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wow the bush administration really wanted to get Iran. — Brooklynian

wow the bush administration really wanted to get Iran.

Iran offered 'to make peace with Israel'
By Gareth Porter

WASHINGTON - Iran offered in 2003 to accept peace with Israel and cut off material assistance to Palestinian armed groups and to pressure them to halt terrorist attacks within Israel's 1967 borders, according to a secret Iranian proposal to the United States.

The two-page proposal for a broad Iran-US agreement covering all the issues separating the two countries, a copy of which was obtained by Inter Press Service (IPS), was conveyed to the US in late April or early May 2003.

Trita Parsi, a specialist on Iranian foreign policy at Johns Hopkins University's School of Advanced International Studies who provided the document to IPS, says he got it from an Iranian



official this year but is not at liberty to reveal the source.

The two-page document contradicts the official line of the Bush administration that Iran is committed to the destruction of Israel and the sponsorship of terrorism in the region.

Parsi says the document is a summary of an even more detailed Iranian negotiating proposal that he learned about in 2003 from the US intermediary who carried it to the State Department on behalf of the Swiss Embassy in late April or early May that year. The intermediary has not yet agreed to be identified, Parsi said.

The negotiating proposal indicated clearly that Iran was prepared to give up its role as a supporter of armed groups in the region in return for a larger bargain with the United States. What the Iranians wanted in return, as suggested by the document itself as well as expert observers of Iranian policy, was an end to US hostility and recognition of Iran as a legitimate power in the region.

Before the 2003 proposal, Iran had criticized Arab governments that had supported the Israeli-Palestinian peace process. The negotiating document, however, offered "acceptance of the Arab League Beirut Declaration", which it also referred to as the "Saudi initiative, two-states approach".

The March 2002 Beirut Declaration represented the Arab League's first official acceptance of the land-for-peace principle as well as a comprehensive peace with Israel in return for Israel's withdrawal to the territory it had controlled before the 1967 war. Iran's proposed concession on the issue would have aligned its policy with that of Egypt and Saudi Arabia, among others with which the United States enjoyed intimate relations.

Another concession in the document was a "stop of any material support to Palestinian opposition groups (Hamas, Jihad, etc) from Iranian territory" along with "pressure on these organizations to stop violent actions against civilians within borders of 1967".

Even more surprising, given the extremely close relationship between Iran and the Lebanon-based Hezbollah Shi'ite organization, the proposal offered to take "action on Hezbollah to become a mere political organization within Lebanon".

The Iranian proposal also offered to accept much tighter controls by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in exchange for "full access to peaceful nuclear technology". It offered "full cooperation with IAEA based on Iranian adoption of all relevant instruments (93+2 and all further IAEA protocols)".

That was a reference to protocols that would require Iran to provide IAEA monitors with access to any facility they might request, whether it had been declared by Iran or not. That would have made it much more difficult for Iran to carry out any secret nuclear activities without being detected.

In return for these concessions, which contradicted Iran's public rhetoric about Israel and anti-Israeli forces, the secret Iranian proposal sought US agreement to a list of Iranian aims. The list included a "halt in US hostile behavior and rectification of status of Iran in the US", as well as the "abolishment of all sanctions".

Also among Iran's aims was "recognition of Iran's legitimate security interests in the region with according defense capacity". According to a number of Iran specialists, the aim of security and an official acknowledgment of Iran's status as a regional power were central to the Iranian interest in a broad agreement with the United States.

Negotiation of a deal with the US that would advance Iran's security and fundamental geopolitical political interests in the Persian Gulf region in return for accepting the existence of Israel and other Iranian concessions has long been discussed among senior Iranian national-security officials, according to Parsi and other analysts of Iranian national security policy.

An Iranian threat to destroy Israel has been a major propaganda theme of the Bush administration for months. On March 10, President George W Bush said, "The Iranian president has stated his desire to destroy our ally, Israel. So when you start listening to what he has said to their desire to develop a nuclear weapon, then you begin to see an issue of grave national-security concern."

But in 2003, Bush refused to allow any response to the Iranian offer to negotiate an agreement that would have accepted the existence of Israel. Flynt Leverett, then the senior specialist on the Middle East on the National Security Council staff, recalled in an interview that it was "literally a few days" between the receipt of the Iranian proposal and the dispatch of a message to the Swiss ambassador expressing displeasure that he had forwarded it to Washington.

Interest in such a deal is still very much alive in Tehran, despite the US refusal to respond to the 2003 proposal. Turkish international-relations professor Mustafa Kibaroglu of Bilkent University writes in the latest issue of Middle East Journal that "senior analysts" from Iran told him last July that "the formal recognition of Israel by Iran may also be possible if essentially a 'grand bargain' can be achieved between the US and Iran".

The proposal's offer to dismantle the main thrust of Iran's Islamic and anti-Israel policy would be strongly opposed by some of the extreme conservatives among the mullahs who engineered the repression of the reformist movement in 2004 and who backed President Mahmud Ahmadinejad in last year's election.

However, many conservative opponents of the reform movement in Iran have also supported a negotiated deal with the United States that would benefit Iran, according to Paul Pillar, the former national intelligence officer on Iran. "Even some of the hardliners accepted the idea that if you could strike a deal with the devil, you would do it," he said in an interview last month.

The conservatives were unhappy not with the idea of a deal with the United States but with the fact that it was a supporter of the reform movement of former president Mohammad Khatami who would get the credit for the breakthrough, Pillar said.

Parsi says the ultimate authority on Iran's foreign policy, Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, was "directly involved" in the Iranian proposal, according to the senior Iranian national-security officials he interviewed in 2004. Khamenei has aligned himself with the conservatives in opposing the pro-democratic movement.

Gareth Porter is a historian and national security policy analyst. His latest book, Perils of Dominance: Imbalance of Power and the Road to War in Vietnam, was published in June 2005.

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  • this is iranian propaganda
  • Sorry, but I don't believe one word that comes out of that country. Not one.

    We're not perfect, that's for sure, but we're a heck of a lot better than the Iranian gov't.

    This article describe the Iranian government a bit better:

    TEHRAN, Iran (CNN) -- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has described the Holocaust as "a myth" and suggested that Israel be moved to Europe, the United States, Canada or Alaska.

    The United States, Israel and the European Commission -- along with individual European countries -- have condemned the remark.

    Ahmadinejad sparked widespread international condemnation in October when he called for Israel to be "wiped off the map."

    Last week, he also expressed doubt about the killing by the Nazis of six million Jews during World War II, but Wednesday was the first occasion when he said in public that the Holocaust was a myth.

    "They have invented a myth that Jews were massacred and place this above God, religions and the prophets," Ahmadinejad said in a speech to thousands of people in the Iranian city of Zahedan, according to a report on Wednesday from Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting.

    "The West has given more significance to the myth of the genocide of the Jews, even more significant than God, religion, and the prophets," he said. "(It) deals very severely with those who deny this myth but does not do anything to those who deny God, religion, and the prophet."

    "If you have burned the Jews, why don't you give a piece of Europe, the United States, Canada or Alaska to Israel," Ahmadinejad said.

    "Our question is, if you have committed this huge crime, why should the innocent nation of Palestine pay for this crime?"

    Mark Regev, spokesman for Israel's Foreign Ministry, said: "The combination of a regime with a radical agenda, together with a distorted sense of reality that is clearly indicated by the statements we heard today, put together with nuclear weapons -- I think that's a dangerous combination that no one in the international community can accept."

    "What the Iranian president has shown us today is that he is clearly outside the international consensus, he is clearly outside international norms and international legitimacy, and in so doing he has shown the Iranian government for what it is -- a rogue regime opposed to peace and stability and a threat to all its neighboring countries," Regev said.

    In addition, Ahmadinejad spoke in Zahedan about Iran's nuclear program, maintaining it will insist on its right to develop nuclear energy for peaceful purposes.

    "Those who themselves produce nuclear arms should not raise hue and cry against those who only want to gain access to nuclear technology for peaceful purposes," he said, according to a report from the Islamic Republic News Agency.

    "Countries which have arsenals of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons which can be used against other countries at their whim and those who supplied the Baathist regime with (chemical) weapons that killed thousands of innocent Iranians ... now go to all lengths to block Iran from gaining access to peaceful nuclear technology," he said.

    "We are sure they have criminal intentions, and there was never any doubt that they were piling weapons of mass destruction to be used against less powerful nations," Ahmadinejad said, according to the IRNA report.

    'Completely unacceptable'
    In Berlin, German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said his government had summoned the Iranian charge d'affaires to make "unmistakably clear" its displeasure, The Associated Press said.

    "I cannot hide the fact that this weighs on bilateral relations and on the chances for the negotiation process, the so-called nuclear dossier," Steinmeier said, referring to European talks with Iran on its nuclear program. (Full story)

    The White House said the comments underlined the need for the international community to work together to "keep Iran from developing nuclear weapons."

    "All responsible leaders in the international community recognize how outrageous such comments are," spokesman Scott McClellan said, Reuters reported.

    In Brussels, European Commission spokeswoman Emma Udwin said such "completely unacceptable" comments would do nothing to restore confidence in Iran.

    "We feel very strongly that Iran is damaging its own interests with these kind of remarks," she added.

    The Spanish government said it "emphatically condemns" the remarks by the Iranian president.

    "These statements from the highest levels of Iran, added to previous statements, do not contribute in any way to the peace process between Arabs and Israelis, nor to the stability of the Middle East region," the Spanish Foreign Ministry said in a statement.

    Ahmadinejad's views contrast with those of his moderate predecessor Mohammad Khatami, who urged a dialogue among civilizations.

    Some conservative allies in Iran have criticized the current president's remarks, AP reported, because they fear he is damaging the country's image.

    Moderates have urged the ruling Islamic establishment to rein in the president. But Supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei supports Ahmadinejad's calls for Israel's elimination, the news agency added.

    Tehran-based political analyst Mahmoud Alinejad said the president could feel his speeches strengthen Iran diplomatically.

    "There is a perception, based on past experience that only when Iran threatens and pushes does the West back off," he told Reuters.

    Personally, I hope he denies the Holocaust in Germany and they arrest him and put him on trial (Holocaust denial is a crime in Germany).
  • ic96 wrote: Sorry, but I don't believe one word that comes out of that country. Not one.
    It's not like the Bush Administration is any better. In fact the parallels between Ahmadinejad's provocative rhetoric and that of Bush & Cheney is scary.
    We're not perfect, that's for sure, but we're a heck of a lot better than the Iranian gov't.
    There's not much point in speaking in terms this broadly. Iran hasn't invaded another country in like 300 years (going back to the Persian empire). So in that regard, your statement isn't nearly that cut and dry.
    This article describe the Iranian government a bit better...
    No it doesn't. It describes Ahmadinejad, an unpopular figurehead with no significant power inside or outside Iran.

    Ahmadinejad's main purpose on this Earth is to serve as a strawman boogeyman for the militant American and Israeli right who want nothing more than to start a third war in the Middle East.
  • Boygabriel wrote: [quote=ic96]This article describe the Iranian government a bit better...
    No it doesn't. It describes Ahmadinejad, an unpopular figurehead with no significant power inside or outside Iran.

    while I don't believe in starting another war (don't believe in the one in Iraq and am still pissed that the one in Afghanistan didn't start when women were getting slaughtered by the hundreds in stadiums during the Clinton administration), I don't think Iran deserves the deference you're paying it. yes, there are plenty of rebellious folks in Iran and a healthy student group that are politically and religiously liberal. but. Iran is a haven, like a lot of other countries in the middle east, for folks who are Up To No Good.

    starting a war with them = retarded.

    pretending that they're a stable nation with a population who don't hate our guts = retarded.

    treating them like a happy-go-lucky haven for intellectuals and feminists and liberals = retarded.

    are they better than us? no. they have no gays.
  • I was responding to specific points raised in this post and in the war-mongering right's usual talking points when advocating war with Iran.

    I was in no way defending the behavior of the Supreme Leaders of Iran.
    retarded.[/quote wrote:

    This is a complex issue that bears further discussion. A significant portion of Iranians don't hate American people or American culture.

    [quote= retarded.
    I didn't do this so I'm not sure if this is directed at me.
  • no no, not directed at you. mostly at the absurd generalizations coming from the pundits commenting on the mccain and obama takes on the whole talking to iran thing. I just think everyone is over simplifying the issue and either war mongering or being all "Iran is so misunderstood!"
  • alafairnadia wrote: no no, not directed at you. mostly at the absurd generalizations coming from the pundits commenting on the mccain and obama takes on the whole talking to iran thing. I just think everyone is over simplifying the issue and either war mongering or being all "Iran is so misunderstood!"
    I agree, and that's why I think war-mongers find it so easy to rally this country to war (or at least be indifferent to it). It seems like nobody thinks critically about foreign policy.

    "Ahmadinejad denied the holocaust! He must be as bad as Saddam!"

    "I saw a clip of an Iranian mob burning an American flag! They're a threat to our freedom"
  • Boygabriel wrote: [quote=alafairnadia]no no, not directed at you. mostly at the absurd generalizations coming from the pundits commenting on the mccain and obama takes on the whole talking to iran thing. I just think everyone is over simplifying the issue and either war mongering or being all "Iran is so misunderstood!"
    I agree, and that's why I think war-mongers find it so easy to rally this country to war (or at least be indifferent to it). It seems like nobody thinks critically about foreign policy.

    "Ahmadinejad denied the holocaust! He must be as bad as Saddam!"

    "I saw a clip of an Iranian mob burning an American flag! They're a threat to our freedom"

    woohoo! we agree on something! :lol::lol::wink::wink:
  • What perplexes me is: why do the US government and a surprising number of Americans even care about Iran? While hardly my first choice of a regime to live under, it's not like they're actually a threat to Americans, and the whole Mossadegh/Pahlavi debacle, the revolution and hostage crisis are ancient history; we should be over it by now. Ahmadinejad is a bit of a joke, especially his anti-Israel posturing, and the nuclear issue is misunderstood and a bit of a furphy. Is this antagonism driven by ideology, or a continuation of colonial imperialism, especially where oil is concerned, or an alignment of the two?
  • Agreed 100%, doctorj. The reason I care about Iran is that I don't want to see us in another illegal, unnecessary war there. That, and I have several friends from there.

    http://www.antiwar.com/reese/?articleid=12890
  • doctorj you raise a good question. Personally I think a huge part of it is that neocons, hawks and warmongers always need a Great Monolithic Enemy to fight against. These people compulsively portray themselves as Defenders Of Our Freedom*, even if they're the only people that truly see The Threat To Our Existence.

    It used to be communism, now it's "Islamofascism", especially in the form of nukes in the hands of Evil Iran.

    *funny how few of these people, pundits and Bush administration officials, actually volunteer to you know, FIGHT IN THE WARS they're always claiming stand between Freedom and Total Annihilation.

    So the threat is big enough to start war after war after war (literally), but not big enough for a handful of these warmongers to actually sign up for the Armed Forces.

    Note: One of the most important and enlightening things I've ever read on this topic was a 1964 essay by Richard Hofstadter in Harper's, "The Paranoid Style in American Politics". Click here for the story. I originally came across it when it was referenced by one of my absolute favorite 'professional' bloggers, Glenn Greenwald at Salon.com. (click here for Greenwald's blog, subscription required)
  • doctorj wrote: What perplexes me is: why do the US government and a surprising number of Americans even care about Iran? While hardly my first choice of a regime to live under, it's not like they're actually a threat to Americans, and the whole Mossadegh/Pahlavi debacle, the revolution and hostage crisis are ancient history; we should be over it by now. Ahmadinejad is a bit of a joke, especially his anti-Israel posturing, and the nuclear issue is misunderstood and a bit of a furphy. Is this antagonism driven by ideology, or a continuation of colonial imperialism, especially where oil is concerned, or an alignment of the two?
    given the power that oil has these days (and what? isn't it what won the last several wars the continent has seen?) I'd say it's a combo of oil and "why won't you submit to american authority?!!!?!?!?!" b.s. the authority, obvi, being the smoke, the oil the true prize. I, frankly, could give a fuck - which is why hearing the pundits and, frankly, the candidates talking about iran infuriates me. how come I know more about what's happening there because I read the fucking blurbs in the front of the economist than people who are trying to convince me that they're smarter than me in dealing with these types of foreign policy issues? blech.

    and really? why are any of the candidates giving any validity to bush's axis of stupid?
  • Another fantastic video:

  • don't even remembering post this sucker.
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