Hoping You'll Disappear
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Dunno, the pink one might get you confused with a Subgenii.
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And for all of you retro fans out there, don't forget the classic favorite: honky!
Pesonally, I think of handkerchief whenever this term is used.
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Anonymous wrote: [quote=Putnam-denizen]No, "Guest", you actually said "african-american is racist name too.", then you went on to say West Indians would be insulted to be called that, and Black (actually you used "black", but I've found it more respectfully to capitalize ethnic or racial categories) would be best. Whether your intention or not you sound pedantic, and not willing to be satisfied by the term anyone uses. And I know many a person of African descent who doesn't like the term "Black" for a whole host of reasons.
i am tired of your small minded ignorance. i am not the guest who said whitey and besides it was used in a quote from a blog they posted. reading is fundamental. i don't say whitey. i much prefer a word that begins with C that you would like even less. good day CAC.
There certainly is room for a discussion of what race means to people, why "White" people need to see themselves as something other than the default color of humanity. But is that really a conversation you are willing and able to have? Of course you are free to continue with your now quite extension torrent of citations, name-calling, finger-pointing, etc, but I don't think you will find many very engaged by it.
I know nothing about you (your age, your experience, etc), but you sound very young to me, and very willing to pigeonhole other people. Your presumption that others haven't thought about these issues or that they are not persons of goodwill (even if they use a term you don't like) is a barrier to communication. Perhaps what makes some of this difficult is you have taken a number of threads to an abstract (if strangely puerile) level. What was interesting about the "white people don't say hi" topic was it grounded a discussion of individual fears, expectations, and group stereotypes into the concrete.
But don't call anyone whitey again. It isn't nice.
So by your response I can assume that no, you aren't interested in having a respectful dialogue about these issues. Perhaps if you do, you can come down to one of the many spots in my part of the neighborhood (Grand 275, Outpost etc) where people of different backgrounds chat, confront, engage, disagree, laugh at each other, often on the very subjects which are dear to your heart (and dare I say it?) and mine as well. You will find that most people avoid calling each other names. -
Anonymous wrote: [quote=Putnam-denizen]No, "Guest", you actually said "african-american is racist name too.", then you went on to say West Indians would be insulted to be called that, and Black (actually you used "black", but I've found it more respectfully to capitalize ethnic or racial categories) would be best. Whether your intention or not you sound pedantic, and not willing to be satisfied by the term anyone uses. And I know many a person of African descent who doesn't like the term "Black" for a whole host of reasons.
i am tired of your small minded ignorance. i am not the guest who said whitey and besides it was used in a quote from a blog they posted. reading is fundamental. i don't say whitey. i much prefer a word that begins with C that you would like even less. good day CAC.
There certainly is room for a discussion of what race means to people, why "White" people need to see themselves as something other than the default color of humanity. But is that really a conversation you are willing and able to have? Of course you are free to continue with your now quite extension torrent of citations, name-calling, finger-pointing, etc, but I don't think you will find many very engaged by it.
I know nothing about you (your age, your experience, etc), but you sound very young to me, and very willing to pigeonhole other people. Your presumption that others haven't thought about these issues or that they are not persons of goodwill (even if they use a term you don't like) is a barrier to communication. Perhaps what makes some of this difficult is you have taken a number of threads to an abstract (if strangely puerile) level. What was interesting about the "white people don't say hi" topic was it grounded a discussion of individual fears, expectations, and group stereotypes into the concrete.
But don't call anyone whitey again. It isn't nice.
So by your response I can assume that no, you aren't interested in having a respectful dialogue about these issues. Perhaps if you do, you can come down to one of the many spots in my part of the neighborhood (Grand 275, Outpost etc) where people of different backgrounds chat, confront, engage, disagree, laugh at each other, often on the very subjects which are dear to your heart (and dare I say it?) and mine as well. You will find that most people avoid calling each other names. -
Putnam-denizen wrote:
You people did a hostile takeover of the neighborhood and many people were pushed out of their homes due to your greed. Nuff said.
So by your response I can assume that no, you aren't interested in having a respectful dialogue about these issues. Perhaps if you do, you can come down to one of the many spots in my part of the neighborhood (Grand 275, Outpost etc) where people of different backgrounds chat, confront, engage, disagree, laugh at each other, often on the very subjects which are dear to your heart (and dare I say it?) and mine as well. You will find that most people avoid calling each other names. -
Putnam-denizen wrote:
You people did a hostile takeover of the neighborhood and many people were pushed out of their homes due to your greed. Nuff said.
So by your response I can assume that no, you aren't interested in having a respectful dialogue about these issues. Perhaps if you do, you can come down to one of the many spots in my part of the neighborhood (Grand 275, Outpost etc) where people of different backgrounds chat, confront, engage, disagree, laugh at each other, often on the very subjects which are dear to your heart (and dare I say it?) and mine as well. You will find that most people avoid calling each other names. -
Anonymous wrote: [quote=Putnam-denizen]
You people did a hostile takeover of the neighborhood and many people were pushed out of their homes due to your greed. Nuff said.
So by your response I can assume that no, you aren't interested in having a respectful dialogue about these issues. Perhaps if you do, you can come down to one of the many spots in my part of the neighborhood (Grand 275, Outpost etc) where people of different backgrounds chat, confront, engage, disagree, laugh at each other, often on the very subjects which are dear to your heart (and dare I say it?) and mine as well. You will find that most people avoid calling each other names.
...Exactly which people are you referring to? Because if you're referring to African-Americans being displaced due to gentrifiers, I think the poor Irish who had been there before the African-Americans pushed THEM out would have something to say to that. -
Anonymous wrote: [quote=Putnam-denizen]
You people did a hostile takeover of the neighborhood and many people were pushed out of their homes due to your greed. Nuff said.
So by your response I can assume that no, you aren't interested in having a respectful dialogue about these issues. Perhaps if you do, you can come down to one of the many spots in my part of the neighborhood (Grand 275, Outpost etc) where people of different backgrounds chat, confront, engage, disagree, laugh at each other, often on the very subjects which are dear to your heart (and dare I say it?) and mine as well. You will find that most people avoid calling each other names.
...Exactly which people are you referring to? Because if you're referring to African-Americans being displaced due to gentrifiers, I think the poor Irish who had been there before the African-Americans pushed THEM out would have something to say to that. -
Anonymous wrote: [quote=Putnam-denizen]
You people did a hostile takeover of the neighborhood and many people were pushed out of their homes due to your greed. Nuff said.
So by your response I can assume that no, you aren't interested in having a respectful dialogue about these issues. Perhaps if you do, you can come down to one of the many spots in my part of the neighborhood (Grand 275, Outpost etc) where people of different backgrounds chat, confront, engage, disagree, laugh at each other, often on the very subjects which are dear to your heart (and dare I say it?) and mine as well. You will find that most people avoid calling each other names.
Um, that isn't really responsive to my post. Are you sure you are a human being and not some sort of computer-generated personality? You seem to be caught in a little bit of an endless hate-loop here. If you get out of it you could join me for a drink and we could share our analysis of "How the Irish Became White" by Noel Ignatiev with Queencallipygos. -
Anonymous wrote: [quote=Putnam-denizen]
You people did a hostile takeover of the neighborhood and many people were pushed out of their homes due to your greed. Nuff said.
So by your response I can assume that no, you aren't interested in having a respectful dialogue about these issues. Perhaps if you do, you can come down to one of the many spots in my part of the neighborhood (Grand 275, Outpost etc) where people of different backgrounds chat, confront, engage, disagree, laugh at each other, often on the very subjects which are dear to your heart (and dare I say it?) and mine as well. You will find that most people avoid calling each other names.
Um, that isn't really responsive to my post. Are you sure you are a human being and not some sort of computer-generated personality? You seem to be caught in a little bit of an endless hate-loop here. If you get out of it you could join me for a drink and we could share our analysis of "How the Irish Became White" by Noel Ignatiev with Queencallipygos. -
queencallipygos wrote: [quote=Anonymous][quote=Putnam-denizen]
You people did a hostile takeover of the neighborhood and many people were pushed out of their homes due to your greed. Nuff said.
So by your response I can assume that no, you aren't interested in having a respectful dialogue about these issues. Perhaps if you do, you can come down to one of the many spots in my part of the neighborhood (Grand 275, Outpost etc) where people of different backgrounds chat, confront, engage, disagree, laugh at each other, often on the very subjects which are dear to your heart (and dare I say it?) and mine as well. You will find that most people avoid calling each other names.
...Exactly which people are you referring to? Because if you're referring to African-Americans being displaced due to gentrifiers, I think the poor Irish who had been there before the African-Americans pushed THEM out would have something to say to that.
Guest,
Even though I've been living in the neighborhood for half a year, I know that. Please learn a little more about the history of your neighborhood before trashing people ... Nobody owns a neighborhood. You could own at most one or more lots. -
queencallipygos wrote: [quote=Anonymous][quote=Putnam-denizen]
You people did a hostile takeover of the neighborhood and many people were pushed out of their homes due to your greed. Nuff said.
So by your response I can assume that no, you aren't interested in having a respectful dialogue about these issues. Perhaps if you do, you can come down to one of the many spots in my part of the neighborhood (Grand 275, Outpost etc) where people of different backgrounds chat, confront, engage, disagree, laugh at each other, often on the very subjects which are dear to your heart (and dare I say it?) and mine as well. You will find that most people avoid calling each other names.
...Exactly which people are you referring to? Because if you're referring to African-Americans being displaced due to gentrifiers, I think the poor Irish who had been there before the African-Americans pushed THEM out would have something to say to that.
Guest,
Even though I've been living in the neighborhood for half a year, I know that. Please learn a little more about the history of your neighborhood before trashing people ... Nobody owns a neighborhood. You could own at most one or more lots. -
This thread went to hell, now didn't it?
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This thread went to hell, now didn't it?
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I thought the neighborhood was primarily Italian ( OK, Italian-American) before the demographic shift to African American (OK, Black).
Even though I'm white (oops: White) and therefore probably not entitled to an opinion on this issue, I always found the term 'African American' to be fairly ridiculous and the branding of politicians who operate on another plane altogether. It rather smacks of marketing to me. I never referred to myself as a "European American" and would blanch if someone attempted to refer to me as such.
Furthermore, what of {Black} people that live in, say, Canada? I've never once heard anyone make reference to an "African Canadian". -
I thought the neighborhood was primarily Italian ( OK, Italian-American) before the demographic shift to African American (OK, Black).
Even though I'm white (oops: White) and therefore probably not entitled to an opinion on this issue, I always found the term 'African American' to be fairly ridiculous and the branding of politicians who operate on another plane altogether. It rather smacks of marketing to me. I never referred to myself as a "European American" and would blanch if someone attempted to refer to me as such.
Furthermore, what of {Black} people that live in, say, Canada? I've never once heard anyone make reference to an "African Canadian". -
Actually I have heard the African Canadian term, but it seems a pretty clear recent imitation of the American term.
While you may blanch (pun intended?) at being called European American, those who have pushed that term and other equivalents have been doing so to attack the idea that "White" is the norm, and all else is a departure from it.
And of course you are entitle to an opinion on anything. -
Actually I have heard the African Canadian term, but it seems a pretty clear recent imitation of the American term.
While you may blanch (pun intended?) at being called European American, those who have pushed that term and other equivalents have been doing so to attack the idea that "White" is the norm, and all else is a departure from it.
And of course you are entitle to an opinion on anything. -
Subject: name calling
Wow. So much name calling and hatred toward people you dont even know.
I go to this site to learn more of my neighborhood, the people who live here, and things that happen. It's really unfortunate that, even in this time of hope (Obama '08), we can still act so negatively toward our fellow neighbors. We are supposed to be coming together, people(by 'people', I include, white, black, latin, asian, or whatever label of the day you prefer to be called).
I am a 'White' woman. I say hello to everyone on the street when we make eye contact, which I try to do to get to know my neighborhood better. I do not go out of my way to say hello to certain people, ie teenagers who are screaming and calling eachother by the most derogatory term I can think of. As adults, there really is no reason we cannot get along. We don't all have to be great friends, but I think we should be able to respect one another, be polite, and get on with our lives. Isn't it easier to just nod or say hello, rather than wasting that energy thinking that person is a ______(you fill in the blank).
Can we all please get over using racism as an excuse (on both sides), until someone specifically acts in that way toward you?!?! Most of us just want to live a happy life. Yes, neighborhoods change, colors change, colors also mix. FT Greene is gentrified, but there are many mixed couples/families living here. How does it make kids feel when people talk about how their dad has pushed their mom's family out of the hood? When we moved here, we didn't force or push anyone out. My landlord is black and he lets us live here. How does that make US the ones who 'pushed black people out'? That's ridiculous. No neighborhood has the right to be so insular. This is the 21st century.
Peace. Hope to see you on the street and say hello. -
Subject: Re: name calling
kaz73 wrote: Wow. So much name calling and hatred toward people you dont even know.
First of all it is beyond disgusting how white people are trying to so quickly use Obama to try and claim oh racism over now and wash away all your past sins. Nope. We ain't having it. You only show more of your true colors with that.
I go to this site to learn more of my neighborhood, the people who live here, and things that happen. It's really unfortunate that, even in this time of hope (Obama '08), we can still act so negatively toward our fellow neighbors. We are supposed to be coming together, people(by 'people', I include, white, black, latin, asian, or whatever label of the day you prefer to be called).
I am a 'White' woman. I say hello to everyone on the street when we make eye contact, which I try to do to get to know my neighborhood better. I do not go out of my way to say hello to certain people, ie teenagers who are screaming and calling eachother by the most derogatory term I can think of. As adults, there really is no reason we cannot get along. We don't all have to be great friends, but I think we should be able to respect one another, be polite, and get on with our lives. Isn't it easier to just nod or say hello, rather than wasting that energy thinking that person is a ______(you fill in the blank).
Can we all please get over using racism as an excuse (on both sides), until someone specifically acts in that way toward you?!?! Most of us just want to live a happy life. Yes, neighborhoods change, colors change, colors also mix. FT Greene is gentrified, but there are many mixed couples/families living here. How does it make kids feel when people talk about how their dad has pushed their mom's family out of the hood? When we moved here, we didn't force or push anyone out. My landlord is black and he lets us live here. How does that make US the ones who 'pushed black people out'? That's ridiculous. No neighborhood has the right to be so insular. This is the 21st century.
Peace. Hope to see you on the street and say hello.
Second, YOU are the ones who are willing to pay the exorbitant prices and outbid people on apartments. If nobody was willing to pay the prices, they would have not went up. Thats how you people do you use your $ to insure you get it all to yourselves. Nothing new here. *yawns*
How do the kids feel? They are angry and sad and scared seeing all their friends and family displaced and they know you did it. Thats why they throw rocks and bottles at you.
Have a nice day. -
Subject: Re: name calling
Anonymous wrote: [quote=kaz73]Wow. So much name calling and hatred toward people you dont even know.
First of all it is beyond disgusting how white people are trying to so quickly use Obama to try and claim oh racism over now and wash away all your past sins. Nope. We ain't having it. You only show more of your true colors with that.
I go to this site to learn more of my neighborhood, the people who live here, and things that happen. It's really unfortunate that, even in this time of hope (Obama '08), we can still act so negatively toward our fellow neighbors. We are supposed to be coming together, people(by 'people', I include, white, black, latin, asian, or whatever label of the day you prefer to be called).
I am a 'White' woman. I say hello to everyone on the street when we make eye contact, which I try to do to get to know my neighborhood better. I do not go out of my way to say hello to certain people, ie teenagers who are screaming and calling eachother by the most derogatory term I can think of. As adults, there really is no reason we cannot get along. We don't all have to be great friends, but I think we should be able to respect one another, be polite, and get on with our lives. Isn't it easier to just nod or say hello, rather than wasting that energy thinking that person is a ______(you fill in the blank).
Can we all please get over using racism as an excuse (on both sides), until someone specifically acts in that way toward you?!?! Most of us just want to live a happy life. Yes, neighborhoods change, colors change, colors also mix. FT Greene is gentrified, but there are many mixed couples/families living here. How does it make kids feel when people talk about how their dad has pushed their mom's family out of the hood? When we moved here, we didn't force or push anyone out. My landlord is black and he lets us live here. How does that make US the ones who 'pushed black people out'? That's ridiculous. No neighborhood has the right to be so insular. This is the 21st century.
Peace. Hope to see you on the street and say hello.
Second, YOU are the ones who are willing to pay the exorbitant prices and outbid people on apartments. If nobody was willing to pay the prices, they would have not went up. Thats how you people do you use your $ to insure you get it all to yourselves. Nothing new here. *yawns*
How do the kids feel? They are angry and sad and scared seeing all their friends and family displaced and they know you did it. Thats why they throw rocks and bottles at you.
Have a nice day.
Please pardon the cliche, but the only true constant is change. Bed-Stuy is changing just as it has in the past.
Exactly who is "you" and "you people"? Do you mean white people? Because if you do I hate to point out to you that blacks are also gentrifying the neighborhood. Yes, it's possible, especially if you look at gentrification as being a "class" thing just as much as it is a "race" thing, which it definitely is.
As for kids who throw bottles... well that's just bad upbringing. -
To the guest two posts up....
I am not 'using Obama' to say racism is over. I believe this country is far from being racist. There are plenty of people from every background who are racist toward others. I was simply saying that I enjoy all people and say hello to everyone in my neighborhood (response to another post).
Also, my landlord did not raise the rent because we are white. I don't make very much money at all. The neighbors on either side of us(black and Hispanic) make more than we do, drive fancy cars, and shop at Fairway, while we pinch coupons for Pathmark. We both work in public schools and get 40% of every check taken out.
Thirdly, kids in my neighborhood don't 'throw bottles', they play football with us after work, call out to us from across the street, and introduce us to their families.
The reason for my post was to try and invoke some peace around here. There is no need for all the hate. Most people are really nice if you don't start out being rude.
Finally, to te poster just above.....when I said 'you', I meant anyone who would be reading this post.
Thanks for reading and not replying with unnecessary hatred. -
Sorry...one more thing to the poster 3 up fro this one.....
Again, we didn't push anyone out of their apartment.
Our landlord owns his home and rented us a part of it. Also, he actually lowered the rent, as no one was renting it and we couldn't afford what he was asking.
Peace. -
kaz73 wrote: I believe this country is far from being racist.
what country are you in? -
Anonymous wrote: [quote=kaz73] I believe this country is far from being racist.
what country are you in?
Guest - did you read the rest of his/her post? -
Putnam-denizen wrote:
yeah. and?
Guest - did you read the rest of his/her post? -
Anonymous wrote: [quote=Putnam-denizen]
yeah. and?
Guest - did you read the rest of his/her post?
It looks like it was a typo. I am assuming she meant "this country is far from being not racist". -
tennisfan wrote: [quote=Anonymous][quote=Putnam-denizen]
yeah. and?
Guest - did you read the rest of his/her post?
It looks like it was a typo. I am assuming she meant "this country is far from being not racist".
Exactly. But go ahead, keep assuming the worst of everyone, "guest." I am sure it makes you a lovely person to be around. I hereby withdraw my previous offer to meet me for drinks and have a real conversation about the issues which are so important to both of us. You have proven yourself tedious and predictable, "guest." Begone - and take that little doggie with you too! -
Subject: Re: name calling
Anonymous wrote: Second, YOU are the ones who are willing to pay the exorbitant prices and outbid people on apartments. If nobody was willing to pay the prices, they would have not went up. Thats how you people do you use your $ to insure you get it all to yourselves. Nothing new here. *yawns*
Uhm, shouldn't they be throwing rocks and bottles at the landords?
How do the kids feel? They are angry and sad and scared seeing all their friends and family displaced and they know you did it. Thats why they throw rocks and bottles at you.
Have a nice day.
If you think the price of milk is too high don't get MAD at ME because I'm buying milk for my kid. Get mad at the dairy farmers or the truckers or the guy who sells the grain to the dairy farmer or the State assembly for imposing taxes, etc. etc. Don't get mad at the consumer.
PS - Please don't throw rocks and bottles at landlords. Or at anyone. Its not nice. -
Putnam-denizen wrote:
Why do you even think I or anyone else would want to have drinks with you?
Exactly. But go ahead, keep assuming the worst of everyone, "guest." I am sure it makes you a lovely person to be around. I hereby withdraw my previous offer to meet me for drinks and have a real conversation about the issues which are so important to both of us. You have proven yourself tedious and predictable, "guest." Begone - and take that little doggie with you too!
You be gone and go back to Minnesota or Connecticut or wherever it is you are from. YOU the tedious and predictable one. *yawn*
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