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Vale of Cashmere/Rose Garden — Brooklynian

Vale of Cashmere/Rose Garden

easternpkwy
edited November -1 in Prospect Heights
It is really sad that even today, so many years into the 'renaissance' of Prospect Park, that such beautiful segments of the park as the Vale of Cashmere and the Rose Garden are deemed unsafe, and avoided by the majority of park-goers even during the broadest of daylight hours.

I fully understand why the area is avoided by most parkgoers: just look at the needles and used condoms littering the underbrush along the various tracks. It is close to GAP, very accessible, and yet totally secluded, with many twists and turns and elevation changes, and absolutely hemmed in by trees and bushes. If I were to engage in some similarly nefarious activity, I would be hard pressed to find a better, more convenient location.

But like so many other aspects of city life, the old quote pertains: all evil needs to triumph is for good people to do nothing. I don't mean to resort to moralizing or absolutes, but there should never be a single square foot of our parks - let alone entire sections! - where law abiding citizens should fear to tread. So long as we avoid these areas unnecessarily, they will continue to be havens for illicit activity, and the cycle will perpetuate.

So please - do yourself a favor - get 3 or 4 people together this weekend, and take a stroll into Prospect Park. Go in by the GAP entrance closest to Flatbush, and take the dirt path on your left just before the arch into the long meadow. Go up, and explore the area between the East Drive and the Flatbush Avenue edge of the park. The Rose Garden (unfortunately bereft of roses, but replete with overgrown hedges) is a lovely example of the formality of garden design; go down the hill to the Vale of Cashmere to see an equally stunning example of quasi-naturalism, a kind of contrived organicism (I was last there the weekend of the BBG's cherry blossom festival, and the white-purple blooms on the trees arching over and into the pond were breathtaking). You will note how close to the East Drive you remain at all times. During the day it is perfectly safe - in a group surely - so go, enjoy!

Comments

  • Um, as far as I understand it, for many years the Vale of Cashmere has been the go-to spot for gay guys looking for public sex. If you want to stroll through the middle of funky goings on- help yourself. I'll pass.
  • SJE:

    I guess delicacy is not a virtue in blogs: yes, that's exactly my understanding of what goes on there - it's a gay cruising ground.

    But I disagree with your response...I shouldn't have to be strolling through funky goings-on when I want to walk through that part of the park.

    Look, I am pretty much a 'do what you want to do just don't keep me from doing what I want to do" person...I don't want to constrain anyone from doing what they want to do, I have no problems with so-called deviant behavior (like sex in a public place) as long as no one gets hurt, and I dislike terming things 'normal' and 'deviant' in any case.

    But the problem here is that a pattern of behavior practiced by a handful's minority of park-goers is preventing the vast majority of park goers from doing what they want to do: by definition, this is minority rule, this is deviant (with a small d - no value judgments!) behavior, and we can change it by being physically present and using the park as we see fit.
  • I visit the Vale at least 3 times a week, it's my favorite place in Brooklyn for just sitting and thinking, plus a great spot for birdwatching. If there is cruising going on more power to them. Personally, I am happy that people are scared to go there, it makes it a nice peaceful place. The last thing I want is some asshole talking loud on his cellphone waltzing through and treating the whole world as his office, which happens all the time in The Ravine.
  • I didn't know people were scared to go there or that it was dangerous, I thought it was common {local} knowledge there was cruising going on. It's what it is. I walked through a similar section of Central Park once by mistake, ...... embarrassing. <(':oops:')> Personally, I prefer the openness of the Long Meadow.
  • I'm all for people getting their freak on (homo and hetero) but is this during the day when kids are going to wandering around after school especially exploring during the summer?
  • I didn't say it was ok to have public sex in the park, just that IT IS WHAT IT IS. I'm not defending it or poo-pooing it {no pun, etc}. Know what I mean? There's really no disagreement here. If non-cruising people want to reclaim that area, more power to ya.
  • It's not like there is sex right out in the open, they go into the wooded areas. I don't think there are children wandering around in those areas.
  • The cruising is really low-key, you'd almost have to know it was going on in order to detect it. Isa & I go there all the time and we've never seen any hanky-panky, just a disproportionate number of solitary men. And unless you're a solitary man and you shudder at the thought of possibly being propositioned you should have nothing to fear, certainly not in the daylight anyhoo. Plus, the vale is beautiful! I just wish they'd restore the rose garden.
  • I have some roses in my backyard, they are all climbers though. Anyways I tried cutting some off at the meristem and put them in a jar of wate to see if it would grow some roots. It really hasnt worked yet but they also havent died and one looks like there are some stubs forming. Anyone know anything about that, I've heard conflicting reports?

    Anyways, if it does work you can have them to plant there if its not illegal.
  • Isa wrote: It's not like there is sex right out in the open, they go into the wooded areas. I don't think there are children wandering around in those areas.
    I dont know either but I grew up near cadman plaza and I knew every hedge, nook and crannie of that park, granted its not nearly the same size.
  • Great pictures!

  • Hey there's a "natural" kids playground on the south side of the Vale now. A big sandbox area, stepping logs, some felled trees for walking on, a few "tree chairs", trunks with tunnels in them, etc. Theres also a water pump that pumps water onto a downed tree with a long groove on it. Its pretty cool.

    Also theres a big dirt area with a fence around it on the edge of the field where they play soccer, no idea what they are gonna put there

  • I'm pretty sure the fenced dirt area is just fenced for reseeding. The equipment used to construct the "play area" did a lot of damage to the field.

  • Grass seed will take care of the damage.

  • One of the dudes who has sex there in the woods and I had a long conversation the other day about the new installation. It's called a play area, but most of the wood is more of an art installation--you can't really play on it. No slides, swings, etc. It's just a bunch of trunks stood up on their ends and some tree discs used as stepping stones, imo. And it will all make it hard for the mowers to maintain the grass. And more importantly to me, it was one of the only quiet grassy spots left that I could hang out in the mornings and now it's full of screaming children (there are at least 6 playgrounds in the park already).

  • I am pretty sure it is paid for by a foundation, so the purpose of it from the park's point of view might be a way to earn some needed $.

  • The latest way in which the park will try to raise money to support itself:

    http://www.cityparksfoundation.org/calendar/upcycle-festlaunches-in-prospect-park/

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