LOST: One Presumptive Candidate's Spine!
Subject: LOST: One Presumptive Candidate's Spine!
I declare my independence from Mr Obama until such time as he locates his spine. WTF!July 4, 2008
Editorial/New York Times
New and Not Improved
Senator Barack Obama stirred his legions of supporters, and raised our hopes, promising to change the old order of things. He spoke with passion about breaking out of the partisan mold of bickering and catering to special pleaders, promised to end President Bush’s abuses of power and subverting of the Constitution and disowned the big-money power brokers who have corrupted Washington politics.
Now there seems to be a new Barack Obama on the hustings. First, he broke his promise to try to keep both major parties within public-financing limits for the general election. His team explained that, saying he had a grass-roots-based model and that while he was forgoing public money, he also was eschewing gold-plated fund-raisers. These days he’s on a high-roller hunt.
Even his own chief money collector, Penny Pritzker, suggests that the magic of $20 donations from the Web was less a matter of principle than of scheduling. “We have not been able to have much of the senator’s time during the primaries, so we have had to rely more on the Internet,” she explained as she and her team busily scheduled more than a dozen big-ticket events over the next few weeks at which the target price for quality time with the candidate is more than $30,000 per person.
The new Barack Obama has abandoned his vow to filibuster an electronic wiretapping bill if it includes an immunity clause for telecommunications companies that amounts to a sanctioned cover-up of Mr. Bush’s unlawful eavesdropping after 9/11.
In January, when he was battling for Super Tuesday votes, Mr. Obama said that the 1978 law requiring warrants for wiretapping, and the special court it created, worked. “We can trace, track down and take out terrorists while ensuring that our actions are subject to vigorous oversight and do not undermine the very laws and freedom that we are fighting to defend,” he declared.
Now, he supports the immunity clause as part of what he calls a compromise but actually is a classic, cynical Washington deal that erodes the power of the special court, virtually eliminates “vigorous oversight” and allows more warrantless eavesdropping than ever.
The Barack Obama of the primary season used to brag that he would stand before interest groups and tell them tough truths. The new Mr. Obama tells evangelical Christians that he wants to expand President Bush’s policy of funneling public money for social spending to religious-based organizations — a policy that violates the separation of church and state and turns a government function into a charitable donation.
He says he would not allow those groups to discriminate in employment, as Mr. Bush did, which is nice. But the Constitution exists to protect democracy, no matter who is president and how good his intentions may be.
On top of these perplexing shifts in position, we find ourselves disagreeing powerfully with Mr. Obama on two other issues: the death penalty and gun control.
Mr. Obama endorsed the Supreme Court’s decision to overturn the District of Columbia’s gun-control law. We knew he ascribed to the anti-gun-control groups’ misreading of the Constitution as implying an individual right to bear arms. But it was distressing to see him declare that the court provided a guide to “reasonable regulations enacted by local communities to keep their streets safe.”
What could be more reasonable than a city restricting handguns, or requiring that firearms be stored in ways that do not present a mortal threat to children?
We were equally distressed by Mr. Obama’s criticism of the Supreme Court’s barring the death penalty for crimes that do not involve murder.
We are not shocked when a candidate moves to the center for the general election. But Mr. Obama’s shifts are striking because he was the candidate who proposed to change the face of politics, the man of passionate convictions who did not play old political games.
There are still vital differences between Mr. Obama and Senator John McCain on issues like the war in Iraq, taxes, health care and Supreme Court nominations. We don’t want any “redefining” on these big questions. This country needs change it can believe in.
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Subject: Re: LOST: One Presumptive Candidate's Spine!
Wait, how is he spineless? Because of the public funding and FISA?
Seems like a bit of an overreaction to me.NYTimes wrote: There are still vital differences between Mr. Obama and Senator John McCain on issues like the war in Iraq, taxes, health care and Supreme Court nominations. We don’t want any “redefining” on these big questions. This country needs change it can believe in.
and the environment, and foreign policy, and the Glorious War On Terror, and starting a third war, this one with Iran, and a host of other issues.
in other words, Obama's gone centrist on gun control, capital punishment and FISA.
While I strongly disagree with him on all three issues, I'm not sure these are grounds to jump ship and call spinelessness.We are not shocked when a candidate moves to the center for the general election. But Mr. Obama’s shifts are striking because he was the candidate who proposed to change the face of politics, the man of passionate convictions who did not play old political games.
Really NYTs? B/c it sure seems like this entire editorial reeks of being 'shocked'.
Anyone who thought Obama was going to usher in some magical era of post-partisanship and new politics, well, wake up. He's a great candidate. But he's not political Jesus, and the media should stop holding him to that standard.
We all know GWB tried to run on a unity platform and look how that turned out. Maybe the media should give up this little game of grandiose dream commentary and deal with more real world issues, like what Obama and McCain are going to do about Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, taxes, health care, jobs, and a million issues that actually effect Americans in their every day life. -
I want to take this opportunity to speak directly to those of you who oppose my decision to support the FISA compromise.
This was not an easy call for me. I know that the FISA bill that passed the House is far from perfect. I wouldn't have drafted the legislation like this, and it does not resolve all of the concerns that we have about President Bush's abuse of executive power. It grants retroactive immunity to telecommunications companies that may have violated the law by cooperating with the Bush Administration's program of warrantless wiretapping. This potentially weakens the deterrent effect of the law and removes an important tool for the American people to demand accountability for past abuses. That's why I support striking Title II from the bill, and will work with Chris Dodd, Jeff Bingaman and others in an effort to remove this provision in the Senate.
But I also believe that the compromise bill is far better than the Protect America Act that I voted against last year. The exclusivity provision makes it clear to any President or telecommunications company that no law supersedes the authority of the FISA court. In a dangerous world, government must have the authority to collect the intelligence we need to protect the American people. But in a free society, that authority cannot be unlimited. As I've said many times, an independent monitor must watch the watchers to prevent abuses and to protect the civil liberties of the American people. This compromise law assures that the FISA court has that responsibility
The Inspectors General report also provides a real mechanism for accountability and should not be discounted. It will allow a close look at past misconduct without hurdles that would exist in federal court because of classification issues. The (PDF)recent investigation uncovering the illegal politicization of Justice Department hiring sets a strong example of the accountability that can come from a tough and thorough IG report.
The ability to monitor and track individuals who want to attack the United States is a vital counter-terrorism tool, and I'm persuaded that it is necessary to keep the American people safe -- particularly since certain electronic surveillance orders will begin to expire later this summer. Given the choice between voting for an improved yet imperfect bill, and losing important surveillance tools, I've chosen to support the current compromise. I do so with the firm intention -- once I’m sworn in as President -- to have my Attorney General conduct a comprehensive review of all our surveillance programs, and to make further recommendations on any steps needed to preserve civil liberties and to prevent executive branch abuse in the future.
Now, I understand why some of you feel differently about the current bill, and I'm happy to take my lumps on this side and elsewhere. For the truth is that your organizing, your activism and your passion is an important reason why this bill is better than previous versions. No tool has been more important in focusing peoples' attention on the abuses of executive power in this Administration than the active and sustained engagement of American citizens. That holds true -- not just on wiretapping, but on a range of issues where Washington has let the American people down.
I learned long ago, when working as an organizer on the South Side of Chicago, that when citizens join their voices together, they can hold their leaders accountable. I'm not exempt from that. I'm certainly not perfect, and expect to be held accountable too. I cannot promise to agree with you on every issue. But I do promise to listen to your concerns, take them seriously, and seek to earn your ongoing support to change the country. That is why we have built the largest grassroots campaign in the history of presidential politics, and that is the kind of White House that I intend to run as President of the United States -- a White House that takes the Constitution seriously, conducts the peoples' business out in the open, welcomes and listens to dissenting views, and asks you to play your part in shaping our country’s destiny.
Democracy cannot exist without strong differences. And going forward, some of you may decide that my FISA position is a deal breaker. That's ok. But I think it is worth pointing out that our agreement on the vast majority of issues that matter outweighs the differences we may have. After all, the choice in this election could not be clearer. Whether it is the economy, foreign policy, or the Supreme Court, my opponent has embraced the failed course of the last eight years, while I want to take this country in a new direction. Make no mistake: if John McCain is elected, the fundamental direction of this country that we love will not change. But if we come together, we have an historic opportunity to chart a new course, a better course.
So I appreciate the feedback through my.barackobama.com, and I look forward to continuing the conversation in the months and years to come. Together, we have a lot of work to do. -
Two things are very unfortunate about Obama's response here:
1) he refers to the new bill as a "compromise" when in fact the Democrats have gotten nothing, and the Republicans and telecoms got almost everything they were looking for. That's not a 'compromise'.
2) His rationalization seems to be, 'this bill is better than the extra-terrible one from last year.' That's not good enough, Senator.
As I said (and he repeated) FISA isn't a dealbreaker to me or most Democrats, but it sure is concerning. -
I'll back those Dems who still believe in the Constitution.
If anyone wants to voice concern and act go to the "Senator Obama - Please, No Telecom Immunity and Get FISA Right " page on Facebook,
or the same titled page on Obama's web site...
http://my.barackobama.com/page/group/SenatorObama-PleaseVoteAgainstFISA
or http://www.democrats.com/ -
I joined the group on my.BarakObama.com
I love that it's the biggest group on his site. -
Daily kos gives a comprehensive and scary run down of all the ways the government is breaking laws and invading our privacy.
My favorite:
We learned that the "administration" says it can read your mail without a warrant -
Yeah, it's pretty cool that you can use all the the networking tools his site provides to protest his actions!
If you want to read a great, albeit cynical and achingly funny book - read Matt Taibbi's "The Great Derangement." It will turn you off government and politics for sure ;-) -
Taibbi is a very interesting guy. I've read his articles but not his books.
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Just to keep things in perspective, a NYT editorial:

July 3, 2008
Editorial
A Supreme Court on the Brink
In some ways, the Supreme Court term that just ended seems muddled: disturbing, highly conservative rulings on subjects like voting rights and gun control, along with important defenses of basic liberties in other areas, including the rights of detainees at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba. The key to understanding the term lies in the fragility of the court’s center. Some of the most important decisions came on 5-to-4 votes — a stark reminder that the court is just one justice away from solidifying a far-right majority that would do great damage to the Constitution and the rights of ordinary Americans.
The Supreme Court abandoned its special role in protecting voting rights when it rejected a challenge to Indiana’s harshly anti-democratic voter ID law. Critics warned that the law, which bars anyone without a government-issued photo ID from voting, would disenfranchise poor people, minorities and the elderly, all of whom disproportionately lack drivers’ licenses. The critics were right. In the Indiana presidential primary, shortly after the ruling, about 12 nuns in their 80s and 90s were turned away at the polls for not having acceptable ID.
In another sharp break with its traditions, the court struck down parts of the District of Columbia’s gun-control law. After seven decades of holding that the Second Amendment’s right to bear arms is tied to raising a militia, the court reversed itself and ruled that it confers on individuals the right to keep guns in their homes for personal use. The decision will no doubt add significantly to the number of Americans killed by gun violence.
Corporations fared especially well in this term. The court reduced the punitive-damages award against Exxon Mobil for the 1989 Exxon Valdez oil spill from $2.5 billion to about $500 million, a pittance for the energy company. In the process, the court declared that in maritime cases, punitive damages should not exceed the actual damages in a case. It is a rule that foils the purposes of punitive damages: to punish and to deter bad conduct.
In the term’s most cold-hearted decision, the court endorsed Kentucky’s use of lethal injection to execute prisoners. Despite evidence that the procedure that Kentucky uses can cause excruciating pain, the court ruled that it does not violate the Eighth Amendment prohibition on cruel-and-unusual punishment. It was a squandered chance to set rules requiring that executions be carried out as humanely as possible.
There was some undeniable good news. The court came through with a critically important decision in favor of the detainees being held in Guantánamo Bay. It ruled that they have habeas corpus rights: the right to challenge their confinement before a federal judge. The decision was the court’s third rebuke to the Bush administration on Guantánamo and a major win for the Constitution and the rule of law.
In a second capital punishment case, the court ruled that the death penalty cannot be imposed for the rape of a child. Horrific as that crime is, the court wisely drew a clear line and said that capital punishment can only be imposed for crimes in which the victim’s life was taken.
The court also issued several welcome rulings in favor of workers, including employees who charged that they were retaliated against for accusing their employers of discrimination. It was a reversal from last year, when the court issued a much-criticized ruling against a woman who was discriminated against in pay, baselessly deciding that she had filed her complaint too late.
In placing these rulings in the larger context of the court after two appointments by President Bush — Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Samuel Alito, both dedicated members of the conservative movement — it is important to note that the Guantánamo decision was 5 to 4. Anthony Kennedy, the court’s swing justice, cast the deciding vote. In other cases, like the gun-control decision, the rulings might have been more sweeping and more damaging if the conservative bloc had not needed the moderate-conservative Justice Kennedy’s vote to form a majority. One more conservative appointment would shift the balance to the far-right bloc.
If that happens, the court can be expected to push even further in a dangerous direction. It would most likely begin stripping away civil liberties, like the habeas rights vindicated in the Guantánamo case. The constitutional protection of women’s reproductive rights could be eliminated. The court might well strike down laws that protect the environment, workers’ rights and the rights of racial and religious minorities.
The court was teetering on the brink in this term. Voters should keep that firmly in mind when they go to the polls in November. -
hey, I still plan to vote dem just to protect to my supreme court. however. it pisses me the fuck off that obama supporters (and mccain) trashed clinton left and right for "flip flopping" on "issues" like THE FUCKING WAR, and now obama is supporting shit that is raping the constitution (sorry, I don't know about you guys, but FISA is horrifying and terrible and I refuse to agree with any support for ANYTHING regarding it) ... still.
in any case. I agree. obama needs his spine. stop trying to be a centrist. just. stop. it's boring and it makes it seem like you're caving on everything. unless you're holding AA or KA you should fucking stop playing these lame ass games with your five-deuce off. stop gambing with my fucking constitution. -
n a "Special Comment" on Countdown WIth Keith Olbermann tonight, the MSNBC host told his audience that Barack Obama has been presented with a second chance to make a first impression in an upcoming vote on the FISA bill:
And he damned well better take it. The Senate vote on this tortured and reckless piece of legislation has now been postponed until after the 4th of July break. The Democrats, completing their FISA experience, a collective impression of Homer Simpson falling off a cliff and hitting every bramble on the way down, didn't exactly plan this fortuitous delay.
video is here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/30/olbermann-special-comment_n_110114.html -
fantastic video. thanks.
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in fact, best clip evar.
as a side note, my mac is acting weird. I have two computers and my mac is the one that turns on. anyone want to take a look? I hit the up button and it flips between firefox tabs!!!!
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