Large Number of White People on Putnam
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Good grief. You are a little slow, aren't you? Don't worry about it, and I'm glad you have an imaginative fantasy life. I hope it works out well for you.
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daver wrote: Good grief. You are a little slow, aren't you? Don't worry about it, and I'm glad you have an imaginative fantasy life. I hope it works out well for you.
you are the short bus special here not me[/b] -
MOD NOTE: ENOUGH. Drop the personal B.S. or the thread will be locked.
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Subject: I use this to try to stop wankfests in mid-stream sometimes:
(runs in and starts singing to distract everyone)
Any old iron, any old iron,
Any any any old iron,
You look neat, talk about a treat,
You look dapper from your napper to your feet,
Dressed in style, brand new tile,
And your father's old green tie on,
But I wouldn't give you tuppence for your old watch chain,
Old iron, old iron!
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i'm a black woman and i don't say hi to every tom, dick, harry and jane i pass on the street. occasionally i make eye contact and smile, but i'm often too wrapped up with what happened to me five minutes before, the five things i can't forget to pick up at the grocery or anything else that's in my head to exchange greetings. so there's a good chance i don't acknowledge you because i'm just. not. thinking. about. you.
like someone said earlier, this ain't mayberry. i'm glad to live in a city that affords a bit of anonymity.
in fact, i probably get fewer hellos from black people than i do white (which really has more to do with the fact that i pass exponentially more black people), but does that make black folks who've been on my street for years unwelcoming? that's the furthest assumption from my mind.
i'm sure most other self-absorbed americans can relate when i say, sometimes it just ain't about you, sugar. -
LeffertsGirl wrote: i'm a black woman and i don't say hi to every tom, dick, harry and jane i pass on the street. occasionally i make eye contact and smile, but i'm often too wrapped up with what happened to me five minutes before, the five things i can't forget to pick up at the grocery or anything else that's in my head to exchange greetings. so there's a good chance i don't acknowledge you because i'm just. not. thinking. about. you.
This. Yes.
like someone said earlier, this ain't mayberry. i'm glad to live in a city that affords a bit of anonymity.
in fact, i probably get fewer hellos from black people than i do white (which really has more to do with the fact that i pass exponentially more black people), but does that make black folks who've been on my street for years unwelcoming? that's the furthest assumption from my mind.
i'm sure most other self-absorbed americans can relate when i say, sometimes it just ain't about you, sugar. -
the last time there was a thread like this, i stated that sometimes i just don't feel like saying hello (i always respond when someone says hi, but don't always initiate), and got the standard "jeez, why's it so hard to say hello, you jerk???" so i made a concerted effort to try to say hello more. then one day, walking down Hanson place, i said hello to a young man, whose response was "shut up!" after that, i was back to feeling that i will say hello when i want to and if you don't like it, tough.
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OP - yeah because big-city residents are so damn friendly all the time. :roll:
Those "white" people don't speak to you because they're under no obligation to speak to you. Just like I - a Black and Latino man -have no obligation to speak to you or anyone else.
Who the hell are you or anyone to demand and expect conversation and eye contact and war smiles and hugs and kisses and brotherly/sisterly connection from every person they accost in the street? If you're that starved for attention and affection, get a puppy.
If someone's feeling chatty and friendly, maybe they'll say Hi. Maybe they won't. Don't matter none.
Here's an idea, don't like having people not say Hi to you when you say Hi? Stop saying Hi to people. Maybe you're creepy looking and no one's ever gonna say Hi to you, ever.
And to that woman who got the "My friend said HELLO..." pair of jerks - they're jerks and I would have told'em to go screw.
But, I swear. I'm quite friendly. -
I think most people are friendly and will say hello if they recognize that you are basically sincere. Being a man though is different when it comes to saying hello because a woman responding to hello can set herself up for additional comments and suggestions. To be honest, in certain neighborhoods you will get a better response then in others. It may be the make up of the neighborhood, where people are originally from etc. Personally, I have found that a lot of people that are not from New York tend to be ruder and less friendly then New Yorkers, but that is only my personal perspective.
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Subject: Ive been here for almost 4yrs..
And everyone knows me on my block (Putnam and Throop) by my first name, they look out for me, my kids, and my car. I dont say hi to everyone I see, but the people that I see almost everyday, yes, I do. Regardless of color.
Now, I can understand not saying hi to everyone. I can give plenty of instances that I have walked home and some guy has said hi to me.....on several occassions men take saying HI as an invite to converse and attempt to walk me home or pick me up. I just dont want to give anyone the wrong idea. -
When strangers say hi to me its to ask for money.
When they ask the time or directions they don't bother to say hello.
If they want to talk about the weather or politics or the train being late they also don't bother with a hi. -
Karka wrote: When strangers say hi to me its to ask for money.
I guess you look rich?
When they ask the time or directions they don't bother to say hello.
If they want to talk about the weather or politics or the train being late they also don't bother with a hi.
When I'm walking down the street what typically happens is that people acknowledge you by making contact followed by a hello if you're energy, demeanor, etc is "okay". There are instances not "all" of the time where someone is trying to get something from you i.e. hit you up for money.
My experience as a black man with white people in my neighborhood is that they seem very afraid, they don't look at you and they ignore you hoping you'll disappear. -
Subject: Re: Ive been here for almost 4yrs..
DFLOW wrote: And everyone knows me on my block (Putnam and Throop) by my first name, they look out for me, my kids, and my car. I dont say hi to everyone I see, but the people that I see almost everyday, yes, I do.
This is exactly how it is around my way and its a beautiful thing. -
BassPlaya wrote:
My experience as a black man with white people in my neighborhood is that they seem very afraid, they don't look at you and they ignore you hoping you'll disappear.
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WTF? I'm white. How come nobody hits me up for money?
Really. Anything based on "white people in my neighborhood" or "black people in my neighborhood" just seems silly to me. For my two cents, most of the white people in my neighborhood are cool, and most of the black people in my neighborhood are cool as well. Every once in awhile you run into a nutjob, and I find that nutjobs come in all races. *shrug* -
daver wrote: WTF? I'm white. How come nobody hits me up for money?
maybe you look like a brokeass -
Anonymous wrote: [quote=daver]WTF? I'm white. How come nobody hits me up for money?
maybe you look like a brokeass
...Um, guest? if that's the way you talk to people, I'm not surprised people aren't saying "hi" back to you.
Sometimes it isn't about race, everyone. -
daver wrote: WTF? I'm white. How come nobody hits me up for money?
Your experience in your neighborhood does not represent everyones. In your experience there's no spousal abuse but that doesn't mean there isn't someone getting their ass beat by their partner two doors away from you.
Really. Anything based on "white people in my neighborhood" or "black people in my neighborhood" just seems silly to me. For my two cents, most of the white people in my neighborhood are cool, and most of the black people in my neighborhood are cool as well. Every once in awhile you run into a nutjob, and I find that nutjobs come in all races. *shrug* -
Well, duh.
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Has anyone found this thread to be anything more than predictable? But electrons are cheap!
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Most dialogue on this board is predictable. Wouldn't you agree?
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BassPlaya wrote: [quote=daver]WTF? I'm white. How come nobody hits me up for money?
Your experience in your neighborhood does not represent everyones. In your experience there's no spousal abuse but that doesn't mean there isn't someone getting their ass beat by their partner two doors away from you.
Really. Anything based on "white people in my neighborhood" or "black people in my neighborhood" just seems silly to me. For my two cents, most of the white people in my neighborhood are cool, and most of the black people in my neighborhood are cool as well. Every once in awhile you run into a nutjob, and I find that nutjobs come in all races. *shrug*
(whispering) I think that was his point. -
first off, I think this dialogue got really retarded, really quick.
second. there is no right answer here.... some people are are comfortable saying hi to strangers, some people arent. some people are racist, some people arent. some people feel intimidated by strangers, some people dont. and thats that.
I personally like it when people say hi to me on the street, and as long as im not too absorbed in my own head to realize whats going on until the moment has passed, I will say hi back. So please, continue to be friendly, and the people who appreciate it will appreciate it. You shouldnt take it personally if some people would rather just be left to themselves. -
Putnam-denizen wrote: Has anyone found this thread to be anything more than predictable? But electrons are cheap!
Quantum mechanically speaking, that statement is inherently inaccurate. By the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, the extent to which you can know an electron's price is inversely proportional to the extent to which you can know its usefulness in promoting meaningful online discussion.
More specifically, if you define P to be price and U to be usefulness, the Uncertainty Principle states that (using the prefix d to identify the SPREAD of values, highlighting the inherent "fuzzy" nature of quantum measurements):
the product (dP)(dU) >= h/(2Pi) where h is Planck's constant of proportionality between a photon's energy and frequency.
So that there is a fixed limit to how accurately one can measure such things. -
I don't think this thread is retarded.
I think that the neighborhoody hello is an interesting place to work out all kinds of anxiety about gentrification--for everyone.
I'm a white homeowner who moved to Bed Stuy about a year ago. In general, I really like the hello, and I like feeling more like I am part of the neighborhood because I say hello to people on the street myself.
But for such a simple gesture, it sure means a lot of different things to a lot of different people! Hello can be about:
*spreading pleasantness
*neighborhood pride
*flirting
*something sexual that's more predatory than flirting
*testing someone to see whether they're exploitable
*black people testing white people's intentions
*white people broadcasting their well-meaning intentions to black people
*validating other people
*needing to be validated
The list goes on and on. I really like Bed Stuy because it has this inherent openness--it's wonderful to live someplace where people want to talk to eachother.
But I don't mind admitting that I spend a lot of time parsing hellos to and from people. I ask myself often whether I am saying hello to people to be nice or to prove that I am "not a racist," or that I am not afraid of black men. And I ask myself why the people who say hello do so.
I notice a lot of weird things about hello. I notice that as I walk down toward Stuy Heights, people look like they have more money and people don't say hello as much. Is hello a function of class, then? The few times I have blurted a hello to a black neighbor who looks like they earn more money than I do, I've felt like a total schmuck--like I don't understand the rules of the hello game. It felt totally patronizing, and that makes me wonder whether saying hello to other people is just as patronizing, but that my patronizing behavior is important or accepted.
Hello in front of a project feels almost crucial, and I worry that saying hello is a patronizing act in this instance.
Hello is a minefield! I still do it, and I still love it, because you wind up meeting a lot of interesting people by saying hello. I think we can't live together if we can't work through some basics, like how and when to say hello to one another. But the original poster is right to have questions about white snobbery when it comes to hello. And I am just as right to throw back my own fears about being a patronizing, colonizing, gentrifying asshole. -
Thank you! That was a great analysis. You should register!
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Anonymous wrote: I don't think this thread is retarded.
I never realized that Andy Rooney lives in Fort Greene!
I think that the neighborhoody hello is an interesting place to work out all kinds of anxiety about gentrification--for everyone.
I'm a white homeowner who moved to Bed Stuy about a year ago. In general, I really like the hello, and I like feeling more like I am part of the neighborhood because I say hello to people on the street myself.
But for such a simple gesture, it sure means a lot of different things to a lot of different people! Hello can be about:
*spreading pleasantness
*neighborhood pride
*flirting
*something sexual that's more predatory than flirting
*testing someone to see whether they're exploitable
*black people testing white people's intentions
*white people broadcasting their well-meaning intentions to black people
*validating other people
*needing to be validated
The list goes on and on. I really like Bed Stuy because it has this inherent openness--it's wonderful to live someplace where people want to talk to eachother.
But I don't mind admitting that I spend a lot of time parsing hellos to and from people. I ask myself often whether I am saying hello to people to be nice or to prove that I am "not a racist," or that I am not afraid of black men. And I ask myself why the people who say hello do so.
I notice a lot of weird things about hello. I notice that as I walk down toward Stuy Heights, people look like they have more money and people don't say hello as much. Is hello a function of class, then? The few times I have blurted a hello to a black neighbor who looks like they earn more money than I do, I've felt like a total schmuck--like I don't understand the rules of the hello game. It felt totally patronizing, and that makes me wonder whether saying hello to other people is just as patronizing, but that my patronizing behavior is important or accepted.
Hello in front of a project feels almost crucial, and I worry that saying hello is a patronizing act in this instance.
Hello is a minefield! I still do it, and I still love it, because you wind up meeting a lot of interesting people by saying hello. I think we can't live together if we can't work through some basics, like how and when to say hello to one another. But the original poster is right to have questions about white snobbery when it comes to hello. And I am just as right to throw back my own fears about being a patronizing, colonizing, gentrifying asshole.
Seriously though, you should register. -
white people are soooo weird!!!
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Take out the word "white" and I'd agree.
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take out the word "white" and replace the word "weird" with stupid and i'd agree.
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