I'm so pissed I'm glad I don't own a gun!
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bogframe wrote: Berating/beating, insulting her would have been proving her opinion right.
I wholeheartedly disagree. It would definitely NOT have proved the asshole right that his wife should "go back to her own neighborhood."
This from the guy who used the word "oriental" when describing someone from the Asian persuassion.... :roll: -
bogframe wrote: Take pride in the fact that your wife showed so much more breeding than that woman. Berating/beating, insulting her would have been proving her opinion right.
No it wouldn't make her opinion right. What the hell do you mean by that? It would have made both of them wrong. -
Take it easy, folks!! Had LtT's wife been less classy in her response, it would in fact have confirmed the entitled idiot's ("EI") low opinion of her. That's all Bogframe meant (if I may speak for him).
As it is, LtT's wife was the class act, and the EI was the pond scum she assumed LtT's wife to be. -
Yeah, I'm quite the pacifist, but when people go way out of their way to start shit with others -- especially when it's racially-motivated -- I'm not so sure a proper beatdown would bother me much.
I was born and grew up 27 of my 28 years in the same all-white neighborhood in Queens. There's some decent people there for sure, but for the most part, it's full of racists who make no attempt to hide it. Some of you may even remember what passes for "humor" in a Labor Day parade float there, which included a police officer (!!!!) and 2 firemen (!!!!): http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C06E3D9113BF933A25753C1A96E958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all
Anyway, I was so glad to finally get out of there, and move somewhere where people are, generally, much more open-minded and tolerant of others. I know this sort of stuff the OP wrote about happens everywhere, but reading about it just really pisses me off and depresses me. -
booklaw wrote: Take it easy, folks!! Had LtT's wife been less classy in her response, it would in fact have confirmed the entitled idiot's ("EI") low opinion of her. That's all Bogframe meant (if I may speak for him).
Yea, we know what he said (and what you're saying) but that's crap, sorry.
As it is, LtT's wife was the class act, and the EI was the pond scum she assumed LtT's wife to be.
"Go back to your own neighborhood."
"no, a-hole, I live here. Get the f*ck away from my dog and don't you dare say some sh*t to me like that again, dumb b*tch!"
So, you're telling me that if she stood up for herself that the racist bitch would be justified!?!?! Are you freaking tripping?!??!! -
No. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying she could have stood up for herself, quietly and calmly. She could have put down the EI without swearing at her.
You or I can use (and I probably would have used) the nasty cuss words you suggest without reinforcing the EI's racist stereotypes.
If a black lady uses that language, she merely seems to confirm what the EI thought in the first place... that she is a lower class person who doesn't belong in the slope.
It would be a more effective putdown to make the EI realize that she is lower class than the person she accosted. -
I don't think anyone is saying that the EI would have been justified at all if LtT's wife had "gone off" on her, but she would have THOUGHT she was justified for thinking the way she did... in her twisted world...
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booklaw wrote:
First off, that woman had NO justification for even intitally saying that to her, confirming NOTHING if she did fight back. No, not going for your argument.
If a black lady uses that language, she merely seems to confirm what the EI thought in the first place... that she is a lower class person who doesn't belong in the slope.
I call bullshit on booklaw. -
I call bullshit back... your reaction is pure emotion, without logic.
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No, my friend, this may be emotional, but it is logical as well, kthanks.
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I find it interesting that for the most part people's reaction is that they would have gone after the offender in some way. There's a thread over on the PH forum where a gay man was verbally bashed by some idiot suggesting he should not be in that neighborhood. In reaction he said something back. He said he thought maybe that wasn't the wisest reaction, but he did it impulsively. Most of the comments to that thread suggested while he was morally in the right the best choice would have been to ignore the offenders and just keep walking. Comments even ran along the lines of shut up or you will get yourself shot cause this is Brooklyn and that's what happens here.
I'm paraphrasing and I'm sure someone will decide that's not enough and want to list the specifics, but they are not my point. My point is that it is interesting that when bigotry is displayed in Park Slope it elicits shock and outrage. When it happened a block and a half across Flatbush it elicited outrage, but no shock and saddest of all, advice that people just have to essentially suck it up. -
the racism expressed on the street was distressing.. the misogyny on this chain is horrifying.
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booklaw wrote: No. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying she could have stood up for herself, quietly and calmly. She could have put down the EI without swearing at her.
So, If she did get mad, then the racist stereotypes are ok? I agree that reacting would be wrong but if she did get mad, why the fuck should she care what some cracker thinks of her?
You or I can use (and I probably would have used) the nasty cuss words you suggest without reinforcing the EI's racist stereotypes.
If a black lady uses that language, she merely seems to confirm what the EI thought in the first place... that she is a lower class person who doesn't belong in the slope.
It would be a more effective putdown to make the EI realize that she is lower class than the person she accosted. -
tajmb wrote: I find it interesting that for the most part people's reaction is that they would have gone after the offender in some way. There's a thread over on the PH forum where a gay man was verbally bashed by some idiot suggesting he should not be in that neighborhood. In reaction he said something back. He said he thought maybe that wasn't the wisest reaction, but he did it impulsively. Most of the comments to that thread suggested while he was morally in the right the best choice would have been to ignore the offenders and just keep walking. Comments even ran along the lines of shut up or you will get yourself shot cause this is Brooklyn and that's what happens here.
You are misunderstanding. While most of us would love to go after the offender and may indeed by fantasizing about different ways in which she could have reacted, few of us would actually do it because it would be not only wrong, but foolish.
I'm paraphrasing and I'm sure someone will decide that's not enough and want to list the specifics, but they are not my point. My point is that it is interesting that when bigotry is displayed in Park Slope it elicits shock and outrage. When it happened a block and a half across Flatbush it elicited outrage, but no shock and saddest of all, advice that people just have to essentially suck it up. -
No. The racist stereotypes are not ok, regardless of circumstance.
Bringing yourself down to the level of a racist cracker may make you feel better momentarily, but after a while you'll be embarrassed and sad that you did not uphold your own standards.
If you take the high road, it's just possible (albeit unlikely) that the cracker may realize how stupid she was. -
Racism bad, violence ok.
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Mamacita wrote: Does anyone else think this story is very odd.
Gee, no racism there. And um, there are racists in Park Slope. How ignorant can one be to think there aren't.
Ltt, is a regular poster and i completely believe him.
However, as I was reading this story I thought for sure his wife was white and these were black punks. -
booklaw wrote:
Why should she care? Why is it up to a Black woman to educate a cracker?
the cracker may realize how stupid she was. -
It's not the Black woman's responsibility to educate a cracker. It is her responsibility (and all of our responsibility) to live up to her own standards of conduct.
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apathy is the problem not the solution.
That's is why when my girlfriend hits me, I'm like, NO! UH UH, maybe your last boyfriend use to let you beat him down cuz he's a little bitch, but I ain't him Yah heard, don't be poppin' them fists all up in my face just because you busted yo ass cuz I left the...
MATTER OF FACT!, I'm feeling so empowered, I'm going to tell her tomorrow, the damn toilet seat stays up from now on. -
I use the insult "cunt" very rarely, only when I believe it's truly warranted.
If you believe that this is an instance when it is "truly warranted," I have a hard time believing that you use that word only "very rarely." -
tajmb wrote: I find it interesting that for the most part people's reaction is that they would have gone after the offender in some way. There's a thread over on the PH forum where a gay man was verbally bashed by some idiot suggesting he should not be in that neighborhood. In reaction he said something back. He said he thought maybe that wasn't the wisest reaction, but he did it impulsively. Most of the comments to that thread suggested while he was morally in the right the best choice would have been to ignore the offenders and just keep walking. Comments even ran along the lines of shut up or you will get yourself shot cause this is Brooklyn and that's what happens here.
I think that the difference in the responses is not about someone having a racial encouter or a homophopic encounter but in how the encounter initiated. Correct me I'm wrong but this woman was basically confronted by someone while the poster in the other thread actually began the confrontation. Meaning he overheard someone make a comment and responded to it not knowing if the comment was directed at him. These situations are so hard because depending on your mood that day different reactions can occur. Not saying one is right and one is wrong but some people are non-confrontational and some are confrontational. To be honest, I really don't know how I would have responded if something like this happened too me and I really don't know the correct response. Neither incident is particularly surprising but they are distressing.
I'm paraphrasing and I'm sure someone will decide that's not enough and want to list the specifics, but they are not my point. My point is that it is interesting that when bigotry is displayed in Park Slope it elicits shock and outrage. When it happened a block and a half across Flatbush it elicited outrage, but no shock and saddest of all, advice that people just have to essentially suck it up. -
I find this whole thread like a drummers circle for white people trying to desperately prove how open minded and unracist they are. Everybody does a little solo, with a little personal touch, the next person tries to one up the last. Isn't this a bit of a no brainer? I believe the story but find it odd, 3 people walking in lock step refuse to move. I'm thinking drugs, drink or maybe some retardation in all three. Its not an excuse, but to go from this peculiar incident to hand wringing and bleating about the state of race relations is a stretch.
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EasilyFound wrote:
Really? Let's recap, shall we? A white woman blocked the sidewalk, not allowing a black woman walking her dog to pass and when she tried to pass the white woman stepped on her dog's paw. When the black woman confronted her about her rude behavior the white woman told her to "go back to her own neighborhood".I use the insult "cunt" very rarely, only when I believe it's truly warranted.
If you believe that this is an instance when it is "truly warranted," I have a hard time believing that you use that word only "very rarely."
I think that was a pretty cunty thing to do. It's not like she bumped into her and didn't say excuse me. Now I wouldn't have called her a cunt for doing that. But hey, you appear to know me better than I do! :roll: -
This is like that oral gay-bashing thread in the PH forum: another example that the "new" Brooklyn is softer than a bag of donuts.
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modsquad wrote: I find this whole thread like a drummers circle for white people trying to desperately prove how open minded and unracist they are. Everybody does a little solo, with a little personal touch, the next person tries to one up the last. Isn't this a bit of a no brainer? I believe the story but find it odd, 3 people walking in lock step refuse to move. I'm thinking drugs, drink or maybe some retardation in all three. Its not an excuse, but to go from this peculiar incident to hand wringing and bleating about the state of race relations is a stretch.
So, you know for a fact that everyone on this thread is white? -
booklaw wrote: It's not the Black woman's responsibility to educate a cracker. It is her responsibility (and all of our responsibility) to live up to her own standards of conduct.
So, I'm still not getting the point.
If this woman's standards of conduct were lower, would the cracker still be wrong or would it make what the cracker said ok? -
modsquad wrote: but find it odd, 3 people walking in lock step refuse to move.
You need to spend more time on 7th & 8th Ave and on streets leading to the Park to see this common phenomena repeated over, and over, and over again.
And this just in, evidently my wife had the last word. After our neighbor admonished the offending/offensive person and told her to move from the neighborhood because of her views - my wife said "Yes, and return to your trailer park."
Paul Auster, famed PS writer, once wrote on the liner notes for a movie soundtrack, that PS was the most democratic place on the face of the earth." My experience after 13 years here is that the statement is as much hyperbole as any other blanket statement about PS being an open and accepting community. We are but a microcosm of the larger society in which we live, and hence, exhibit all the petty behaviors and prejudices of that society. -
Paul Auster sucks.
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