On how Obama is remaking the Dem Party and American Politics
I offer this blog post in response to all the comments I've seen here and elsewhere that Obama's messages of change and hope are empty rhetoric.
Wrong. There are extremely tangible and effective ways in which Obama is doing things differently. From his campaign, to his staffers, to his fundraising and political machine.
Change for the better.
original link here.
Wrong. There are extremely tangible and effective ways in which Obama is doing things differently. From his campaign, to his staffers, to his fundraising and political machine.
Change for the better.
original link here.
18 wrote: Obama's Consolidation of the Party[/size]
Matt Stoller
Posted May 8, 2008 | 10:39 AM (EST)
This piece relies on rumors going around donor and activist circles. It is cross-posted at OpenLeft.
Brownsox at Dailykos blogs.That is stunning. The primary has been exceptionally good for party building. Obama has created a number of significant infrastructure pieces through his campaign, displacing traditional groups the way he promised he would by signaling the end of the old politics of division and partisanship.
Over 1.25 million Indianans voted yesterday for Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama in the Democratic presidential primary.
Over 1.1 million Indianans voted for Jill Long Thompson or Jim Schellinger in the Democratic primary for Governor of Indiana.
In 2004, Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry received 969,000 votes in the state of Indiana...in the general election.
1. Voter Registration: Obama has launched a 50 state registration drive."That's why I'm so proud that today our campaign announced a massive volunteer-led voter registration drive in all 50 states to help ensure every single eligible voter takes part in this election so we can take back Washington for the American people."I have heard from several sources that the Obama campaign is sending out signals to donors, specifically at last weekend's Democracy Alliance convention, to stop giving to outside groups, including America Votes. The campaign also circulated negative press reports about Women's Voices Women's Vote, implying voter suppression.
2. Obama Organizing Fellows: Here's Obama describing them:Basically what we've done is we've been attracting so much volunteer talent, so many young people who have gotten involved in the campaign, that we wanted to give a handful of them an opportunity to have some more intensive training. So we've asked them to apply for fellowships. I think they're called Obama Fellows. They will get intensive training, and they will be put on staff and will have an experience, starting in June.These are unpaid positions, and they will be used to do field organizing, message, and helping to "continue to build the movement". This is pure leadership development, though it continues the class-based diminution of talent by refusing to pay, a problem outlined in Crashing the Gates.
3. Money: MyBarackObama.com: With 1.5 million donors, this campaign has blown away anything we've ever seen in terms of grassroots fundraising. The technology is all centralized, so Obama knows the name, address, giving patterns, and occupation of every donor out there, as well as social networking information, like who the best raisers are. He has bypassed Actblue, and will probably end up building in a Congressional slate feature to further party build while keeping control of the data.
One email from Moveon to their full list can bring in between $100k to $1M for a candidate, with $1M being the very top end of the range. With one good email to his list, in a few months, Obama will probably be able to bring in $1-3M for a Senate candidate under attack or split that among several. 10-20% of the money going to Senate candidates this cycle might come from Barack Obama's internet operation. Stunning.
4. Field: MyBarackObama.com (MyBO): MyBarackObama.com is the cornerstone of the campaign, and it will have between 10-15 million opt-in members by election day. This group can be used for lobbying on legislation, GOTV, and donations. It's a cross between Moveon.org and the DNC, and with the White House, it can transform progressive politics and further amplify the power of the Presidency. As coordinated campaigns pick up, and the top of the ticket brings coattails, organizing power is going to further flow to the Obama campaign.
5. Message and Politics: MyBarackObama.com: Obama used YouTube to push back on Reverend Wright, something he will continue to do to move beyond sound bite politics. He has a good press shop and a way to push message out to the web. The campaign has also, despite thousands of interviews with a huge number of outlets, refused to have Obama interact on progressive blogs. The Fox News situation, where Obama went on Fox News and mismanaged communications, drew criticism from Moveon because taking down Fox News has been a key strategic goal of that organization; nevertheless, the group supported him because of overwhelming adulation from their membership.
This is a far different strategy than the McCain campaign, who, though he hates blogs, talks to them, or the Clinton campaign, who invites them on her calls. This is NOT a criticism, by the way, it's obviously worked as a strategy to centralize messaging power around the Obama shop while neutering a potentially off-message rowdy group. That has its downsides, which I'll get into, but it is a strategy.
I'm also told, though I can't confirm, that Obama campaign has also subtly encouraged donors to not fund groups like VoteVets and Progressive Media. These groups fall under the 'same old Washington politics' which he wants to avoid, a partisan gunslinging contest he explicitly advocates against.
You know all that old-style Washington politics preventing real change? As hard as it might be to handle, in a lot of ways he means that those of us who believe in partisan hard edged combat are part of an outmoded system. It doesn't actually divide cleanly; old hand Tom Daschle is a key figure and likely to be Obama's chief of staff, and Artur Davis is likely to be his Attorney General. These are old school Democrats, and Obama's machine is full of the Congressional wing of the party that lost out in 1992 to Clinton and his people.
This isn't a criticism; again, Obama made his bet that the country isn't into ideological combat and wants a politics of unity and hope, and he has won at internally. In terms of the 'Iron Law of Institutions', the Obama campaign is masterful. From top to bottom, they have destroyed their opponents within the party, stolen out from under them their base, and persuaded a whole set of individuals from blog readers to people in the pews to ignore intermediaries and believe in Barack as a pure vessel of change. It's actually very similar to Clinton from 1994-2000, where power and money in the Democratic Party is being centralized around a key iconic figure. He's consolidating power within the party.
Now here's the part that's unclear. Obama has successfully remade the Democratic Party already, and shown that old partisan Washington politics is over if you are a Democrat. Can he do that with Republicans? By stripping power, money and responsibility from outside groups and opponents, Obama is increasing his control of the party apparatus. He is also, however, putting everything on his own shoulders. When the Swift Boaters come back, and they will, it's all on Obama and his movement to hit back. He's betting that he can strip power from their base just as he stripped power from the old Washington way of doing politics within the Democratic Party.
I do not doubt that he can do this during the general election. McCain is such a weak candidate, and the Republicans are in such disarray, that a solid White House victory, 5-7 Senate seats, and 40-50 seats in the House are clearly possible. House Republicans are especially mean right now; insiders tell me they are going to cause problems with the war funding tactics just because they are so depressed from losing in Louisiana and Illinois. They have no money for the House and the Senate, and a depressed base. I'm curious about Obama's governing philosophy, as that is where the Republicans are going to make their stand in 2009. Without traditional outside groups (and he doesn't want them involved, witness his lobbyist ban in his new administration), Obama is going to be relying on the emergent networks that come from his campaign to buttress his priorities, but since we don't actually know what they are, it's hard to figure out what his governing strategy will be.
As Mike Lux wrote earlier, it's time to get ready for Obama as the nominee. I would amplify this and point out that it's time to get ready for a party that is being taken apart and rebuilt as the Obama movement. It's incredibly refreshing, in a sense, for politics to be completely reimagined on top of the internet and with a strong focus on leadership development, volunteers, and outside of DC leadership disdainful of partisanship and the give and take of politics-as-usual. It's also displacing the anti-Bush arguments of the last eight years and the political dynamic it fostered on the left. DDay wrote about this on Digby's blog the other day.There's certainly a danger here of relying on projected numbers instead of traditional power bases, though I don't think he'll be abandoning groups like unions and black churches, nor will any progressive movement structures abandon him. But I really think that the Obama campaign is reacting to this demonization campaign from the right by saying "OK, I'll find voters in so many nooks and crannies and make you work in so many states that you won't have a chance to make this narrative work." His response is not necessarily building a progressive electorate; that would be accomplished by plugging into the nascent progressive structures that already exist. Obama appears to want to build an electorate aligned with Obama's principles and values, and fostering greater participation in politics as a means to move the country forward and break the current polarization. Some Democrats would play on the same playing field and try to win it; Obama's building an entirely new field, one where these narratives and negative ads and the need to tailor the entire general election to 10 independent voters in the middle of Ohio won't matter anymore.All I'll add is that it's time to think through the consequences of a party where there is a new chief with massive amounts of power. I've been in the wilderness all my political life, as have most of us. The Clintonistas haven't, and they know what it's like to be part of the inside crew. We have a leader, and he's not a partisan and he can now end fractious intraparty fights with a word and/or a nod. His opinion really matters in a way that even Nancy Pelosi's just did not. He has control of the party apparatus, the grassroots, the money, and the messaging environment. He is also, and this is fundamental, someone that millions of people believe in as a moral force. When you disagree with Obama, you are saying to these people 'your favorite band sucks'.
I can't say if it will totally work, but that looks to be the strategy. We've been tantalized with these kinds of efforts before; it's actually a very traditional belief that increased turnout is good for Democrats.
Like many of us, I endorsed Obama, gave him money, and I intend to work to get him elected. He is attempting to completely rewrite the rules of politics, and we should try to figure out what that means for where we take our meager work. Obama is now the party leader. And he has ensured and we have given him the mandate that when he speaks, he speaks for all of us. I hope he's a vibrant progressive when he gets into office, and we should begin figuring out how to put ourselves in a position to help him take the country in a progressive direction.
Comments
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so you attribute everyone's fervor re: this nomination solely to one candidate and not the fucked up current administration? or the interesting change offered by other candidates?
I know obama has fired up a lot of folks about politics ... but so has clinton and, frankly, so has the shit-ass bush administration. obama can't take all the credit. (and I never take blog posts as proof of anything - it's like citing wikipedia) -
alafairnadia wrote: so you attribute everyone's fervor re: this nomination solely to one candidate and not the fucked up current administration? or the interesting change offered by other candidates?
and just a bit more: I think this kind of "omg, obama has revolutionized american politics" b.s. is more a disservice to the obama camp and its followers than they realize. it sounds smug and elitist; makes folks who aren't in that camp think "yeesh, they obviously think I'm a fuckin' idiot." it makes the whole 'inclusiveness' schtick disingenuous. I'm tired of hearing it and I'm fucking glad obama himself isn't saying this crap anymore. his soundbytes the last week (and clintons, really) have been some of the most ... chill and noteworthy of the campaign. what I'd like to say to obama folk is this: "y'all need to get over yourselves - you have a decent candidate (if he were better than decent we wouldn't be in this situation, now would we?) who will, if all goes well for him, have a nomination. stop being jerks about it and start figuring out how to get him the white house. don't worry, most of us who are on the 'outside' will come along with you - we're just sick of your smug little mugs."
I know obama has fired up a lot of folks about politics ... but so has clinton and, frankly, so has the shit-ass bush administration. obama can't take all the credit. (and I never take blog posts as proof of anything - it's like citing wikipedia) -
Oh I completely agree. Both candidates are inspirational, as is a desire to move as far away from the Worst President In History as possible. But this post wasn't really about voter turn out. It's about Obama's tactics and organization. It's about the structure and powerbase of the Democratic party.
alafairnadia wrote: (and I never take blog posts as proof of anything - it's like citing wikipedia)
I wouldn't cite a blog post in a research paper. But I sure as hell look to them for political commentary, insight, and media criticism. -
alafairnadia wrote: and just a bit more: I think this kind of "omg, obama has revolutionized american politics" b.s. is more a disservice to the obama camp and its followers than they realize. it sounds smug and elitist; makes folks who aren't in that camp think "yeesh, they obviously think I'm a fuckin' idiot." it makes the whole 'inclusiveness' schtick disingenuous. I'm tired of hearing it and I'm fucking glad obama himself isn't saying this crap anymore. his soundbytes the last week (and clintons, really) have been some of the most ... chill and noteworthy of the campaign. what I'd like to say to obama folk is this: "y'all need to get over yourselves - you have a decent candidate (if he were better than decent we wouldn't be in this situation, now would we?) who will, if all goes well for him, have a nomination. stop being jerks about it and start figuring out how to get him the white house. don't worry, most of us who are on the 'outside' will come along with you - we're just sick of your smug little mugs."
I was hoping to discuss specifics of Obama's strategies. I'd like to avoid this kind of broad generalization about the candidates and their supporters. I find it unproductive. -
and frankly, this entire paragraph makes me want to fucking vomit:
All I'll add is that it's time to think through the consequences of a party where there is a new chief with massive amounts of power. I've been in the wilderness all my political life, as have most of us. The Clintonistas haven't, and they know what it's like to be part of the inside crew. We have a leader, and he's not a partisan and he can now end fractious intraparty fights with a word and/or a nod. His opinion really matters in a way that even Nancy Pelosi's just did not. He has control of the party apparatus, the grassroots, the money, and the messaging environment. He is also, and this is fundamental, someone that millions of people believe in as a moral force. When you disagree with Obama, you are saying to these people 'your favorite band sucks'.
So. Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi must bow to this incredible powerhouse ... who still hasn't fully won the nod? and now we're equating our politicians to bands? what's next, sports teams? oh wait, that's already in the rhetoric. I believe I forgot that Clinton got "crushed" at some point. too bad the crushing didn't happen in gigantor numbers that would force her out. a fighting chance and an unwon nod are just that . and really? I think most of this incredible "control" obama allegedly has is peer pressury type stuff - sorta like how TONS of dems voted for the war in iraq knowing full well it was total b.s./daddy's war?
is cynicism dead in this country? wtf. I can't believe people really are looking for a political jesus. -
Boygabriel wrote: [quote=alafairnadia]and just a bit more: I think this kind of "omg, obama has revolutionized american politics" b.s. is more a disservice to the obama camp and its followers than they realize. it sounds smug and elitist; makes folks who aren't in that camp think "yeesh, they obviously think I'm a fuckin' idiot." it makes the whole 'inclusiveness' schtick disingenuous. I'm tired of hearing it and I'm fucking glad obama himself isn't saying this crap anymore. his soundbytes the last week (and clintons, really) have been some of the most ... chill and noteworthy of the campaign. what I'd like to say to obama folk is this: "y'all need to get over yourselves - you have a decent candidate (if he were better than decent we wouldn't be in this situation, now would we?) who will, if all goes well for him, have a nomination. stop being jerks about it and start figuring out how to get him the white house. don't worry, most of us who are on the 'outside' will come along with you - we're just sick of your smug little mugs."
I was hoping to discuss specifics of Obama's strategies. I'd like to avoid this kind of broad generalization about the candidates and their supporters. I find it unproductive.
I'm not really interested in his strategies as summarized by someone who is obviously obsessed with him. I'm interested in getting the republicans out of office. didn't realize you were actually looking to discuss the statements in the blog post with folks who actually agreed with them. -
alafairnadia wrote: So. Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi must bow to this incredible powerhouse ... who still hasn't fully won the nod? and now we're equating our politicians to bands? what's next, sports teams? oh wait, that's already in the rhetoric. I believe I forgot that Clinton got "crushed" at some point. too bad the crushing didn't happen in gigantor numbers that would force her out. a fighting chance and an unwon nod are just that . and really? I think most of this incredible "control" obama allegedly has is peer pressury type stuff - sorta like how TONS of dems voted for the war in iraq knowing full well it was total b.s./daddy's war?
I'm not sure how else to plead with you, an intelligent and informed voter, to discuss the specifics of things Obama is trying to pioneer or improve for the party.
I'm sorry that a blog post is so unpalatable to you. I was interested in the bullet points, not the medium.I'm interested in getting the republicans out of office.
No, mostly it seems you're interested in defensiveness and broad attacks against Obama supporters. A lot of the points in this post speak directly to how the Democrats (and Obama) can rebuild strength and victory. But it seems that because it was written and posted by Obama supporters, you're pretty much rejecting the analysis out of hand. -
Obama made his bet that the country isn't into ideological combat and wants a politics of unity and hope, and he has won at internally. In terms of the 'Iron Law of Institutions', the Obama campaign is masterful. From top to bottom, they have destroyed their opponents within the party, stolen out from under them their base, and persuaded a whole set of individuals from blog readers to people in the pews to ignore intermediaries and believe in Barack as a pure vessel of change.
I would say that it is far from proven that Obama _can_, much less _has_ stolen the base out from under opponents in the party. I fully believe that Obama will be the nominee, but thus far the traditional democratic support that Hillary realizes has proven elusive to him. Hopefully once she is out of the picture that can be consolidated. Hillary as VP or some other VP with strength in this area would go far in this direction. But I don't think he has destroyed opponents or stolen any power base yet by a long shot. Witness, Hillary limping on. -
3. Money: MyBarackObama.com: With 1.5 million donors, this campaign has blown away anything we've ever seen in terms of grassroots fundraising. The technology is all centralized, so Obama knows the name, address, giving patterns, and occupation of every donor out there, as well as social networking information, like who the best raisers are. He has bypassed Actblue, and will probably end up building in a Congressional slate feature to further party build while keeping control of the data.
Holy crap, and I won't even join the affinity programs at the supermarkets and drug stores! Mind you, I'm not faulting Obama, this is big business after all. But it scary, especially given the current fights over electronic data privacy concerns and whatnot. -
Boygabriel wrote: I'm not sure how else to plead with you, an intelligent and informed voter, to discuss the specifics of things Obama is trying to pioneer or improve for the party.
a) I don't think Obama has done anything differently than he did when he ran for senate. he got TONS of out of state money (including from me) - he's a great speaker and an incredible motivator. he was, really, an interesting choice for a state begging for change. for people like me, who make enough money to be able to give it away at such lowly times as senatorial campaigns, he was a luxurious candidate to receive my donation.
I'm sorry that a blog post is so unpalatable to you. I was interested in the bullet points, not the medium.I'm interested in getting the republicans out of office.
No, mostly it seems you're interested in defensiveness and broad attacks against Obama supporters. A lot of the points in this post speak directly to how the Democrats (and Obama) can rebuild strength and victory. But it seems that because it was written and posted by Obama supporters, you're pretty much rejecting the analysis out of hand.
b) my point above means I don't think he's done anything all that different for the presidential campaign. I think his tactics are exactly the same, I think that his lack of obvious connection to the power structure make him interesting to people and that his lack of connection to anyone who has been president in the last 20 years is even more interesting to people. combine that with the fact that he is running for president in an incredibly important race, I don't see how tactics overwhelmed "demand" for a different sounding candidate. so. yeah, no revolution in my book.
c) I dislike the text of the blog post per all of my quotes above, and all of my posts above. I, however, am no better or worse a political commentator than some blog writer and I have every right to find his dismissiveness of a lot of *reality* pretty fucking lame. you, on the other hand, have every right to find it awesome. fine.
d) you don't know me. you don't know what I think. you, like a lot of other folks, misinterpret my dislike of general obama supporters and generalized obama effusiveness. I genuinely am interested in getting the republicans out of office. I am genuinely hopeful that obama can win should he get the nod and will, of course, vote for him. that doesn't mean I have to like the rhetoric that surrounds him or recognize that rhetoric as something more than ... rhetoric. -
daver wrote:
wait ... you can find this data out on the internet. like, all by yourself. and, if you are a candidate, you have to record this data to report it to the campaign finance folks. like, my name comes up on DBs for giving money to obama and clinton and gore and whoever else I've sent checks to. and so did my employer's name and my address and .... omg everything listed there.3. Money: MyBarackObama.com: With 1.5 million donors, this campaign has blown away anything we've ever seen in terms of grassroots fundraising. The technology is all centralized, so Obama knows the name, address, giving patterns, and occupation of every donor out there, as well as social networking information, like who the best raisers are. He has bypassed Actblue, and will probably end up building in a Congressional slate feature to further party build while keeping control of the data.
Holy crap, and I won't even join the affinity programs at the supermarkets and drug stores! Mind you, I'm not faulting Obama, this is big business after all. But it scary, especially given the current fights over electronic data privacy concerns and whatnot.
(er, this amazing database technology has been around for years. still waiting for the revolution) -
My opinion: If anyone thinks any of the Demoblican/Repubocrat candidates offer any real change or progress then you are in for a big letdown. Same old same old as far as I'm concerned. They all pander to their money and their corporate funding, definitely not to the real needs of the people they are elected to represent. They all choose sides on issues based on how electable that makes them. It's the same game with different names. The next revolution (if there will be one) in this country will be the emergence of a new party with a new voice and REAL change. The basic difference between these parties - the democrats promise the moon and tax the crap out of you (which is all wasted by special interest and plain old waste) and the Republicans tell you smaller government and lower taxes but run up big deficits basically running the same government. Either way we all lose. Go ahead and buy what they sell you as they tell you what you want to hear but come far from delivering what you want let alone what you really need.
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daver wrote:
oh, and daver, I'll try to find it for you but if you google around there are a few sites where you can enter, for instance, your employer's name and find out who gave what to which candidate. I kinda started to hate a partner at my old firm like 6 years ago when I found out he wrote a nice big check to santorum. so gross. oh. and anyone can enter any employer's name, or any person's name. your political donations are all recorded. period.3. Money: MyBarackObama.com: With 1.5 million donors, this campaign has blown away anything we've ever seen in terms of grassroots fundraising. The technology is all centralized, so Obama knows the name, address, giving patterns, and occupation of every donor out there, as well as social networking information, like who the best raisers are. He has bypassed Actblue, and will probably end up building in a Congressional slate feature to further party build while keeping control of the data.
Holy crap, and I won't even join the affinity programs at the supermarkets and drug stores! Mind you, I'm not faulting Obama, this is big business after all. But it scary, especially given the current fights over electronic data privacy concerns and whatnot. -
alafairnadia wrote: [quote=daver]
wait ... you can find this data out on the internet. like, all by yourself. and, if you are a candidate, you have to record this data to report it to the campaign finance folks. like, my name comes up on DBs for giving money to obama and clinton and gore and whoever else I've sent checks to. and so did my employer's name and my address and .... omg everything listed there.3. Money: MyBarackObama.com: With 1.5 million donors, this campaign has blown away anything we've ever seen in terms of grassroots fundraising. The technology is all centralized, so Obama knows the name, address, giving patterns, and occupation of every donor out there, as well as social networking information, like who the best raisers are. He has bypassed Actblue, and will probably end up building in a Congressional slate feature to further party build while keeping control of the data.
Holy crap, and I won't even join the affinity programs at the supermarkets and drug stores! Mind you, I'm not faulting Obama, this is big business after all. But it scary, especially given the current fights over electronic data privacy concerns and whatnot.
(er, this amazing database technology has been around for years. still waiting for the revolution)
Um, so are you saying that in fact Obama hasn't "has blown away anything we've ever seen"?
Because I frankly find that hard to believe.
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alafairnadia wrote: oh, and daver, I'll try to find it for you but if you google around there are a few sites where you can enter, for instance, your employer's name and find out who gave what to which candidate. I kinda started to hate a partner at my old firm like 6 years ago when I found out he wrote a nice big check to santorum. so gross. oh. and anyone can enter any employer's name, or any person's name. your political donations are all recorded. period.
http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/index.php
I tried searching "alafairnadia" but you are either a tightwad or using an alias.
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daver wrote: [quote=alafairnadia]oh, and daver, I'll try to find it for you but if you google around there are a few sites where you can enter, for instance, your employer's name and find out who gave what to which candidate. I kinda started to hate a partner at my old firm like 6 years ago when I found out he wrote a nice big check to santorum. so gross. oh. and anyone can enter any employer's name, or any person's name. your political donations are all recorded. period.
http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/index.php
I tried searching "alafairnadia" but you are either a tightwad or using an alias.
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daver wrote: Um, so are you saying that in fact Obama hasn't "has blown away anything we've ever seen"?
shocking, I know. actually, was talking to a republican who said she'd vote for obama because of his "traditional family values" and "solid religious beliefs". so. yeah. totes le new.
Because I frankly find that hard to believe.
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daver wrote: [quote=alafairnadia]oh, and daver, I'll try to find it for you but if you google around there are a few sites where you can enter, for instance, your employer's name and find out who gave what to which candidate. I kinda started to hate a partner at my old firm like 6 years ago when I found out he wrote a nice big check to santorum. so gross. oh. and anyone can enter any employer's name, or any person's name. your political donations are all recorded. period.
http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/index.php
I tried searching "alafairnadia" but you are either a tightwad or using an alias.
shocker, right? my aka involves my real name but if I told you that I'd have to kill you or something. -
alafairnadia wrote: shocker, right? my aka involves my real name but if I told you that I'd have to kill you or something.
Well, I would vote for or something except that I am _totally_ not ready for that level of responsibility. :P -
Obama still has a massive problem in the general election after all the dust and hype settles:
He is NOT getting the needed white, working class vote ( the largest block of voters in America).He just isn't; Hillary is getting it.
Should he prevail, he will need a red state, white, male running mate - or Hillary.
He got 91% of the Black vote in NC.
(Dems usually hover around +/-85% of so with blacks anyway - which is a shame and why they have no real power)
But I'd like to offer this anecdote:
Since the first presidential election in American History, 100% of white people have been voting for white men and people +/-98% of the time.
Why doesn't that factoid ever come up, I wonder? -
that's not entirely accurate. he's getting a percentage of that vote, but he still got beaten badly in it by Hillary. I believe in Indiana he got like 35-40% of the white, working class vote.
I think the question is: is that demographic going to vote McCain, or not vote at all, such that Obama can't win the election? Personally I think that's far from established.
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