct" as an alternative, but the idea that poor local choice is the only factor is just a bit dellusional. There's a huge laziness factor at play. And that speaks towards the tons of "Fresh Direct" boxes you'll see on the streets of Park Slope were better shopping options are right down the street.
And Oiseau's thinking is about right as well. If there was a good local place, that would make a difference. But then again some wouild still make an excuse not to patronize it.
Places like "Fresh Direct" are decent in a way, but it's yet another service whose convenience is part of the reason there are few--if any--neighborhood stores worth visiting. -
Jack wrote: [quote=Axel Foley]Oiseau, you've really woken me up to my profligate ways. Next time I'm eating a rotting banana from C-Town, I'll be thinking to myself, "Jeez, this sure is disgusting. But maybe somehow, I'm saving a dollar or two on fuel emissions! Yay, save the planet!" You probably voted for Ralph Nader.
Oiseau is not as wrong as some would think.
P.S.--I'm thinking of buying a Hummer for the winter months to make the four block trek to C-Town a bit more bearable.
To put some perspective on this, I've known people of all ages/races who often do their shopping in other neighborhoods and bring their goods home via bags on the Subway. Heck, look at the chinese and asians who take the train out to Chinatown and then take the subway at Grand Street or Canal Street. It's quite common to do and people--young and old--do it all the time.
What's so hard about buying things, putting them in a bag and then riding the train? I know tons of people who do that and it works fine for many situations.
I've tried to accept "Fresh Direct" as an alternative, but the idea that poor local choice is the only factor is just a bit dellusional. There's a huge laziness factor at play. And that speaks towards the tons of "Fresh Direct" boxes you'll see on the streets of Park Slope were better shopping options are right down the street.
And Oiseau's thinking is about right as well. If there was a good local place, that would make a difference. But then again some wouild still make an excuse not to patronize it.
Places like "Fresh Direct" are decent in a way, but it's yet another service whose convenience is part of the reason there are few--if any--neighborhood stores worth visiting.
We're all busy people. When I do have the time to go food shopping, I certainly think it's reasonable for me not to want to go take the subway somewhere and lug a bunch of bags back. Yes, I realize that young and old people do this, but I would bet that most don't enjoy it, and they're probably getting specialized goods you can't get at the local store, or Fresh Direct. This is like saying "Come on, why don't you walk twenty minutes to the video store for the inferior selection and same prices instead of using Netflix?" I guess I'm not virtuous enough to be irrational.
My neighborhood does not fill a basic need--good groceries--and Fresh Direct has smartly filled that need. Yes, I agree that the way they use excessive packaging is wasteful, and I wish they didn't. But that alone will not stop me from wasting time and effort, and I remain completely unapolegetic about that. -
Axel Foley wrote: We're all busy people. When I do have the time to go food shopping, I certainly think it's reasonable for me not to want to go take the subway somewhere and lug a bunch of bags back. Yes, I realize that young and old people do this, but I would bet that most don't enjoy it, and they're probably getting specialized goods you can't get at the local store, or Fresh Direct. This is like saying "Come on, why don't you walk twenty minutes to the video store for the inferior selection and same prices instead of using Netflix?" I guess I'm not virtuous enough to be irrational.
Sorry, but this world was barren of all food before "Fresh Direct" and the gentrified zones of Prospect Heights were filled with emaciated masses starving in the street.
In all seriousness, this is the clincher. Before the Internet and "Fresh Direct" people did not go hungry. But listening to the arguments for "Fresh Direct" it makes it seem as if most people in yuppie Brooklyn were actually living in a barren wasteland.
There are options out there if you make an effort. If you don't make the effort you get what you get. -
Jack wrote:
and lucky for you that the food quality & selection in boerum hill far surpasses what we have here in prospect heights!
Sorry, but this world was barren of all food before "Fresh Direct" and the gentrified zones of Prospect Heights were filled with emaciated masses starving in the street.
In all seriousness, this is the clincher. Before the Internet and "Fresh Direct" people did not go hungry. But listening to the arguments for "Fresh Direct" it makes it seem as if most people in yuppie Brooklyn were actually living in a barren wasteland.
There are options out there if you make an effort. If you don't make the effort you get what you get.
washington avenue is not yuppie brooklyn. -
Yeah... what Vanilla said. Washington Avenue is most definitely not yuppie Brooklyn. You can't lump everything together like that--if I lived, for example, near the Key Foods on Fifth, I probably wouldn't be having this discussion. And the argument that people used to do things a certain way, so you should still do those things even though there are much better options available, strikes me as patently absurd. There's such thing in the world as "progress," and yes, if society is working correctly, people's standards go up over time. That can result in some bourgeois whining, but the net effect is good.
Jack wrote: [quote=Axel Foley]We're all busy people. When I do have the time to go food shopping, I certainly think it's reasonable for me not to want to go take the subway somewhere and lug a bunch of bags back. Yes, I realize that young and old people do this, but I would bet that most don't enjoy it, and they're probably getting specialized goods you can't get at the local store, or Fresh Direct. This is like saying "Come on, why don't you walk twenty minutes to the video store for the inferior selection and same prices instead of using Netflix?" I guess I'm not virtuous enough to be irrational.
Sorry, but this world was barren of all food before "Fresh Direct" and the gentrified zones of Prospect Heights were filled with emaciated masses starving in the street.
In all seriousness, this is the clincher. Before the Internet and "Fresh Direct" people did not go hungry. But listening to the arguments for "Fresh Direct" it makes it seem as if most people in yuppie Brooklyn were actually living in a barren wasteland.
There are options out there if you make an effort. If you don't make the effort you get what you get. -
Jack wrote: [quote=Axel Foley]We're all busy people. When I do have the time to go food shopping, I certainly think it's reasonable for me not to want to go take the subway somewhere and lug a bunch of bags back. Yes, I realize that young and old people do this, but I would bet that most don't enjoy it, and they're probably getting specialized goods you can't get at the local store, or Fresh Direct. This is like saying "Come on, why don't you walk twenty minutes to the video store for the inferior selection and same prices instead of using Netflix?" I guess I'm not virtuous enough to be irrational.
In all seriousness, this is the clincher. Before the Internet and "Fresh Direct" people did not go hungry. But listening to the arguments for "Fresh Direct" it makes it seem as if most people in yuppie Brooklyn were actually living in a barren wasteland.
There are options out there if you make an effort. If you don't make the effort you get what you get.
Of course there were options, but i still fail to understand why I should apologize for using Fresh Direct. There were more ecologically friendly options before motor vehicles, but you don't condemn those who drive to work, take cabs or drive to a vacation. I assume that you're not sitting in the dark reading this (let's not even discuss the electricity you've wasted powering your computer - there were options before computers), and that you turned on your air conditioner this summer. None of these are necessities. As i said in my previous post, I run or ride to work most of the time and take the train the rest of the time. I have driven less than 20,000 miles in the last 20 years, yet the holier than thou posters persist in criticizing those of us who use Fresh Direct. Reminds me of that hypocrite Barbra Streisand getting off her private jet and taking a limo to her mansion lecturing me on how to save the environment. Lose your car, AC and heat except when the conditions are dangerous, denounce ALL deliveries, and then we can talk. Until then, be it for convenience, quality, or because I want the damn cardboard boxes, i'm not apologizing. I'm off to club a baby seal now. -
joncane wrote: Of course there were options, but i still fail to understand why I should apologize for using Fresh Direct.
Who said anyone should apologize for anything? You have an opinion of "Fresh Direct" and so do I.
Sorry if I don't agree with you.
And of course Washington Avenue is not yuppie in anyway. But it seems that "Fresh Direct" is hedging their gentrification bets since they only tend to deliver in the neighborhoods in Brooklyn that are yuppie-ish. Try seeing if they deliver to 11235 (Coney Island), 11214 (Bensonhurst), 11232 (Sunset Park) and the like.
The facts stand. "Fresh Direct" knows their market and their neighborhoods. -
joncane wrote: So where exactly does one draw the line in your world Oiseau? What other conveniences must we sacrifice to satisfy you? BTW, do you drive? Fly? Take cabs? Ever order from Amazon? Do you only order from restaurants that use bicycles for deliveries? What conveniences do you find acceptable?
There's a difference between convenience and necessity. I don't order from restaurants for delivery. I can cook better myself at home. I don't walk to Europe. I haven't taken a cab in years. And yeah, I have ordered from Amazon but they don't have a truck driving like a maniac through my neighborhood, double parking and causing traffic and Amazon doesn't use excessive packaging.Axel Foley wrote: You probably voted for Ralph Nader.
You make this out to be a bad thing. You must be one of the new young republicans who have recently moved into PH. Oh but just so you know, I don't vote. Not because it's inconvenient, but because voting does diddley.
If you live in Prospect Heights then you are within walking distance of the Met Foods on Vanderbilt. If you are having a probelm lugging home grocery bags then get a cab for the same cost as the tip to the FD guy. -
Oiseau wrote: There's a difference between convenience and necessity. I don't order from restaurants for delivery. I can cook better myself at home. I don't walk to Europe. I haven't taken a cab in years. And yeah, I have ordered from Amazon but they don't have a truck driving like a maniac through my neighborhood, double parking and causing traffic and Amazon doesn't use excessive packaging.
Perhaps you haven't noticed the UPS drivers that bring your Amazon package. They drive every bit as wrecklessly as FD drivers and that's after the products are *flown* here for you. And going to Europe is not a necessity - flying there if you opt to go is. Just be honest - you rationalize the conveniences you choose to use and have a critical, holier-than-thou attitude about the others. -
Oiseau wrote: You make this out to be a bad thing. You must be one of the new young republicans who have recently moved into PH. Oh but just so you know, I don't vote. Not because it's inconvenient, but because voting does diddley.
I am certainly not a young Republican--I campaigned for John Kerry in New Hampshire last year. You just have that tinge of irrational idealism mixed with the sense of not knowing when to pick a winnable battle that often goes with being a Nader voter. But not voting is even better! You're right, it doesn't do much. And now I, one person, am going to stop using Fresh Direct in order to get those damn trucks off the street. Much like getting Bush out of office last year, this will surely work.
If you live in Prospect Heights then you are within walking distance of the Met Foods on Vanderbilt. If you are having a probelm lugging home grocery bags then get a cab for the same cost as the tip to the FD guy.
With all those cabs zooming by on Vanderbilt, I'm sure I'll be loving your advice when it's 20 degrees outside and I'm struggling with a bunch of bags. -
joncane wrote: Perhaps you haven't noticed the UPS drivers that bring your Amazon package. They drive every bit as wrecklessly as FD drivers and that's after the products are *flown* here for you.
Nobody orders from Amazon as much as they eat. Or receives as many residential deliveries from UPS as they receive "Fresh Direct" deliveries.
UPS/FedEx are special cases that most people don't deal with on a regular basis. "Fresh Direct" is designed for most people to receive multiple deliveries from on a weekly basis.joncane wrote: And going to Europe is not a necessity - flying there if you opt to go is.
Nobody flies to Europe as regularly as they would get "Fresh Direct" deliveries.joncane wrote: Just be honest - you rationalize the conveniences you choose to use and have a critical, holier-than-thou attitude about the others.
If I flew to Europe and received UPS/FedEx deliveries of things I could buy locally on a daily basis, maybe you'd have a point.
But you don't.
Now what Axel says.Axel Foley wrote: With all those cabs zooming by on Vanderbilt, I'm sure I'll be loving your advice when it's 20 degrees outside and I'm struggling with a bunch of bags.
So crossing a street with bags of food is difficult? What do you think people do in this city do when the weather gets bad? Or what they did before the Internet.
Sorry, but conversations like this make me appreciate being raised in this city when it was not so great--to say the least--and when people simply did what they had to do to have a decent existence. If half the people who used "Fresh Direct" were transported back in time to 1980, I'm sure they'd die and wither away in a few hours. The idea of bundling up, learning how to cross the street and carrying bags is so foreign it's primitive. -
Dude. Who orders from Fresh Direct on a "daily basis"? We get our deliveries every two weeks, sometimes three. We use it for the big stock-up shops that would break our arms to carry home from the nearest decent grocery store--which is FAR from Crown Heights. We get cases of stuff. I'd like to see you carry five large boxes' worth of food on the subway from Manhattan.
Look. For you it's a luxury. For some people it's just as necessary a convenience as any other utility-type service. It's unnecessary to make moral judgements about it. I'd love to go to a nice inexpensive and ecologically-minded coop for all my shopping needs, but where I am right now it is. not. feasible. It's just not. And until the day comes when I can do that without it being a major lifestyle overhaul, it's Fresh Direct for me. I save the boxes, I order a lot at once to make it worth it, and I feel good about it.
End of story.
ETA: Your 1980s analogy is ridiculous. In a situation without a certain convenience, you adapt to live without it. Nobody is saying they'd die without Fresh Direct--just like nobody would DIE without elecricity or the internet. But since it's available, the fact that it is not absolutely necessary to the continuance of my life doesn't mean I'm not going to use it.
That's a pretty high horse you're on there, my friend. -
Jack wrote:
So crossing a street with bags of food is difficult? What do you think people do in this city do when the weather gets bad? Or what they did before the Internet.
Now what Axel says.
[quote=Axel Foley]With all those cabs zooming by on Vanderbilt, I'm sure I'll be loving your advice when it's 20 degrees outside and I'm struggling with a bunch of bags.
Sorry, but conversations like this make me appreciate being raised in this city when it was not so great--to say the least--and when people simply did what they had to do to have a decent existence. If half the people who used "Fresh Direct" were transported back in time to 1980, I'm sure they'd die and wither away in a few hours. The idea of bundling up, learning how to cross the street and carrying bags is so foreign it's primitive.
Crossing the street? I don't live across the street from a good grocery store, and it is simply not unreasonable for me not to want to carry a huge amount of bags for over ten minutes when there's a far better option available. I didn't say it was difficult--it just doesn't make nearly as much sense as Fresh Direct for the big shops. If you like to punish yourself to remind you of the good ol' (bad) days in New York, be my guest. -
*sigh*
People used to be cordial on these forums. -
Axel Foley wrote: If you like to punish yourself to remind you of the good ol' (bad) days in New York, be my guest.
??? I don't consider walking to a store and carrying my own bags to be punishment in any way. It's simply black/white and no gray inbetween in your mind.
And the other point being made is outside of neighborhoods that have been gentrified (Park Slope, Fort Greene, etc...) and neighborhoods that are on the way towards being gentrified (Prospect Heights, Crown Heights, etc...) "Fresh Direct" does not exist in any way/shape/form. Are these necessarilly 'bad' neighborhoods, or non-Manhattanized neighborhoods?
People in these non-"Fresh Direct" neighborhoods seem to have no issues "punishing" themselves by picking, purchasing and carrying their own goods. It's been going on for years. Heck, some of the people who helped pioneer Prospect Heights did so without the aid of Netflix or "Fresh Direct" in anyway.BrookFetish wrote: *sigh*
Or more along the lines of all of the same mind and all in agreement. Veer outide of the 'hive mind' and you don't have a different opinion, but you're portrayed as an antagonist.
People used to be cordial on these forums. -
Jack wrote: [quote=BrookFetish]*sigh*
Or more along the lines of all of the same mind and all in agreement. Veer outide of the 'hive mind' and you don't have a different opinion, but you're portrayed as an antagonist.
People used to be cordial on these forums.
I wouldn't go that far, but I will say that I see a lot of people that don't recognize that we're dealing with opinions, not facts. Make your point, listen to others, take it with a grain of salt, move on. And no, this isn't directed exclusively at Jack- It's directed at all of you damn argumentative people!!!
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nybt wrote: ...It's directed at all of you damn argumentative people!!!
Rabble, rabble, rabble!!! -
daveb wrote: [quote=nybt]...It's directed at all of you damn argumentative people!!!
Rabble, rabble, rabble!!!
I'd be careful, my friend! I know where you live, I know where you go- I see all!!! :twisted: Your next Target experience will not be so pleasant!!! -
Jack wrote:
I don't understand your point. Fresh Direct started as a small pioneer program that slowly spread to neighborhoods that showed the most interest (by people going on the site and putting in their zip code.) They're not trying to exclude people, they're just following a completely normal business pattern and expanding where there is the business to support it. I don't see what you are trying to prove by pointing this out.
And the other point being made is outside of neighborhoods that have been gentrified (Park Slope, Fort Greene, etc...) and neighborhoods that are on the way towards being gentrified (Prospect Heights, Crown Heights, etc...) "Fresh Direct" does not exist in any way/shape/form. Are these necessarilly 'bad' neighborhoods, or non-Manhattanized neighborhoods?Jack wrote: People in these non-"Fresh Direct" neighborhoods seem to have no issues "punishing" themselves by picking, purchasing and carrying their own goods. It's been going on for years. Heck, some of the people who helped pioneer Prospect Heights did so without the aid of Netflix or "Fresh Direct" in anyway.
I picked out, purchased, and carried my own groceries for years. I didn't mind the shopping part at all, but the quality of the food, especially once I moved to CH, was terrible, and I hated carrying loads of groceries--particularly the times we needed beer!--long distances home. I can't even tell you how many times I literally pulled muscles in my arms that hurt for days afterward. But I did it, with minimal complaint, because I needed food and that's what I had to do to get it. Then a service became available to me that offered a better product at lower or equal prices and with the added benefit of delivery. Why would I NOT choose to take advantage of said service?Jack wrote: Or more along the lines of all of the same mind and all in agreement. Veer outide of the 'hive mind' and you don't have a different opinion, but you're portrayed as an antagonist.
Jack, I don't even know where to start with this. You are being just as dismissive of our points as you think we are of yours. Anything you don't agree with is "hive mind"? I'm not disagreeing with you because of what a bunch of people I've never met in my life think. I'm disagreeing with you because I think you're wrong.
And I also think it's stupid that we're embroiled in a heated discussion about a GROCERY SERVICE. If you don't want to use it, don't use it! I don't understand why it offends you that people in different circumstances than you might find it valuable.
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