a lot of drugs on dean

Anonymous wrote: you whining about it like lil punk ass bitches. this been day to day reality for us for decades. this is the reality of brooklyn. get used to it or go back where the fuck you came from. stop your mighty whitey crusade to save the world. it ain't gonna happen. been going on since before you or i were born and will be going on long after we die. if it don't suit you, vermont is probably a more appropriate living choice for you. coming to crown heights brooklyn and whining about drugs is so beyond absurd i don't even know what else to say except just because you suddenly arrived here doesn't mean the previous world instantly changes or will ever change. no you do not control the world.

OK lets say you're right - drug dealing and the crime and violence associated w/ it have been here forever.

Would you like it to stop? I would. So would a lot of old-timers. So would a lot of new-comers. So we should stop it, right?

Do you want to stop it? Or would living in a neighborhood not plagued w/ crime and violence make you to much of a wuss? If you wanna live a crime-ridden area - how about YOU move to where the "action" is.

Of course in a few years people will move into your new hood who don't like all the dealing and violence and they'll stop it and then - GASP - where will you move then?!?

queencallipygos wrote:
People could just as easily say to you - if you want 24-hour drug traffic and cops not doing anything about it, maybe Columbia is a more appropriate living choice for you.

I thought they cleaned the drugs off Columbia street a long time ago with the gentrification of Red Hook. No?

fivefifths wrote: [quote=queencallipygos]
People could just as easily say to you - if you want 24-hour drug traffic and cops not doing anything about it, maybe Columbia is a more appropriate living choice for you.

I thought they cleaned the drugs off Columbia street a long time ago with the gentrification of Red Hook. No?

I meant Columbia the South American country.

queencallipygos wrote:

I meant Columbia the South American country.

there is no such country.

daver wrote: [quote=fivefifths][quote=queencallipygos]

I meant Columbia the South American country.

there is no such country.

There is no need to be a weenie about it. If you haven't figured it out by now, read sweet tea's posts.

I am not being a "weenie" as you say. If one is to make such hostile, derogatory and stereotypical statements they should at least spell the name of the freaking country correctly.

Now as for Colombia only certain areas are drug areas. I have been to high end resort areas there that would put any 5 star thing in this country to shame with wealthy classy people from all over the world.

*it is a good idea to know what one is talking about before one posts*

In defense of Guest, I have to say that I understand (kinda, didn't grow up here but..) where he/she's coming from.
Imagine growing up here- drugs are a fact of life and being a kid, you can't fight all the crazy shit that goes on around you. After a while, you do get hard from living city life (as a former teacher, I couldn't believe how quick those kids grew up).
Now imagine coming to this board and seeing "white people" (many colors on this board, I know, but people don't always see that) complain about the nabe. Getting defensive is not a completely unusual or irrational response.

daver wrote: [quote=Whatchuwant]Getting defensive is not a completely unusual or irrational response.

I'll see not unusual or irrational, but raise you productive.

How productive do you expect a guest poster to be? Or any poster for that matter?

daver wrote: [quote=fivefifths]I am not being a "weenie" as you say. If one is to make such hostile, derogatory and stereotypical statements they should at least spell the name of the freaking country correctly.

You are so being weenie because you knew perfectly well what was meant, and rather than disagree with it and point out the misspelling, you posted multiple messages of pointless tripe. _That_, my good sir (or madam,) is being a weenie.

the word "weenie" is not in my vocabulary and quite frankly sucks. that being said, i thought she was talking about Columbia street. Then when the correct spelling of the country was posted I got it but given her massive attitude, I would say that if there is a "weenie" it would be she.

queencallipygos wrote:
Well, this "weenie" WAS actually planning on thanking people for correcting her mistake until she read what you wrote above.

Actually, I will still thank Sweet Tea. And all I can say, fivefifths, is that if caring about the community and refusing to get bent out of shape over a god-damned TYPO makes me a "weenie," then you can draw me a mustard bath, baby.

Have you ever been to Colombia?

daver wrote:
I'm not a Colombia expert, but I would say on the one side that it is reported that 80% of cocaine comes from there, supporting her point. On the flip side, regarding the comment about cops there not doing anything about it, I seem to recall quite a lot of international enforcement support pouring into there in recent years (decades?) in order to assist local efforts to combat it.

That being said, I would think that just as it isn't fair to judge a country only on its drug areas, it probably isn't fair to judge it based only on its five star resorts either.

True. All I am saying is there is alot more to Colombia than cocaine. You wouldn't want the US judged by the rest of the world based on its drug spots/trade alone now would you?

queencallipygos wrote:
*sigh* Okay, let's get this over with.

No, I have not been to ColOmbia. I have, however, been to ColUmbia, which was a very nice town in Connecticut.

And I respect your experience that there are five-star resorts, however, given the fact that a large number of drug cartels are based there, I would question the funding for those resorts.

However, I'm sure you'd be more than happy to enlighten us more about the nation of Colombia -- at the expense of discussing matters in Crown Heights -- which clearly means that you're really just looking to have the last word, so I'm going to just go ahead and let you have it. Knock yourself out.

You are only writing about hearsay. Nothing more needs to be said. You can speak from experience on Columbia CT if you want but not on Colombia. Don't believe all the hype.

Mod here

Just a gentle reminder to stay on topic. We've got almost a full page of posts about 1) the proper spelling of either a street in Red Hook or a South American country and 2) drug activity in said country. The topic is drugs on dean or the lack thereof, and whether or not neighbors should learn to deal with them or not...

Take the rest of this to the Lounge or Brooklyn and Beyond.

I have no idea whether or not the original dude in question was selling drugs or selling rat poison. What I can tell you is that about a month ago an old timer who used to live on Dean off of Nostrand told me about a guy who is like the neighborhood rat exterminator. He said he has this poison that he sells to neighbors which happens to be great for getting rid of rats. He gave me the dude's name and number (which I have misplaced and would really like to locate now) in case I ever needed to get rid of any rats. He also told me that the rat exterminating dude lives on Dean between Nostrand and Rogers. Again, I don't know if this is the same dude, but it might very well be. My husband and I had a good chuckle about this.

As far as getting use to drug dealing culture in Crown Heights, Brooklyn (and beyond) - I don't choose to accept it as proper part of my existence here in Crown Heights Brooklyn or anywhere else. I have seen too much of it and am tired of it. I will never get used to the idea that a crack head is going to steal my plants from my yard or all of the copper out of my house. I will not get used to the fact that there are young men and women being set up to be the fall guys for the big dealers, ending up in jail and then when finally allowed to come back home to our community they are highly unemployable, therefore leading them back to danger filled, dead end lives.

There is no way that I will ever get used to drug addicted babies, explaining to my children why the incoherent-tooth-missing lady in the middle of the street looks like she is being held up by some invisible wire, drug related gang violence, or the 24 hour jewelry exchange shop that EVERYBODY knows is a drug spot yet never gets shut down. Why in the world should I get used to that? Just because somebody sits a bowl of sh*t in front of you and tells you to eat it, doesn't mean that you should. And if you have had the misfortune to eat a bowl of sh*t it doesn't mean that you should get used to it and continue to request more. Who, when given the opportunity to eat what is good would rather eat sh*t?

Drug culture exists yes, but the havoc and the damage that it creates in the lives of the sellers, the users and the innocent bystanders is unforgiveable anywhere in Central Brooklyn or beyond. You don't have to be a punk to see that or to admit it.

fivefifths wrote: UGH I grew up with this all my life. Ain't nothing new to me. You just keep you and yours safe and thats all. Trying to make some big crusade will get you nowhere. We have been trying for decades. Doesn't work. Just keep you and yours safe and avoid it and go on with your life. Thats all. Funny how things we have had to live with forever are so new and shocking to you. You think because of your complexion and superiority you can demand to stop it or change it.

You are making an assumption that isn't always the case. I've found that many, actually _most_ of the people organizing to make a change are in fact people who have been here for quite some time, and are typically black.

Unless by "complexion and superiority" you meant black people, in which case, yeah, you are correct.

Most of the people that bitch on internet boards seem to be whiter newcomers (but not all,) most of the people organizing into community groups and making change seem to be blacker old timers (but not all.) *shrug*

fivefifths wrote: You can't. Just accept where you are and if you want a squeaky clean policed zone go the other side to brooklyn heights or wherever. This has been going on far too long for you to stop it.

Not true. Go check the crime stats, they are all online. You'll find that crime in the area first increased, and for quite some time has been on a big decline. Things change. It is their nature.

fivefifths wrote: You can't save the whole world. You can't even save your block. Also, your utopian vision may not fit the vision of the rest of your block. You will not make any friends snitching neither. You do want to keep you and yours safe right? Just some words of friendly advice. If it ain't your business, don't try and make it your business. You will have a good life in Brooklyn that way.

In all honesty, I mostly live by this. But I certainly won't slag anyone trying to make a difference, and will support them in any way I can. I've seen a lot of great things and met a lot of great people who are making changes here, especially in the youth.

fivefifths wrote: If it ain't your business, don't try and make it your business. You will have a good life in Brooklyn that way.

....You know, I'll gladly yield to your expertise on Colombia, but I don't think an authority actually exists on "how to have a good life in Brooklyn."