So Who You Voting For?
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[quote=raulism]
Raulism, I have absolute respect for you. However, you are mistaken on the transportation bond act. It is NOT an MTA bond act or a means of funding Ratnerville or putting money in Peter Kalikow's pockets .. it is a bond act that affects the entire state of New York. It is a Department of Transportation and New York State Canal Corporation bond act as well ... it is about the infrastructure needs of the entire state.
I realize that some people in New York City do not give much attention to New York State. Sometimes I think people in New York City don't even realize that there IS a New York State over and above New York City.
I think you are a little misguided in thinking you are sending a message to the MTA by not voting for it. I think you are doing a disservice to your fellow citizens of New York State. These types of things come around very rarely. If the money is there, the State needs to take it. Think about how NYS has been so very short-changed on Homeland Security funds. Don't let it happen with regard to transportation funds. -
Bloomberg and Betsy get my vote all the way!
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boaty wrote: Bloomberg and Betsy get my vote all the way!
boaty you jest. -
I'm voting for Freddy!
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:roll: G-L-O-R-I-A ! and Freddy
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Gloria doesn't have a chance against Marty. Freddy is a sell out. And lastly Tish James Sucks. What does she really do for the areas that she covers. If you are a minority group she doesn't support you so don't vote for her.
Goooooo Bruce Ratner
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i dunno, i work overnight shifts and i feel too tired to vote after working 12 hours on 3rd shift (graveyard for those who don't know).. and obviously freddy's gonna lose, although i like the guy, he does seem burnt out, its hard to compete with a billionare, but bloomberg isnt the worst of the worst, he is to pro-overdevelopment though.
as for brooklyn BP, fat chance a green is gonna win. marty seems popular. people love those funny signs on the highways and bridges.
am i just jaded and burnt out?
lets see if my guilt gets me in time before the polls close. -
Subject: vote
Ferrer for Mayor
Mattera for Borough President -
raulism wrote:
I don't see the logic of raulism - two of those "three men in a room" are Silver and Bruno, of the state legislature. They already have enough reasons to stall the budget. Albany doesn't work, and voting yes on Ballot 1 is not going to make them work.
* I'm leaning in favor the ballot question 1. Our state government sucks because it's run by three men in a room. This proposal would give more power the legislative branch, which is at least an improvement to the current situation. It might delay budgets, but maybe not: if the governor has to worry more about the tactics of the legislature, then maybe he will have to work a little harder.
So I'm for no on 1
no on 2 (because I trust the recommendation of the Citizen's Budget Commission about debt burden)
yes on 3 (because who doesn't like a lame-ish ethics initiative:evil: )
and I don't know about 4
anybody? -
pitu wrote: and I don't know about 4
Definitely yes on 4. Since 1975 the city has been operating under rules that require a balanced budget, a four year financial plan, and annual audits according to generally accepted auditing standards. Most of these requirements will expire around 2008 (along with the act that imposed them), but ballot proposal 4 will put them into the City Charter (no expiration date).
anybody? -
Aren't all the bonds and initiatives etc. non-binding? Meaning, no matter what the people vote for, it really doesn't matter, it's up to the bigwigs in Albany or on the city council to actually pass them and put them into effect?
Just wondering? -
Here is a shots of Marty from this morning.
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[quote=raulism]Here is a shots of Marty from this morning.
DANG! Marty looks better as a woman! -
Oiseau wrote:
DANG! Marty looks better as a woman!
The one thing that both Gloria and Marty could agree on is that Gloria is thinner.
Oh, and it took me over an hour and a half to vote because my machine wasn't functioning. A previous voter's write-in appeared on my ballot....
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raulism wrote: [quote=Oiseau]
DANG! Marty looks better as a woman!
The one thing that both Gloria and Marty could agree on is that Gloria is thinner.
~r
:evil:
Since when are the Greens the Body Fascists' party? -
Oiseau wrote: Aren't all the bonds and initiatives etc. non-binding? Meaning, no matter what the people vote for, it really doesn't matter, it's up to the bigwigs in Albany or on the city council to actually pass them and put them into effect?
I thought the problem on these ballot initiatives is that they are mostly for things that the city (mayor or council) could do already - no city charter changes required. Ballots initiatives always have obscure back stories...
Just wondering? -
Marty kicked Gloria's Ass 8)
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Anonymous wrote: Marty kicked Gloria's Ass 8)
When you're as fat and ugly as Marty, it's expected. -
Anonymous wrote: Marty kicked Gloria's Ass 8)
I'm shocked! Shocked! I say. :roll: -
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Subject: Herbert
Anonymous wrote: Marty kicked Gloria's Ass 8)
hey brave guest. of cours Marty "kicked ass" he is an incumbent damn with 1.6 million in the bank against a third party grass roots candidate.
did you happen to notice that Tony Herbert who you linked to had his "ass kicked" by Tish? -
Of course Tish won, Dan, she's, as you would say, the incumbent! I firmly believe that Tish is leveraging the Atlantic Yards issue to promote herself for a future bid for Public Advocate. The only reason she's in office today is because James Davis was killed - had that not happened, Tish would probably be a legal aid attorney.
It's interesting that Ratner opponents will tout the victories of anti-arena pols like Tish as evidence that most people are opposed to the Atlantic Yards project, yet landslide victories of pro-arena pols are simply dismissed.
BTW, Dan, I love that picture of you and Marty. That'd make a great T-shirt. -
Jack Krohn wrote: I firmly believe that Tish is leveraging the Atlantic Yards issue to promote herself for a future bid for Public Advocate.
Wow, a politician using their position to move up the ladder. Who'd a thunk it?Jack Krohn wrote: The only reason she's in office today is because James Davis was killed - had that not happened, Tish would probably be a legal aid attorney.
That is an extraordinarily perverse statement. She was, nonethless, elected fair and square. -
Jack Krohn wrote: It's interesting that Ratner opponents will tout the victories of anti-arena pols like Tish as evidence that most people are opposed to the Atlantic Yards project, yet landslide victories of pro-arena pols are simply dismissed.
Ok, I'll bite. The Atlantic Yards issue is a big deal in Prospect Heights. Brighton Beach isn't likely to vote on that issue. Do you think Yorkville cares that Ferrer opposed the deal? The larger the voting pool, the more diluted the voter issues get, and the less attention goes to our local outrage. You seem to imply that Bloomberg's reelection had something to do with his stance on Atlantic Yards, which is absurd.
At any rate, it's just as easy to point to the Times poll that put support for the project at 18% city wide. If this project had anything to do with popular support, it never would have gotten this far. -
seemed like the right place to pose this question:
i recently signed up to donate to the Working Families Party and receive the newsletter. I was aware of them mainly because of Tish James and her opposition to Rattner. However, the party also endorsed Markowitz, ne even ran on their ballot line, and I don't see any oppostion to the project t their web site.
generally, i agree with the party platform, and i always support thrid parties, but have they offered any justification for remaining on the fence over Rattner? even leaning pro (given their Markowitz endorsement), particularly given that their most visable candidate (Tish James) is the most outspoken elected official opposed to the project.
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qtrain wrote: [quote=Jack Krohn]It's interesting that Ratner opponents will tout the victories of anti-arena pols like Tish as evidence that most people are opposed to the Atlantic Yards project, yet landslide victories of pro-arena pols are simply dismissed.
Ok, I'll bite. The Atlantic Yards issue is a big deal in Prospect Heights. Brighton Beach isn't likely to vote on that issue. Do you think Yorkville cares that Ferrer opposed the deal? The larger the voting pool, the more diluted the voter issues get, and the less attention goes to our local outrage. You seem to imply that Bloomberg's reelection had something to do with his stance on Atlantic Yards, which is absurd.
At any rate, it's just as easy to point to the Times poll that put support for the project at 18% city wide. If this project had anything to do with popular support, it never would have gotten this far.
Well said -
paulybrklynny wrote: generally, i agree with the party platform, and i always support thrid parties, but have they offered any justification for remaining on the fence over Rattner? even leaning pro (given their Markowitz endorsement), particularly given that their most visable candidate (Tish James) is the most outspoken elected official opposed to the project.
My understanding is that James ran in the 2001 primary as a Democrat, lost the nomination to James Davis, and then was "drafted" (in her words) by the Working Families Party to run in the general election. She lost, but won in the 2003 special election called after Davis was assassinated. This article suggests that there is some strain in the WFP between its union backers (some of whom have supported Ratner due to his job promises) and James, who is concerned with eminent domain abuse.
any thoughts?
articles about the 2003 election -
[quote=Jack Krohn]Of course Tish won, Dan, she's, as you would say, the incumbent! I firmly believe that Tish is leveraging the Atlantic Yards issue to promote herself for a future bid for Public Advocate. The only reason she's in office today is because James Davis was killed - had that not happened, Tish would probably be a legal aid attorney.quote]
Here Here. If James was alive today Tish wouldn't have a chance. I don't think that Tony Herbert really wanted that seat, he didn't really campaign. But Tish better watch out someone might really give her a run for her money if she keeps making enemies like she has been doing. Trust me the next James E. Davis is out there and they might just come forward and kick her ass like he did. -
Subject: of course
qtrain wrote: [quote=Jack Krohn]It's interesting that Ratner opponents will tout the victories of anti-arena pols like Tish as evidence that most people are opposed to the Atlantic Yards project, yet landslide victories of pro-arena pols are simply dismissed.
Ok, I'll bite. The Atlantic Yards issue is a big deal in Prospect Heights. Brighton Beach isn't likely to vote on that issue. Do you think Yorkville cares that Ferrer opposed the deal? The larger the voting pool, the more diluted the voter issues get, and the less attention goes to our local outrage. You seem to imply that Bloomberg's reelection had something to do with his stance on Atlantic Yards, which is absurd.
At any rate, it's just as easy to point to the Times poll that put support for the project at 18% city wide. If this project had anything to do with popular support, it never would have gotten this far.
thank you qtrain for saving me some typing. perfectly stated, and only voluntary obtuseness would blind someone to your point above.
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