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Subject: Re: One more...
Guest Ian wrote: "who has grown up in this city and lived here through the truly rough times."
Ian, you're posting as a guest. And there's no way to take your trolling serious in any way. GMail, Yahoo! or Hotmail accounts are free and plentiful. Get one if you have any real intention of being a real contributor.
...one more cry for street cred. Okay Jack - we get it. You are the king of all things New York.
Conversely, you can PM me or even contact me directly via my own websites.
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Subject: The best part...
...about your tirade against the Herald for giving Glen 1900 words, is that you've used well over that posting about how terrible his writing was. Wait, that wasn't your argument - it was that the Herald shouldn't have granted him 1900 words. Or was your argument that he's cocky and not a real New Yorker? No wait - was it about the mugging not being a real crime? Nope - damnit - it was about the RACE thing that's it. Yeah, race. Pretty, white forgeiners suck and black people are cool.
Why do I have do identify myself with an e-mail address to be considered real or serious? While I'm keeping it real, I'd rather not contact you directly. I'm already skeeved out knowing I live in the same neighborhood as you. -
Why do I have do identify myself with an e-mail address to be considered real or serious?
Because that's how most message boards, at least the ones worth using, work. And because at the top of this page it says "BE NICE and REGISTER a USERNAME!" If you're worried about your anonymity, don't show up at the happy hours where so many of us get to know each other. -
Subject: My apologies...
...here I am in all my registered glory. -
Jack wrote:
Dude, if the story is "incredibly trivial" what compels you to continue posting about it? Don't you realize the number of posts you're creating is contributing to the coverage it's getting?
There's concern and there's level of concern. Sorry if I don't think Glen's story warrants the press coverage it got in any way. This is NYC and his story is so incredibly trivial in the bigger picture of other crimes that happen in this neighborhood. That's why I mentioned the police blotter multiple times. -
lighten up, people.
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Jack wrote:
How many times does everyone have to tell you? If you are in new zealand, it is compelling becasue people stick together like that. Take the daily heights crew, for example, when DaveB got mugged he wrote about it and we all had his back, I didnt hear you talk about some uncompelling "it happens to everyone go read the crime blotter" bullshit then.
Glen's story is 'compelling' simply from the fact he's young, white, foreign and photogenic. Nothing more. Nothing less.
If you're truly concerned about crime in your neighborhood, you'd realize that this story is not as 'compelling' as one might think.Jack wrote:
Maybe you were freaking all day because you did not realize the New Zealand herald is not a U.S. paper?
But that's it. No extended 1900+ word essay printed in a U.S. paper.
You've written way over 1900 words on this page.
That "feeling" of ..Jack wrote:
is really just a case of keyboard diarrhea. Get it checked out.
have[ing] seen and experienced more in this city than might make you feel comfortable -
Hello. I am a New Zealander. I have never been to NYC so I shan't be commenting about the problems or crimes that occur in your neighbourhood or city. Glen is one of my best friends. I think that a 'photogenic white boy' from little old back-country sheep-shagging New Zealand has done pretty well to get such an animated debate going. He didn't write his account for anyone to read and/or critique. He just wrote it for his mates to have a look at because where we come from there isn't much news on the wireless. 1900 words? Brilliant. Got paid 40 cents a word for that so the more the better. Nice work Macca.
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Jack - I understand and fully respect your perspective. I understand that while much, not all, of our individual experiences can be bucketed into the 'so what' category because there are so many like occurences (e.g. muggings in a big city like NY, broken hearts, losses etc.). However, what makes these occurences unique are the individuals involved. To marginalzie the experience of this photogentic NZ whiteboy is not fair to him, his countrymen, his loved ones, friends or neighbors etc. - or to us, frankly - as it does not give credence to the diversity of our neighborhood - which is a strength. I have lived in this neighborhood and this city for near 30 years and this story still moved me (I do not oppose the press on this occurrence - it served to include me) - all the while I never forgot to level-set against my experiences and be aware of where we were and where we are.
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"A feeling akin to having just finished a second helping of Wanganui Collegiate School battered luncheon on a Wednesday afternoon prior to a rugby match against City College."
haha, I can totally relate... that's classic -
[quote=Smokin' Joe]
"how like a kiwi out of water"
umm - kiwis don't actually live in water -
Smokin' Joe wrote:
But that said, Smokin Joe, thanks for supporting our mate Glen, seeing as how so many of the other posters on this board are "dissing" (that's in the american dictionary - right?) him.
"how like a kiwi out of water"
umm - kiwis don't actually live in water -
There is a mugging in our neighborhood, followed by a shooting, and this message board is alive with critiques of the victim's "hipster" status and writing skills? This is the most vapid series of comments I can remember reading on Daily Heights.
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Anonymous wrote: There is a mugging in our neighborhood, followed by a shooting, and this message board is alive with critiques of the victim's "hipster" status and writing skills? This is the most vapid series of comments I can remember reading on Daily Heights.
Thank you! It's getting more bubbleheaded by the minute. :? -
Actually, other than the first seven or eight posts, it's been pretty much just Jack calling it trivial. You'll note that no one else agrees.
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Dude looks like Shemp.
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bluedove wrote: Actually, other than the first seven or eight posts, it's been pretty much just Jack calling it trivial. You'll note that no one else agrees.
No one else agrees publically. I'm taking the heat because I decided to point out 'the emperor has no clothes' on the main board. That's basically the deal. -
For the purposes of this post, which is responding to a comment about the thread itself, no one agrees with you, Jack. Except the guy with the Shemp comment there.
Also please note that pointing out that "the emperor has no clothes" and actually being correct about it are two different things.
Damn, I swore I wouldn't respond to this b.s. anymore. [*slaps own hand*] -
bluedove wrote: For the purposes of this post, which is responding to a comment about the thread itself, no one agrees with you, Jack. Except the guy with the Shemp comment there.
Hey now, no putting words in my mouth! No comment on the thread. Dude just looks like Shemp, that's all.
Also please note that pointing out that "the emperor has no clothes" and actually being correct about it are two different things.
Damn, I swore I wouldn't respond to this b.s. anymore. [*slaps own hand*] -
bluedove wrote: Also please note that pointing out that "the emperor has no clothes" and actually being correct about it are two different things.
BlueDove, let me compress this all down so it's as clear as possible.
A 1900+ word post in a person's blog is one thing. That same 1900+ word post being republished verbatim in a nation publication is another thing.
I have never taken issue with Glen's desire to post his thoughts and experiences in his own blog in any way.
But I do take issue with the 1900+ word post being reprinted verbatim in the New Zealand Herald.
That's it.
No doubt the aftermath of this mugging--the shooting of Javaughn Higgins and the fact he was out on bail to begin with--is intriguing. But Glen Waterhouse's account is really very pedestrian to say the least. And had it stayed a blog entry on his own site, I would have not taken issue with any of it. -
guest nz wrote: Hello. I am a New Zealander. I have never been to NYC so I shan't be commenting about the problems or crimes that occur in your neighbourhood or city. Glen is one of my best friends. I think that a 'photogenic white boy' from little old back-country sheep-shagging New Zealand has done pretty well to get such an animated debate going. He didn't write his account for anyone to read and/or critique. He just wrote it for his mates to have a look at because where we come from there isn't much news on the wireless. 1900 words? Brilliant. Got paid 40 cents a word for that so the more the better. Nice work Macca.
Jack, I know that. You don't have to talk to me like I'm twelve. What I am saying (and I've requoted the above to make my point, bold added) is that you are lending sinister the-media-only-cares-about-pretty-white-people intentions to the fact that his blog entry was picked up by a newspaper, and I take issue with THAT.
The story was picked up, as I and numerous others have pointed out repeatedly, because New Zealand is a tiny country, one of their citizens made the news in the USA, and wrote about it. Perhaps you don't understand this because you grew up in NYC where there is always plenty of news to go around, but where most people come from, something like this IS a big deal. Have you ever seen the Ithaca Times? They'll print a full-page treatise on the local Wegman's revamping the meat department if there's nothing else to fill the space.
Long story short: If this were in the Times, I might agree with you. But it's not. It's in the New Zealand Herald. Get over it. -
bluedove wrote: ...you are lending sinister the-media-only-cares-about-pretty-white-people intentions to the fact that his blog entry was picked up by a newspaper, and I take issue with THAT.
That actually is an issue that exists in modern media and is so pervasive even fictional shows like "Law & Order" disucss the issue of race playing into coverage. Let alone real news programs such as "Nightline".
If you want to blind yourself to that fact, that's your choice. But there's little doubt in my mind that someone who is white, photogenic and a victim will always get press over someone else who is not. And in the case of Glen Waterhouse, I think it's quite a valid and real point. And a correct point.bluedove wrote: Get over it.
Same straight back at you. Denial is tough to deal with. -
Jack wrote: [quote=bluedove]...you are lending sinister the-media-only-cares-about-pretty-white-people intentions to the fact that his blog entry was picked up by a newspaper, and I take issue with THAT.
That actually is an issue that exists in modern media and is so pervasive even fictional shows like "Law & Order" disucss the issue of race playing into coverage. Let alone real news programs such as "Nightline".
If you want to blind yourself to that fact, that's your choice. But there's little doubt in my mind that someone who is white, photogenic and a victim will always get press over someone else who is not. And in the case of Glen Waterhouse, I think it's quite a valid and real point. And a correct point.
C'mon Jack, let it go already. I think you made the exact opposite argument in the "Oklahoma kids get beaten up and called crackers" thread when Candicissima and I criticized the Daily News story on the same grounds. -
I don't see a problem in blaming the New Zealand Herald for US media bias. Makes perfect sense.
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qtrain wrote: I don't see a problem in blaming the New Zealand Herald for US media bias. Makes perfect sense.
How about just general media bias? Europe has massive issues with that as well. -
Subject: In Memory of Jack
Hit the road, Jack - and don't you come back no more, no more, no more, no more
Off the thread, Jack and don’t you come back no more (What you say?)
Woah, Jacky, oh Jacky -- don't treat this kiwi so mean
You're the meanest old poster that I've ever seen
I guess if we said so
You have to pack your things and go (That's right)
Hit the road, Jack - and don't you come back no more, no more, no more, no more.... -
Carnivore wrote: C'mon Jack, let it go already. I think you made the exact opposite argument in the "Oklahoma kids get beaten up and called crackers" thread when Candicissima and I criticized the Daily News story on the same grounds.
If you attempt debate based on superficially generalities, I guess you're right. But you're wrong.
In the case of the "Oklahoma kids get beaten up and called crackers" thread that issue was unique because reverse racism does not get coverage in local media at all. The incorrect argument that you and Candicissima make is that somehow that article was placed becuase of some hidden political agenda. Candicissima's argument was also that it was done as a method of sparking political points in some way. A bizarre claim at best. And now--less than a day after election day--a claim that has been proven to be more than wrong.
In the case Glen Waterhouse there is an overabundance of coverage of young, white, photogenic victims of crime in this world. Who cares? My disdain comes from the fact that yet another story of yet another young, white, photogenic victim of crime has made print. And when all is said and done *YAWN*. Whatever.
My point in both cases is simple. Media coverage of issues does have a racial tint that really warps things. And it's not great to say the least.Anonymous wrote: Hit the road, Jack - and don't you come back no more, no more, no more, no more
Nice anonymous retort! There's lots of 'guests' with great ideas here! Let's sign them up with registered accounts!
Off the thread, Jack and don’t you come back no more (What you say?)
Woah, Jacky, oh Jacky -- don't treat this kiwi so mean
You're the meanest old poster that I've ever seen
I guess if we said so
You have to pack your things and go (That's right)
Hit the road, Jack - and don't you come back no more, no more, no more, no more.... -
Jack wrote: [quote=Carnivore]C'mon Jack, let it go already. I think you made the exact opposite argument in the "Oklahoma kids get beaten up and called crackers" thread when Candicissima and I criticized the Daily News story on the same grounds.
If you attempt debate based on superficially generalities, I guess you're right. But you're wrong.
In the case of the "Oklahoma kids get beaten up and called crackers" thread that issue was unique because reverse racism does not get coverage in local media at all. The incorrect argument that you and Candicissima make is that somehow that article was placed becuase of some hidden political agenda. Candicissima's argument was also that it was done as a method of sparking political points in some way. A bizarre claim at best. And now--less than a day after election day--a claim that has been proven to be more than wrong.
In the case Glen Waterhouse there is an overabundance of coverage of young, white, photogenic victims of crime in this world. Who cares? My disdain comes from the fact that yet another story of yet another young, white, photogenic victim of crime has made print. And when all is said and done *YAWN*. Whatever.
My point in both cases is simple. Media coverage of issues does have a racial tint that really warps things. And it's not great to say the least.
It sounds like the only difference between under-covered "reverse racism" and over-hyped "photogenic white foreigner attacked by thug" is how much sympathy you personally have for the victim. It's not a very sound argument. -
Anonymous wrote: Hit the road, Jack - and don't you come back no more, no more, no more, no more
Nice anonymous retort! There's lots of 'guests' with great ideas here! Let's sign them up with registered accounts!
Off the thread, Jack and don’t you come back no more (What you say?)
Woah, Jacky, oh Jacky -- don't treat this kiwi so mean
You're the meanest old poster that I've ever seen
I guess if we said so
You have to pack your things and go (That's right)
Hit the road, Jack - and don't you come back no more, no more, no more, no more....
Sorry Jack - this was from me - I wasn't logged in. All in good fun pal. In any case, I keep noticing that you can't get over how photogenic my friend Glen is. I'm sorry to report that he's taken at the moment, but I'll PM you as soon as anything changes. -
Carnivore wrote: It sounds like the only difference between under-covered "reverse racism" and over-hyped "photogenic white foreigner attacked by thug" is how much sympathy you personally have for the victim. It's not a very sound argument.
Didn't realize I was in a debating match. Are you a professional reprobate?This is my opinion and the opinion of a few others. Who cares what you think? You don't agree, then don't agree.
So grow up a bit a realize not every discussion is a debate or pissing match. Knowing you Carnivore you're probably hound me with pathetic "Just admit you're wrong!" bullshit PMs until the lithium kicks in.
Have a great night!
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