Just a question for the Dafur guys.

armchair_warrior · January 2008

how come no attention for Kenya?

drano · January 2008

Zimbabwe ain't lookin' too hot either.

boygabriel · January 2008

Oh I think people are quite concerned with Kenya. I know I am. The NY Times and other liberal outlets have given it extensive coverage. Kenya is all the more tragic because it was one of the African countries that has been stable socially and economically.

People are quite concerned with Kenya but it's a different kind of concern when there's not the threat of 800,000 people dying in a genocidal orgy of starvation and terror the way they have in Sudan, you know?

Compared to the social, political and economic situations in countries that have seen genocide or mass-death in the past 20 years (Sudan, Rwanda, Congo), Kenya is a different kind of crisis.

doctorj · January 2008

My goodness, it's enough to give a liberal a cardiac hæmorrhage.

boygabriel · January 2008

So what's the connection between Kenya and Darfur? African people in trouble?

I don't see the point of this post. Kenya and Darfur couldn't be more different types of crises.

armchair_warrior · January 2008

sudan = oil interest and someone like china challenging America and European economic domance in the area.

Congo, kenya, Rwanda = still in American/European economic sphere and nobody is there to give a economic alternative. so the west basically don't give a rats ass.

there is no massive demonstrations in the west like they do have for dafur, when people were being killed in Rwanda(lack natural resources) and the Congo(still is) and now Kenya.

doctorj · January 2008

armchair_warrior wrote: sudan = oil interest and someone like china challenging America and European economic domance in the area.

Speaking of which, I quite enjoyed this in the nyt mag today:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/magazine/27world-t.html?em&ex=1201582800&en=96212016ffd08cbc&ei=5087

boygabriel · January 2008

armchair_warrior wrote: sudan = oil interest and someone like china challenging America and European economic domance in the area.

Congo, kenya, Rwanda = still in American/European economic sphere and nobody is there to give a economic alternative. so the west basically don't give a rats ass.

there is no massive demonstrations in the west like they do have for dafur, when people were being killed in Rwanda(lack natural resources) and the Congo(still is) and now Kenya.

So of the many large differences between the history and current crises in Sudan and Kenya, the one you're highlighting involves some kind of cynical manipulation conspiracy involving American activists at the hands of the US gov and business interests?

Yeah I'm not convinced.

Oil certainly plays a role in how Sudan is viewed internationally. But you're stretching and misrepresenting things to imply it is the main reason Darfur gets the most attention.

Just a question for the Dafur guys.

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