Rev. Jeremiah Wright: Obama's Mentor for 20 years
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Boygabriel wrote: [quote=eggcream]Obama Che Guevara Flag ‘Scandal’
How is this relevant to a presidential campaign?
"That’s the Cuban flag with the image of Ernesto Che Guevara superimposed on it. It’s tacked onto the wall of an office in Barack Obama’s Houston campaign headquarters. An office belonging, apparently, to a low level staffer who’s in charge of setting up the office."
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2008/02/obama_che_guevara_flag_scandal/">
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2008/02/obama_che_guevara_flag_scandal/
Let's talk about Iraq instead, how about that?
actually, I'm cuban-american and I have major problems with anyone flying the cuban flag. fuck his stupid staffers - I hope obama has better sense. no, I don't agree with traditional american policy regarding cuba but I also do NOT agree that cuba's govt has been anything but horrible to its people. for those who are confused, please bear in mind that anyone hiv+ in cuba is put into a "camp". this is a country that boasts about having the best educated whores in the world. this is a country where "steak" is pounded out plantain skins flavored with vegetable stock, some yuca, and salt. if they're lucky. and yes, I know all of this both from the news and from actual cubans who've visited this country. and yeah, I've had conversations with them about this out in the ocean in miami beach because they're TOO SCARED to talk about it on land, where there could be someone spying.
blargh. I hate people who refuse to understand how frightening and horrible fascism is. -
alafairnadia wrote: [quote=Boygabriel][quote=eggcream]Obama Che Guevara Flag ‘Scandal’
How is this relevant to a presidential campaign?
"That’s the Cuban flag with the image of Ernesto Che Guevara superimposed on it. It’s tacked onto the wall of an office in Barack Obama’s Houston campaign headquarters. An office belonging, apparently, to a low level staffer who’s in charge of setting up the office."
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2008/02/obama_che_guevara_flag_scandal/">
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2008/02/obama_che_guevara_flag_scandal/
Let's talk about Iraq instead, how about that?
actually, I'm cuban-american and I have major problems with anyone flying the cuban flag. fuck his stupid staffers - I hope obama has better sense. no, I don't agree with traditional american policy regarding cuba but I also do NOT agree that cuba's govt has been anything but horrible to its people. for those who are confused, please bear in mind that anyone hiv+ in cuba is put into a "camp". this is a country that boasts about having the best educated whores in the world. this is a country where "steak" is pounded out plantain skins flavored with vegetable stock, some yuca, and salt. if they're lucky. and yes, I know all of this both from the news and from actual cubans who've visited this country. and yeah, I've had conversations with them about this out in the ocean in miami beach because they're TOO SCARED to talk about it on land, where there could be someone spying.
blargh. I hate people who refuse to understand how frightening and horrible fascism is.
yeah, i had -- or rather, i barely restrained myself from having -- an incredibly ugly fight with a nitwit on this topic last summer. i'm still internally screaming things at him that i didn't get to say at the time, due to a delicate social situation i was desperately trying to stay on the right side of.
but i think that, whatever my issues with that guy or my potential issues with this staffer, it doesn't have much to do with obama's campaign. -
Let me rephrase and be more accurate, my bringing up the War was the wrong example.
I think instead of the media, pundits and eggcream devoting time to a low level Houston-office staffer who put a Che/Cuba flag on the wall of a campaign office, we should be spending more time and energy discussing, say, the candidates' actual thoughts on Cuba policy.
A discussion of the act of putting up a Cuba flag is certainly worthwhile IMO, but not if we're* not going to also devote time to Cuba policy itself.
*the media, talking heads and the U.S. electorate -
Boygabriel wrote: I think instead of the media, pundits and eggcream devoting time to a low level Houston-office staffer who put a Che/Cuba flag on the wall of a campaign office...
Oh, is that what some people were up in arms about?
Please. That's like saying you're going to boycot Ford Cars because a mechanic at the local Ford service center has a pinup taped to the outside of his locker. -
queencallipygos wrote: Oh, is that what some people were up in arms about?
welcome to the typical level of discourse in American presidential races.
Please. That's like saying you're going to boycot Ford Cars because a mechanic at the local Ford service center has a pinup taped to the outside of his locker.
"I'm going to vote for George W Bush, I'd like to have a beer with him. Gore might not send us into Iraq or destroy the economy, but would you want to have a beer with him?"
- The American electorate, circa 2000 -
Boygabriel wrote: [quote=queencallipygos]Oh, is that what some people were up in arms about?
welcome to the typical level of discourse in American presidential races.
Please. That's like saying you're going to boycot Ford Cars because a mechanic at the local Ford service center has a pinup taped to the outside of his locker.
"I'm going to vote for George W Bush, I'd like to have a beer with him. Gore might not send us into Iraq or destroy the economy, but would you want to have a beer with him?"
- The American electorate, circa 2000
Yeah, but that's not saying "I don't want to have a beer with Gore", that's saying "I don't want to have a beer with Gore's PLUMBER, so I'm voting for Bush instead." The candidates' staffers =/= the candidates themselves. -
queencallipygos wrote: [quote=Boygabriel][quote=queencallipygos]Oh, is that what some people were up in arms about?
welcome to the typical level of discourse in American presidential races.
Please. That's like saying you're going to boycot Ford Cars because a mechanic at the local Ford service center has a pinup taped to the outside of his locker.
"I'm going to vote for George W Bush, I'd like to have a beer with him. Gore might not send us into Iraq or destroy the economy, but would you want to have a beer with him?"
- The American electorate, circa 2000
Yeah, but that's not saying "I don't want to have a beer with Gore", that's saying "I don't want to have a beer with Gore's PLUMBER, so I'm voting for Bush instead." The candidates' staffers =/= the candidates themselves.
funny that 90% of the shit the clinton campaign is getting is b/c of her staffers/campaign personnel. note that I posted this SAME FUCKING THING months ago. y'all are just pissed because it's obama getting shit on for something his staffers did.
and I do agree. I'd love to know obama's stance on cuba. what is it? -
alafairnadia wrote: [quote=queencallipygos][quote=Boygabriel][quote=queencallipygos]Oh, is that what some people were up in arms about?
welcome to the typical level of discourse in American presidential races.
Please. That's like saying you're going to boycot Ford Cars because a mechanic at the local Ford service center has a pinup taped to the outside of his locker.
"I'm going to vote for George W Bush, I'd like to have a beer with him. Gore might not send us into Iraq or destroy the economy, but would you want to have a beer with him?"
- The American electorate, circa 2000
Yeah, but that's not saying "I don't want to have a beer with Gore", that's saying "I don't want to have a beer with Gore's PLUMBER, so I'm voting for Bush instead." The candidates' staffers =/= the candidates themselves.
funny that 90% of the shit the clinton campaign is getting is b/c of her staffers/campaign personnel. note that I posted this SAME FUCKING THING months ago. y'all are just pissed because it's obama getting shit on for something his staffers did.
....Or, maybe the reason is because I honestly didn't SEE what you'd posted about Hillary's campaign before. Just a thought. :? -
alafairnadia wrote: funny that 90% of the shit the clinton campaign is getting is b/c of her staffers/campaign personnel. note that I posted this SAME FUCKING THING months ago. y'all are just pissed because it's obama getting shit on for something his staffers did.
Her staffers didn't claim to be under sniper fire in Bosnia...
and I do agree. I'd love to know obama's stance on cuba. what is it?
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queencallipygos wrote: [quote=alafairnadia][quote=queencallipygos][quote=Boygabriel][quote=queencallipygos]Oh, is that what some people were up in arms about?
welcome to the typical level of discourse in American presidential races.
Please. That's like saying you're going to boycot Ford Cars because a mechanic at the local Ford service center has a pinup taped to the outside of his locker.
"I'm going to vote for George W Bush, I'd like to have a beer with him. Gore might not send us into Iraq or destroy the economy, but would you want to have a beer with him?"
- The American electorate, circa 2000
Yeah, but that's not saying "I don't want to have a beer with Gore", that's saying "I don't want to have a beer with Gore's PLUMBER, so I'm voting for Bush instead." The candidates' staffers =/= the candidates themselves.
funny that 90% of the shit the clinton campaign is getting is b/c of her staffers/campaign personnel. note that I posted this SAME FUCKING THING months ago. y'all are just pissed because it's obama getting shit on for something his staffers did.
....Or, maybe the reason is because I honestly didn't SEE what you'd posted about Hillary's campaign before. Just a thought. :?
right. cause it was in the clinton thread. nice balance. -
Carnivore wrote: [quote=alafairnadia]funny that 90% of the shit the clinton campaign is getting is b/c of her staffers/campaign personnel. note that I posted this SAME FUCKING THING months ago. y'all are just pissed because it's obama getting shit on for something his staffers did.
Her staffers didn't claim to be under sniper fire in Bosnia...
and I do agree. I'd love to know obama's stance on cuba. what is it?
nope. but at least she can laugh at herself about it.
still waiting to hear obama's stance on cuba. -
alafairnadia wrote: funny that 90% of the shit the clinton campaign is getting is b/c of her staffers/campaign personnel. note that I posted this SAME FUCKING THING months ago. y'all are just pissed because it's obama getting shit on for something his staffers did.
I'm trying to talk about how broken our political discourse is, and you're cursing Obama supporters for not responding to your post months ago? Nice.alafairnadia wrote: and I do agree. I'd love to know obama's stance on cuba. what is it?
Neither Clinton nor Obama have given any comprehensive policy statements on Cuba. However by and large Obama doesn’t feel the U.S. policy of the past 40 years has achieved much. With regards to specifics, he would be much more willing to meet with Castro and other leaders without the unrealistic preconditions that the U.S. has demanded for years (just keep waitin for those democratic elections). His other main point is that the travel restrictions punish Cuban families for Castro’s crimes, and that’s morally wrong. Travel is a right, not a political tool.
On the flip side, Clinton has not suggested much that's radically different from the U.S. policy of the past 40 years. Nor has she offered much criticism of this failed policy.
In lieu of a comprehensive policy statement on Cuba, here are a few things I found:
An op-ed piece by Obama in the Miami Herald, which I can't find the original link for:When my father was a young man living in Kenya, the freedom and opportunity of the United States exerted such a powerful draw that he moved halfway around the world to pursue his dreams here. My father's story is not unique. The same has been true for tens of millions of people, from every continent -- including for the many Cubans who have come and made their lives here since the start of Fidel Castro's dictatorship almost 50 years ago.
Salon commentary on the above piece:
It is a tragedy that, just 90 miles from our shores, there exists a society where such freedom and opportunity are kept out of reach by a government that clings to discredited ideology and authoritarian control. A democratic opening in Cuba is, and should be, the foremost objective of our policy. We need a clear strategy to achieve it -- one that takes some limited steps now to spread the message of freedom on the island, but preserves our ability to bargain on behalf of democracy with a post-Fidel government.
The primary means we have of encouraging positive change in Cuba today is to help the Cuban people become less dependent on the Castro regime in fundamental ways. U.S. policy must be built around empowering the policy must be built around empowering the Cuban people, who ultimately hold the destiny of Cuba in their hands. The United States has a critical interest in seeing Cuba join the roster of stable and economically vibrant democracies in the Western Hemisphere. Such a development would bring us important security and economic benefits, and it would allow for new cooperation on migration, counter-narcotics and other issues.In August of last year, Obama caused a stir among both Florida's Cuban voters and the foreign policy community when he published an Op-Ed in the Miami Herald that advocated changing the U.S. government's policy toward Cuba. In the piece, Obama stated his support for lifting travel restrictions to and from Cuba. But unlike John Edwards, who also advocates easing travel regulations, Obama endorses a change in the amount of money (currently limited to $300 per household each quarter) that Cuban-Americans can send to family members on the island. In the Op-Ed, Obama wrote, "The primary means we have of encouraging positive change in Cuba today is to help the Cuban people become less dependent on the Castro regime in fundamental ways." As one Obama supporter pointed out to journalist Kirk Nielsen, what's really interesting about Obama's position is that it is essentially the same as former President Bill Clinton's. Obama has voted to end TV Martí, a U.S. effort to undermine Castro with TV and radio broadcasts, on two occasions, putting him in opposition to Hillary Clinton.
The WSJ:February 21, 2008, 8:35 pm
Clinton and Obama Differ on Cuba Policy
Susan Davis reports from Austin, Texas, on the Democratic debate.
Democratic presidential candidates Sens. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama engaged in a cordial disagreement over the future of U.S.-Cuba relations in the opening moments of the presidential debate taking place in Austin.
While both candidates said they were prepared to engage in vigorous diplomatic efforts to make democratic progress in the communist nation following Fidel Castro’s resignation announcement, Obama said he would agree to meet without preconditions with the next Cuban leader, presumed to be Castro’s brother Raul.
“We now have an opportunity to substantially change the relationship between” Cuba and the U.S., Obama said, cautioning that he would have an agenda that would include the release of political prisoners and democratic reforms. He also advocated for lowering travel restrictions for Cubans here to visit their family and vice versa. Obama called it an example of a “good faith” effort but he said he would not support lifting the trade embargo — a position he once advocated as a Senate candidate in 2003.
Clinton similarly said as president she would advocate a “full diplomatic engagement” but suggested that a presidential meeting with a Cuban leader would not be appropriate until there is proof that the nation has made steps toward reform. “I would not meet with him until there was evidence that change was happening,” she said... -
queencallipygos wrote: Yeah, but that's not saying "I don't want to have a beer with Gore", that's saying "I don't want to have a beer with Gore's PLUMBER, so I'm voting for Bush instead." The candidates' staffers =/= the candidates themselves.
Yeah, they're not direct parallels, however they both lack a certain degree of critical thinking. -
Boygabriel wrote: [quote=alafairnadia]funny that 90% of the shit the clinton campaign is getting is b/c of her staffers/campaign personnel. note that I posted this SAME FUCKING THING months ago. y'all are just pissed because it's obama getting shit on for something his staffers did.
I'm trying to talk about how broken our political discourse is, and you're cursing Obama supporters for not responding to your post months ago? Nice.
er, yeah. the holier-than-thou attitude is curse-worthy, frankly. it's petty and annoying and sinks to the level the obama team has been accusing the clinton team of being on ... which doesn't make sense, since the big criticism is fighting dirty and functioning on a scrappy level.
and yeah, that IS where our political discourse is right now. why? because that's what joe blow in kansas city wants to hear. there's little value in intellectual debate - speaking in ideals is obviously the best way to go in debates and speeches. dealing with reality ("no, we can't pull out of iraq tomorrow, dumbass") is generally a way to shoot yourself in the foot.
our political process and method of information dispersal is disgusting, I agree. and I hate that it disrupts the actual intellectual process. but no one outside of a a negligible percentage of people really give a shit about the reality of the situation. everyone else - whether they're voting repub or dem, obama or clinton - is all about traditional "politics". it's infuriating. I've been pissed for months. and I'm annoyed, yes, that just now obama supporters are feeling the sting of it and complaining. and maybe I'm a little satisfied, too. petty? sure. don't care. at least I'm honest about it. -
Boygabriel wrote: [quote=alafairnadia]and I do agree. I'd love to know obama's stance on cuba. what is it?
Neither Clinton nor Obama have given any comprehensive policy statements on Cuba. However by and large Obama doesn’t feel the U.S. policy of the past 40 years has achieved much. With regards to specifics, he would be much more willing to meet with Castro and other leaders without the unrealistic preconditions that the U.S. has demanded for years (just keep waitin for those democratic elections). His other main point is that the travel restrictions punish Cuban families for Castro’s crimes, and that’s morally wrong. Travel is a right, not a political tool.
On the flip side, Clinton has not suggested much that's radically different from the U.S. policy of the past 40 years. Nor has she offered much criticism of this failed policy.
In lieu of a comprehensive policy statement on Cuba, here are a few things I found:
An op-ed piece by Obama in the Miami Herald, which I can't find the original link for:When my father was a young man living in Kenya, the freedom and opportunity of the United States exerted such a powerful draw that he moved halfway around the world to pursue his dreams here. My father's story is not unique. The same has been true for tens of millions of people, from every continent -- including for the many Cubans who have come and made their lives here since the start of Fidel Castro's dictatorship almost 50 years ago.
Salon commentary on the above piece:
It is a tragedy that, just 90 miles from our shores, there exists a society where such freedom and opportunity are kept out of reach by a government that clings to discredited ideology and authoritarian control. A democratic opening in Cuba is, and should be, the foremost objective of our policy. We need a clear strategy to achieve it -- one that takes some limited steps now to spread the message of freedom on the island, but preserves our ability to bargain on behalf of democracy with a post-Fidel government.
The primary means we have of encouraging positive change in Cuba today is to help the Cuban people become less dependent on the Castro regime in fundamental ways. U.S. policy must be built around empowering the policy must be built around empowering the Cuban people, who ultimately hold the destiny of Cuba in their hands. The United States has a critical interest in seeing Cuba join the roster of stable and economically vibrant democracies in the Western Hemisphere. Such a development would bring us important security and economic benefits, and it would allow for new cooperation on migration, counter-narcotics and other issues.In August of last year, Obama caused a stir among both Florida's Cuban voters and the foreign policy community when he published an Op-Ed in the Miami Herald that advocated changing the U.S. government's policy toward Cuba. In the piece, Obama stated his support for lifting travel restrictions to and from Cuba. But unlike John Edwards, who also advocates easing travel regulations, Obama endorses a change in the amount of money (currently limited to $300 per household each quarter) that Cuban-Americans can send to family members on the island. In the Op-Ed, Obama wrote, "The primary means we have of encouraging positive change in Cuba today is to help the Cuban people become less dependent on the Castro regime in fundamental ways." As one Obama supporter pointed out to journalist Kirk Nielsen, what's really interesting about Obama's position is that it is essentially the same as former President Bill Clinton's. Obama has voted to end TV Martí, a U.S. effort to undermine Castro with TV and radio broadcasts, on two occasions, putting him in opposition to Hillary Clinton.
The WSJ:February 21, 2008, 8:35 pm
thanks for the info. this info is a little old, which is good, because it indicates that, once again, obama and clinton are probably going to end up being in the same bucket on this issue. raul has made some moves toward reform and will certainly make more, given the intense pressure the international community has put on him, as well as the internal pressure he's dealing with. fidel t'd up raul to become, if he can pull it off, the gorbachev of cuba. any candidate would be a fool to walk away from this opportunity. the miami cubans are going to make anything a royal pain in the ass, whoever we end up with in the white house, just because they're good at being pains in the ass and are incapable of reason on this issue. the more pressing issue is going to be negotiating the parceled out land and convincing the miami cubans that opening up cuba does not mean that cuba is for sale. of course, since my dad nearly got himself blown up over this crap 18 years ago, I hold very little hope for reasoning with these nutjobs.
Clinton and Obama Differ on Cuba Policy
Susan Davis reports from Austin, Texas, on the Democratic debate.
Democratic presidential candidates Sens. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama engaged in a cordial disagreement over the future of U.S.-Cuba relations in the opening moments of the presidential debate taking place in Austin.
While both candidates said they were prepared to engage in vigorous diplomatic efforts to make democratic progress in the communist nation following Fidel Castro’s resignation announcement, Obama said he would agree to meet without preconditions with the next Cuban leader, presumed to be Castro’s brother Raul.
“We now have an opportunity to substantially change the relationship between” Cuba and the U.S., Obama said, cautioning that he would have an agenda that would include the release of political prisoners and democratic reforms. He also advocated for lowering travel restrictions for Cubans here to visit their family and vice versa. Obama called it an example of a “good faith” effort but he said he would not support lifting the trade embargo — a position he once advocated as a Senate candidate in 2003.
Clinton similarly said as president she would advocate a “full diplomatic engagement” but suggested that a presidential meeting with a Cuban leader would not be appropriate until there is proof that the nation has made steps toward reform. “I would not meet with him until there was evidence that change was happening,” she said... -
alafairnadia wrote:
Well...yeah. I haven't been reading the Hilary threads, but NOT because I'm OMG SO MEAN HILARY HATER, I just...don't read the Hilary threads.....Or, maybe the reason is because I honestly didn't SEE what you'd posted about Hillary's campaign before. Just a thought. :?
right. cause it was in the clinton thread. nice balance.
There honestly isn't any insidious plan there. I don't watch NCSI either, but that doesn't mean I'm a Mark Harmon hater or anything, it just shakes down that way. -
queencallipygos wrote: [quote=alafairnadia]
Well...yeah. I haven't been reading the Hilary threads, but NOT because I'm OMG SO MEAN HILARY HATER, I just...don't read the Hilary threads.....Or, maybe the reason is because I honestly didn't SEE what you'd posted about Hillary's campaign before. Just a thought. :?
right. cause it was in the clinton thread. nice balance.
There honestly isn't any insidious plan there. I don't watch NCSI either, but that doesn't mean I'm a Mark Harmon hater or anything, it just shakes down that way.
NCIS, dude. yeesh. -
I think we can all agree that John McCain is a great candidate for an old folks' home.
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Boygabriel wrote: I think we can all agree that John McCain is a great candidate for an old folks' home.
100% -
alafairnadia wrote: [quote=queencallipygos][quote=alafairnadia]
Well...yeah. I haven't been reading the Hilary threads, but NOT because I'm OMG SO MEAN HILARY HATER, I just...don't read the Hilary threads.....Or, maybe the reason is because I honestly didn't SEE what you'd posted about Hillary's campaign before. Just a thought. :?
right. cause it was in the clinton thread. nice balance.
There honestly isn't any insidious plan there. I don't watch NCSI either, but that doesn't mean I'm a Mark Harmon hater or anything, it just shakes down that way.
NCIS, dude. yeesh.
And to conclude this thread with a truly bizarre tangent: there is a cast member on NCIS whom I worked with once; she was the star in a workshop of a goth musical I was the ASM for about a girl who falls for a vampire. She was very nice, and remembered me when she ran into me at Pearl River Mart six months later. Then six months after that I heard she was joining the show as an Israeli agent or something like that.
But she was very nice and I'm glad she's getting regular acting work. The end. (bows) -
alafairnadia wrote: [quote=Boygabriel]I think we can all agree that John McCain is a great candidate for an old folks' home.
100%
He's like Grandpa Simpson, but FAR less lovable. -
So now Barry Hussein is throwing his pastor under the bus. Too late, should have done that long ago Bar. Can't wait for Wright's response.
Walter Williams: "For the nation and for black people, the first black president should be the caliber of a Jackie Robinson and Barack Obama is not. Barack Obama has charisma and charm but in terms of character, values and understanding, he is no Jackie Robinson. By now, many Americans have heard the racist and anti-American tirades of Obama's minister and spiritual counselor. There's no way that Obama could have been a 20-year member of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's church and not been aware of his statements."
Thomas Sowell: "It is painful to watch defenders of Barack Obama tying themselves into knots trying to evade the obvious. Some are saying that Senator Obama cannot be held responsible for what his pastor, Jeremiah Wright, said. In their version of events, Barack Obama just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time—and a bunch of mean-spirited people are trying to make something out of it."
Shelby Steele writes: “Obama has fellow-traveled with a hate-filled, anti-American black nationalism all his adult life, failing to stand and challenge an ideology that would have no place for his own (white) mother." -
i'd hate to be responsible for some of the things those around me say.
i think lots of people are in a position of not agreeing with everything their pastor (etc.) says. (incidentally: this is part of why i think it's so stupid of many democrats to insult and otherwise write off church-goers. but that's another soapbox for another day.) -
I love you eggcream!
Compassionate Conservatism! -
eggcream wrote: So now Barry Hussein is throwing his pastor under the bus. Too late, should have done that long ago Bar. Can't wait for Wright's response."
So what? John McCain's still down with his Nazi, anti-Catholic minister buddy.
...Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot that I was supposed to come up with a stupid name too -- how would you translate "McCain" into German?.... -
sweet tea wrote: i think lots of people are in a position of not agreeing with everything their pastor (etc.) says. (incidentally: this is part of why i think it's so stupid of many democrats to insult and otherwise write off church-goers. but that's another soapbox for another day.)
Word. If I had a dollar for each of the Vatican's positions that I ignore... :money: -
queencallipygos wrote:
Um... howabout "Johannes von Kahn"
...Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot that I was supposed to come up with a stupid name too -- how would you translate "McCain" into German?.... -
This guy says it so much better than I could.
Father Pfleger on Reverend Wright and Louis Farrakan
Note: its a long clip, but its worth watching the whole thing -
(sorry for the double post, but it works in both threads so...)
No one would be responsible held responsible for what every person around them says. But Rev. Wright bugs me and he is hurting Obama (outside of Brooklyn). But it doesn't surprise me that his ego would not let him stay quiet for long (proving Obama's camp is not coordinating with him on any level).
It is unfair that Obama is being asked to apologize for every association he has ever had and the same is not being asked of Hillary, McCain, Bush or Cheney (Bill Clinton pardoned two members of the radical group Weather Underground...Obama was on the same board...so what?).
If the attempt by Obama haters (especially those in the Democratic Party) is to make him "unelectable", that is the END of the Democratic Party as we know it. And no black person born before 1980 could ever run for political office, because every black person has " a Rev. Wright" in their family, history or past ( someone critical of America).
If after 8 years of Bush/ Cheney, a man like Barrack Obama is somehow made to be "unqualified" to run, we are truly lost. If this is the game, it's a losing one.
Rev. Wright (and a lot of other older, complaining black folks) need to get out of his/ their own way. He has a nice big house to retire to here in "AmeriKKKa", as he calls it (but that is another thread). -
Eggcream,
Why the obsession with Obama's middle name?
What clever subliminal message are you trying to send to us?
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