Doggie petition
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I understand the point that all of you are making and I certainly respect it. However, I'm sure that lots of people would agree with me and would support my cause. So, that is why I came for a little assistance on where the best forum is to help my cause.
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BrownStoneOwner wrote: I already apologized for my earlier remark, so comments from the FIDO rep and filmlover are not appreciated. Its amazing how most of the responses have just bandwagoned onto the hate and never answered my question.
OK, I'll be nice and ignore your racists comment to get to the underlying issue. I have a pup. I love my dog and take him walking in the park and around the neighborhood. I absolutely do not support off leash time all the time. Dogs are not people and I believe that people (read tax payers) have the right to walk in the park without having to worry about other dogs. There are crazy dog owners with crazy dogs. If you have not had the chance to meet these crazy dogs... just give it time. As dog owners, we have to share the park with everyone while recognizing there are many people who do not love dogs as much as we do. Those individuals deserve the right to walk in the park and my dog deserves the right to walk, on leash, without getting malled.
And please, do not try to do anything on your own here: based on your obvious ability to approach subjects gracefully, you will only hurt the situation. (please refer to your prior racists comment supported by the counter argument that you vote for Clinton!?!?, WHAT? Seriously, when you wrote that you thought the comment would not completely ruin your credibility?) -
BrownStoneOwner, as you get to know the neighborhood better, you'll discover that there is a "parental mafia" (my term) here; there are more infants, toddlers, and little kids than you can possibly imagine, and their mommies and daddies are extremely aggressive about ensuring their ability to survive and to become investment bankers, consultants, M & A lawyers, etc.
Those folks will not take kindly to the notion that their kids cannot play in Prospect Park without risk of being bitten if the cute little terrors (the kids, that is) annoy the wrong dog.
As someone who raised his own kids in the neighborhood (they are grown and living elsewhere), and who loves dogs to a fault, I would truly hate to see your dogs (or any dogs) put down because they were off leash and reacted out of fear or anger when harassed by small children.
On balance, I support the leash laws. -
^and also, to be fair, an environment with toddlers and off-leash dogs isnt really SUPER safe anyway...I mean, something as simple as knocking a kid down can result in injury. Not to say kids should be segregated from animals, but if i were a parent I'd like peace of mind in knowing that during hours X-X there is not going to be some overly rambunctious critter coming and lickin on my kid.
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Subject: Silly
To the person who just got to Brooklyn from Portland,
Your idea is very silly and your racist comments deeply offensive (but that has been covered already).
I am a dog lover and dog owner and firmly believe in off-lease and on-leash hours. I have a dog that does not do well with other dogs. I like to take her to the park, but only during on-leash hours to keep her and other dogs safe. Your comments reveal a level of entitlement and lack of consideration that gives dog owners a bad name. The current system works fairly well for all parties.
You should do some research before spouting off about things about which you know little. -
Subject: Apologizing is Good!
BrownStoneOwner wrote: Ok, I apologize for making the remark. I admit it might seem insensitive and I shouldn't have brought it up. It was merely an observation. Can we get back to the topic I originally brought up? Is there anybody who will hear these neighborly complaints and actually do something about it?
Apologizing is Good!
In fact, I would like to apologize for a horrible comment I made elsewhere that was totally uncalled for, and unlike me.
But, your problem with the leash law is common, and leash laws are getting very strict. On Chicago's lakefront I know the fines have gotten VERY steep. It's not to protect people from your Standard Poodle, it's to protect from the dogs who can be extremely aggressive.
Once again, I'm sorry for offensive post elsewhere.
IndianSlipper -
BrownStoneOwner wrote: I already apologized for my earlier remark, so comments from the FIDO rep and filmlover are not appreciated. Its amazing how most of the responses have just bandwagoned onto the hate and never answered my question.
It is totally unacceptable to make comments like that in this day and age. After offending our home and the people of New York please do not expect us to help you or sign your petition.
What is truly amazing is your lack respect for your neighbors while simultaneously asking us to be nice to you. Please don't read this comment and say that I've been nasty and that people from Brooklyn are mean. Quite the contrary. To be nice is to stand up for people against racism and calumny, which is exactly what everone here is doing.
Parks in New York are not only for the entitled they are for everyone. The reason you must keep your dog on a leash is so that fluffy doesn't attack someone because they are not white; get hit by a car; or get lost and increase the population of strays. -
C'mon folks - think about this post.
Hook. Line. Sinker. -
In no way did I ever think that my comment would be deemed racist, but rather an observation I made about a certain group of people. Amazingly there are other threads on this board where people mention race and nobody else gets all up in arms. The clinton comment I made earlier was meant as tangible evidence that I am not a racist. Obviously it must have rubbed some people the wrong way.
Furthermore, how did I offend the people of New York or Park Slope? I never made any disparaging remarks about the area. -
BrookFetish wrote: C'mon folks - think about this post.
You know what, you are right.
Hook. Line. Sinker. -
What on Earth does voting for Hillary have to do with being (or not being, as the case may be) racist? Hillary's white. You may not be **sexist**, but nothing you've written leads me to believe that you're not more than willing to generalize groups of people based on their negative reaction to your letting your dog run through their soccer/cricket/rugby/frisbee games during leash hours. (i.e "Black people and Mexicans") I'm sure plenty of white people are irritated as well.
Parks are shared space and the 9pm-9am offleash compromise is really very fair for all concerned. Not everyone loves or wants to deal with others' off-leash dogs and they shouldn't have to.
I suppose if you really want to pursue things, you can send your petition to the NYC Parks Dept, but don't expect it to go anywhere.... -
Mpmav1 wrote: [quote=BrookFetish]C'mon folks - think about this post.
You know what, you are right.
Hook. Line. Sinker.
I agree. This will probably be part of anniewilde's "conference."
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Subject: doggie pretition
Re: Your comment,"I used to live in Portland and no parks had these types of restrictions." Did you live in Portland, Maine, or Portland, Oregon? I live in Portland, Maine, and there are most definitely restrictions on where dogs can go off-leash. Here is the link to the city of Portland, Maine website which details those restrictions: www.ci.portland.me.us/voter/doggie.asp. -
Subject: Doggie Petition
:shock: Wow, BrownStoneOwner!
1. Us Brooklynites are all different colors! And we love the diversity here! That's one of the great things that make Brooklyn BROOKLYN!
2. Your insensitivity doesn't come from you making that observation. It comes from you making a point to share your observation.
3. I have a 5 years old son who loves doggies and was chased by one 2 years ago. Although the dog did not hurt him, he caused my son to run, fall and hurt himself. The dog was a neighbor's dog. We love dogs in Brooklyn, but we have to share our parks with babies, tots and humans (of all colors), so the leash laws have a purpose!
4. I may have been one of the BLACKS who told you to LEASH YOUR DOG! -
Mpmav1, you're right. I fell for it...so unBrooklyn of me!
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KevJr.Mommy wrote: Mpmav1, you're right. I fell for it...so unBrooklyn of me!
You must be from the West Coast.
(from Seattle myself. And yes, dog leash rules) -
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I didn't realize Monica had a dog. -
BrookFetish wrote: C'mon folks - think about this post.
Yep, the warning signs were indeed numerous.
Hook. Line. Sinker. -
^ahahahahhahahahaahahah
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Drano wrote: [quote=BrookFetish]C'mon folks - think about this post.
Yep, the warning signs were indeed numerous.
Hook. Line. Sinker.
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Where is the difference between this and many of the other subjects posted, where rather then discuss opinions everyone goes ballistic and try to insult anyone that has a different opinion.
I tend to think there is a lot of insecurity out there or some think they are on a co-op board . -
some of those comments on gawker were hilarious
"that dog looks like a douchebag" -
mr. met wrote: some of those comments on gawker were hilarious
"that dog looks like a douchebag"
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Looks like Mr. Met is definitely an Andrew Dice Clay fan -
I would hazard a guess that this is all a bait and hook item from the Gawker writer.
Gawker Media writers get paid a bonus according to how many page views they drum up. (http://www.ojr.org/ojr/stories/050412glaser/) So they come on a forum, stay stupid stuff they know will cause a commotion and then, viola, instant article.
As a further aside, the comments are actually done by the Gawker writers as another small way to increase traffic. The majority of them are not real. (http://gothamist.com/2008/01/23/gawker_commente.php)
Somehow I doubt this post will make it into the Gawker machine. -
In no way am I trying to sustain this thread, but I thought about doing a little research on Portland, Oregon just to see how other municipalities address this issue.
This is from their parks department website:
Portland has 31 off-leash areas (OLAs). Five are fenced, all-day areas. The remaining 26 are unfenced, with seasonal hours compatible with traditional park use patterns and adjacent uses. Boundary markers are in place at the unfenced sites. There are signs in each off-leash area with maps, rules, and a place to post notices. Users are asked to bring their own scoop bags.
Dogs must be leashed until reaching the designated off-leash area (OLA). Owners should always bring waste bags to clean up after their dogs. All off-leash sites are subject to regular closures for routine maintenance as well as longer term closures for restoration as needed. Off-leash users are expected to adhere to the leash law when the off-leash area is not available.
http://www.portlandonline.com/parks/index.cfm?c=39523
http://www.portlandonline.com/parks/index.cfm?c=38287
I like that there are times for dogs to be off leash, but I also like that there are times when they should be on because while running in the park (on the road) I've been chased by some aggressive dogs on a couple of occasions. -
ah, what the heck, here is what Portland, Maine has to say. Some restrictions and some "free range" areas....
Dogs must be on a leash in most areas of the City
Your dog must be on a 8 foot maximum leash on all streets and publicly owned property including Back Cove and the Skate Park. There are several areas where your dog can be on a longer leash or under voice control.
Dogs must be leashed (max. 25 feet) in the following areas:
• Bayside Park
• Baxter Pines
• Deering Oaks
• Dougherty Field
• Longfellow Park
• Quaker Park
• Stroudwater Park
• Western Prom
• Eastern Promenade (some areas in this location do allow for voice command, see below).
Dogs can be unleashed at the following locations (must be under voice command):
• Capisic Pond Park
• Evergreen Cemetery (to the north and west of Northern Ave)
• East End Beach (day after Labor Day to the day before Memorial Day)
• Hall School Woods
• Ocean Avenue Landfill
• Pine Grove Park
• Woods behind Portland Arts & Technology School (196 Allen Avenue)
• At North Street/Washington Avenue (behind Jack School)
• Riverton Park
• University Park
• Valley Street Park
• Any city owned island park areas and open space (unless posted otherwise).
• Eastern Promenade Park within the perimeter bounded by the Portland House Property, the water side of the Eastern Prom, and Cutter Street following around the curve of the parking lot (excluding the area known as Fort Allen Park).*
* This section of the Eastern Prom will be open to dogs under voice control from April 15 - October 15, 5 a.m. to 9 a.m. and from 5 p.m. to 10 p.m. each day. From October 16 through April 14 the times are 5 a.m. to 10 p.m. each day.
http://www.portlandmaine.gov/voter/doggie.asp -
Are dogs allowed off leash so that they can bite douche bags? Just wondering.
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Jamzer wrote: Are dogs allowed off leash so that they can bite douche bags? Just wondering.
my dogs are allergic to douche bags, so i try to keep them away. can't watch them every minute of the day, though, so the occasional douche gets bitten anyway, despite my best efforts!
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^i want to cuddle your dogs, they look so snuggleable.
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Carmen wrote: ^i want to cuddle your dogs, they look so snuggleable.
I've seen her dogs on walks with their dog walker. They ARE adorable, and the brown one gave me a good sniffing
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