Why are the whites moving back to this neighborhood?
I live on President and Bedford Ave. Out of curiosity, why are the whites moving back to this neighborhood?( I do welcome them.)
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its cheap, compare to other places in brooklyn or manhattan. people go where they can afford. plus the suburbs is too costly in time to travel to work and gas for cars, and no time with kids.
plus kids when they are growing up in the burbs, they have sex and do drugs or the mall(i know city kids do it too), no after school stuff like here in the city.
there are more options of things to do here in nyc. -
Because they get no "cred" from other white people (read: "yuppie/hipster transplants") for moving into safer but equally cheap neighborhoods like Borough Park, Kensington, Bensonhurst, etc.
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Obamanut wrote: Because they get no "cred" from other white people (read: "yuppie/hipster transplants") for moving into safer but equally cheap neighborhoods like Borough Park, Kensington, Bensonhurst, etc.
so true so true. i always wonder why they don't move to other areas. -
Same reason black folk are moving into the neighborhood! Really trying to understand what presupposition underlies the question....can you help me out...then maybe a more cogent response...
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My my "white ass" perspective only!
I have a theory that its generational. My Eastern European great-grandparents came over like many through Ellies Island and settled in the city. All four of my resulting grandparents grew up in the city (Brooklyn and Manhattan). After the war, they married and moved to LI where they raised families. LI at the time, was a great place for young families and its growth was exponential. Major businesses such Grumman created job security and pension plans. Cops, firemen, construction, list goes on, made the area out there a place to raise families for the next generation (my parents).
If you didn't follow in your parents footsteps back then (going into the family business or a second generation cop), you worked in the city (70's-80's), but you hated the commute and you hated the city.
So then they start to have families and those kids (me) find an island that is more and more expensive with every year your growing up there (the boomin' 80's!) and at this point, many of the major companies are dying or dead (Grumman), or our parents are working there, so there aren't enough good, career-oriented jobs. Without much choice, we in turn, move back to the city, thus completing the circle of life!
But that's just my theory. -
I like the A Train. I'll keep moving along it further and further out....
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Obamanut wrote: Because they get no "cred" from other white people (read: "yuppie/hipster transplants") for moving into safer but equally cheap neighborhoods like Borough Park, Kensington, Bensonhurst, etc.
I had no idea of neighborhood names or anything Brooklyn-centric when I moved here. In retrospect, I _did_ check out apartments in that area. I decided against them and for Crown Heights because the mass transit options were better here, and also because of the proximity to Prospect Park, the big library, etc. for me and the kids. -
Obamanut wrote: Because they get no "cred" from other white people (read: "yuppie/hipster transplants") for moving into safer but equally cheap neighborhoods like Borough Park, Kensington, Bensonhurst, etc.
Sorry but this is a stupid myth that people need to stop repeating. No white people I know that live in these neighborhoods do it for any sort of credibility. That is a pure fallacy. They move there because it's what they can afford and because it's more of a convenient commute to Manhattan or closer to other amenities (such as Prospect Park or Park Slope). Please stop spreading these moronic fables that only serve to inspire irrational hatred. -
pretty much on board with daver & sneaky flutes
tho, for me
after looking at 50 houses
the number one reason why i moved to ch was
that i fell in love with the house -
Obamanut, where do you live? Most of your posts are on the Park Slope board, with some in Crown Heights and Prospect Heights. I'm just curious since according to you Park Slope is full yuppies/hippies, and Prospect Heights and Crown Heights are filled with gentrifiers and white people seeking "street cred".
I've lived in NY for 27 years, Brooklyn for 25. I work in Park Slope but can't afford to live there or Prospect Heights. I chose Crown Heights since I found a place I could afford that would take my 2 dogs. It's close enough to my job to walk if I want to, 2 buses to take if it's nasty weather, and it's still close to my parents in Brooklyn Heights. I have zero desire to get "street cred" from people I don't give 2 shits about. And Crown Heights today is certainly no worse than neighborhoods I hung out in as a teenager. -
when i lived in ch, it was because i was broke, underemployed, had a 4 figure student loan payment every month, and needed an apt big enough for a band practice space.
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armchair_warrior wrote:
Can you back that up at all? Growing up in "the burbs" I had an endless choice of things to do after school, on the weekends and in the summer months. Not once was I ever bored as a kid. I never did drugs or hung out in the mall. Public schools offer every sport you could want to play, every type of club you could want to join and endless music and art programs. I don't think I ever came home after school because I was so busy with after school activities.
plus kids when they are growing up in the burbs, they have sex and do drugs or the mall(i know city kids do it too), no after school stuff like here in the city.
there are more options of things to do here in nyc.
Why would you even mention doing drugs and having sex if you later admit that city kids do the same things? Are you saying that suburban kids do more drugs or have more sex than NYC kids? I would have to disagree with you if you think that. -
I moved to PH (across the st from CH) partly because the dominican/mexican drug war in hamilton/washington heights was a little scary (dudes getting stabbed on broadway and 145th on saturday afternoons; people getting gunned down mere blocks away from me, etc); partly because I could afford it (I don't believe in paying half my income or more for rent/mortgage. I think that's just plain financially irresponsible.); and partly because there were already folks I knew in the area and businesses I'd frequented with said folks (like soda and aliseo).
I've stayed because it is a fantastic cultural blend and almost everyone I meet here, unless they puke on me, is pretty awesome. oh. and I'm hispanic. but frequently confused for jewish.
in other words, OP, you've asked a really silly question. -
ParadeRest wrote: [quote=armchair_warrior]
Are you saying that suburban kids do more drugs or have more sex than NYC kids? I would have to disagree with you if you think that.
plus kids when they are growing up in the burbs, they have sex and do drugs or the mall(i know city kids do it too), no after school stuff like here in the city.
there are more options of things to do here in nyc.
this is strictly anecdotal, but at the SUNY school where i teach, there is a mix of city kids and suburban ones (plus some rural and some out-of-staters). the city kids i talk to are very often shocked at the tales of the suburban kids' debauched teenage years. i'm thinking particularly of the appalled reaction of a young woman from harlem who now lives in flatbush.
oh, and i moved to ch because it was a place i could afford with quick transportation to grand central, where i needed to catch a train to school. i didn't consider living in the suburbs because i wanted to be around the cultural institutions, restaurants, people, etc., in the city and i didn't want to be stuck in traffic in a car all the time.
we also looked at astoria, LIC, w'burg/greenpoint, windsor terrace and inwood, as well as other neighborhoods bordering ch. we liked this neighborhood and the apartment we found here, so we've stayed. i would never have considered living as far as bensonhurst. too much time spent commuting. -
In my experience, that statement about "the burbs" applies much more to what I think of as rural kids. When I went to college and finally met my first true small-town folks--who went to school with 400 or less kids, while my suburban school had 2000--I was really surprised. I'd always assumed small town = innocent. But no, with nothing to do most of time, they got into some serious shit.
In the suburbs, of course kids are doing drugs and having sex, but it's really not for lack of after-school activities. I too felt like I was barely at home, what with sports and music and art classes and work.
Oh, and I'm not white and don't have a comment on the original question...was just confused by the "burbs" comment. -
because they are taking over every square inch of every borough of this city. i wonder where the rest of us are supposed to go.
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I moved to PH, but close to CH, because it makes me appear more hard core.
(I should note that it is virtually impossible for my Norwegian ass to look anything close to hard core.)
I'll start over - close to the Q/B, 2/3, C...fit in to our price range at the time...the apartment itself was a bit nicer than others we had viewed...it is fairly close to other friends that had moved to the area before us...I'm hoping that my living here helps to rapidly gentrify the area and erase any evidence of past residents, whatsoever. -
Anonymous wrote: because they are taking over every square inch of every borough of this city. i wonder where the rest of us are supposed to go.
Wow... I guess back down South, or home to Barbados, etc...Actually, many people who lived in Central Brooklyn decided to do just that and sold their homes before leaving to a few of the same white people who are "taking over." Many have gone home, realized they love Brooklyn too much to stay away, and can't afford to come back and have the same standard of living they had before leaving. They can't afford to buy what they sold. But I digress...
I would have to disagree with the first sentence in your previous statement, as quoted above. Secondly, for those who are the beneficiaries of rent control and stablization, as long as the rent is paid and they commit no major infractions, they can pretty much stay where they are. Of course there are rent increases made due to increases in property taxes and utilities which does affect tenants, but that is not a black people white people issue - it's a money issue. For those who are seeking to purchase property, They just have to jump into the pool with everybody else and swim for dear life!
The issue isn't white people taking over. The situation is that people need someplace to live that they can afford and gives them at least a bit of something - travel options, stores (such as they are), outdoor space(the park), artistic outlets (the museum), a beautiful piece of property, something. Much of of the neighborhood change it is rooted in the economics of our city. That's what I think. -
I was up that way yesterday and was shocked how many I saw. They look SOOOO out of place too LOL.
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Anonymous wrote: I was up that way yesterday and was shocked how many I saw. They look SOOOO out of place too LOL.
I agree. acorns with feet wearing pink wigs and camo pants are a little freaky. good luck. -
sneaky flutes wrote: [quote=Obamanut]Because they get no "cred" from other white people (read: "yuppie/hipster transplants") for moving into safer but equally cheap neighborhoods like Borough Park, Kensington, Bensonhurst, etc.
Sorry but this is a stupid myth that people need to stop repeating. No white people I know that live in these neighborhoods do it for any sort of credibility. That is a pure fallacy. They move there because it's what they can afford and because it's more of a convenient commute to Manhattan or closer to other amenities (such as Prospect Park or Park Slope). Please stop spreading these moronic fables that only serve to inspire irrational hatred.
Where is your data to back up your statement? What is the validity of that data.
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brooklynboy3 wrote: [quote=sneaky flutes][quote=Obamanut]Because they get no "cred" from other white people (read: "yuppie/hipster transplants") for moving into safer but equally cheap neighborhoods like Borough Park, Kensington, Bensonhurst, etc.
Sorry but this is a stupid myth that people need to stop repeating. No white people I know that live in these neighborhoods do it for any sort of credibility. That is a pure fallacy. They move there because it's what they can afford and because it's more of a convenient commute to Manhattan or closer to other amenities (such as Prospect Park or Park Slope). Please stop spreading these moronic fables that only serve to inspire irrational hatred.
Where is your data to back up your statement? What is the validity of that data.
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brooklynboy3 wrote: [quote=sneaky flutes][quote=Obamanut]Because they get no "cred" from other white people (read: "yuppie/hipster transplants") for moving into safer but equally cheap neighborhoods like Borough Park, Kensington, Bensonhurst, etc.
Sorry but this is a stupid myth that people need to stop repeating. No white people I know that live in these neighborhoods do it for any sort of credibility. That is a pure fallacy. They move there because it's what they can afford and because it's more of a convenient commute to Manhattan or closer to other amenities (such as Prospect Park or Park Slope). Please stop spreading these moronic fables that only serve to inspire irrational hatred.
Where is your data to back up your statement? What is the validity of that data.
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....I'd actually like to see the data to back up the OTHER claim about white people deciding where to live based on how much "cred" they could get. -
Because they can actually afford it - you can't even find a place in Bushwick now for less than $900 a person (unless you live off of Halsey or Wilson). There's no massive bed bug problem like Greenpoint (knock on wood), safer than Bed Sty by a pinch, you get space and nice architecture, express trains, and close to the park and other attractions.
New York City thrives on change, always has, always will. That's what brings so many people to this city. 10 years ago the Lower East Side was the "ghetto," and who knows, in 10 more it might be the Upper East Side. People go where they can afford, and on a retail/service industry/entry level salary, that's Crown Heights, Bed Sty, or Bushwick.
Of course, just because you're white doesn't mean you have money. I'm white and currently have 45 cents to my name. I've been surviving on pasta for a week and a half and can't even buy a single MetroCard. -
"Obamanut" wrote: Because they get no "cred" from other white people (read: "yuppie/hipster transplants") for moving into safer but equally cheap neighborhoods like Borough Park, Kensington, Bensonhurst, etc.
I lived in Bensonhurst for over 2 years. "Quality of life" may have been relatively top notch, but I was so bored that I was eventually depressed. I couldn't be at peace until I got out. Sometimes you just want the streets to rise up and speak to you. You just want your streets to have a semblance of what you value in life. I eventually moved out of my last apartment in Park Slope/Windsor Terrace (right by the movie theatre) because the price got too high, but happening upon my current Crown Heights block and wanting some of its vibrance had a lot to do with my decision to move as well.
Sadly: not that everything in the areas you mentioned are that much cheaper anymore anyway.
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bikegirl26 wrote: Because they can actually afford it - you can't even find a place in Bushwick now for less than $900 a person (unless you live off of Halsey or Wilson). There's no massive bed bug problem like Greenpoint (knock on wood), safer than Bed Sty by a pinch, you get space and nice architecture, express trains, and close to the park and other attractions.
Hi Bikegirl:
New York City thrives on change, always has, always will. That's what brings so many people to this city. 10 years ago the Lower East Side was the "ghetto," and who knows, in 10 more it might be the Upper East Side. People go where they can afford, and on a retail/service industry/entry level salary, that's Crown Heights, Bed Sty, or Bushwick.
Of course, just because you're white doesn't mean you have money. I'm white and currently have 45 cents to my name. I've been surviving on pasta for a week and a half and can't even buy a single MetroCard.
I am sorry that you have no money. I hate hearing that and it saddens me that you are living on pasta.
I can send you some money through PayPal if you like. Those reading this might think I want something in return but I do not want anything other ten to help. For me to have too much money and for you to be broke is a sad state of affairs that does nothing for either of us.
if you want to take me up on my offer, let me know either through a post or a PM.
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Hah yes, I suffer, really. <sarcasm> Thanks for the thought, I think? Payday is around the corner, so I'll manage yet again.
I'm happy that you have too much money though. I think there are people that need it more than me, rolled cigarettes really aren't that bad and thankfully I smoke so many that I can't even taste my tasteless portioned food. -
Only in America, too poor to eat, but still smoking, lol. Kidding. If you are looking for places to donate brooklynboy, I can recommend some good places I have volunteered at. The easiest would probably be to donate time and/or money to NYCares, they do awesome work in NYC and deserve to be supported.
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daver wrote: The easiest would probably be to donate time and/or money to NYCares, they do awesome work in NYC and deserve to be supported.
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daver wrote: Only in America, too poor to eat, but still smoking, lol. Kidding. If you are looking for places to donate brooklynboy, I can recommend some good places I have volunteered at. The easiest would probably be to donate time and/or money to NYCares, they do awesome work in NYC and deserve to be supported.
I understand.
I do my share of charity donating but I am usually the first one to try to help those who are broke.
Anyone offering to help a stranger is of course suspect and that is a sad commentary on this society and its inhabitants. (Myself included...)
Its just that I have spent so many years being broke that I hate to hear of it in others. The inequities in our society are so very deep and getting worse.
John Kennedy said that "a society that cannot help the many who are poor, cannot save the few who are rich."
He was right.
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