Gentrification of Prospect Heights
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Subject: Re: if anyone out there reading is thinking...
lnclnplcgentrifier wrote: ..."hmm, what small investment might get me a big return?" WE DESPERATELY NEED A COFFEE PLACE ON WASHINGTON UP CLOSE TO THE MUSEUM. really. dozens of caffeine deprived young hipsters trudging up the hill to the 2/3/4/5 need a place to fuel up.
oh my god... this is exactly why i moved to right offa washington ave... to get away from this sort of crap. coffee-snob hipsters and mommy groups.... no thanks. really. bodega coffee is just fine if im hurting that bad for caffeine. or sparks, which is more fitting for some areas of washington, heh...
and if it could be modeled on the tea lounge, then all of us parents of younguns wouldn't have to haul it over to the slope for our mommy groups. -
Subject: Re: if anyone out there reading is thinking...
rhodamine wrote: [quote=lnclnplcgentrifier]..."hmm, what small investment might get me a big return?" WE DESPERATELY NEED A COFFEE PLACE ON WASHINGTON UP CLOSE TO THE MUSEUM. really. dozens of caffeine deprived young hipsters trudging up the hill to the 2/3/4/5 need a place to fuel up.
oh my god... this is exactly why i moved to right offa washington ave... to get away from this sort of crap. coffee-snob hipsters and mommy groups.... no thanks. really. bodega coffee is just fine if im hurting that bad for caffeine. or sparks, which is more fitting for some areas of washington, heh...
and if it could be modeled on the tea lounge, then all of us parents of younguns wouldn't have to haul it over to the slope for our mommy groups.
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Subject: Re: if anyone out there reading is thinking...
Kate wrote: Agree 100%
yep. im not sure we need to recreate park slope in proho, especialyl when park slope is already so close. -
there's a small space on the tom's side, on the block between st john's and lincoln, walking uphill, formerly occupied by a well-meaning, very nice arab-speaking man selling candy and papers. near one of marjorie's locales. if you get that space, or one on that block (between lincoln & st. john's, where you'll get all the museum/gardens traffic before they see shane's & tom's), you'll be set. my bldg alone would keep you in business, i'm sure.
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hell, just put a vendor in a truck on the corner of EPkwy and Wash to catch the subway traffic - they'd make out like a bandit...maybe when we renovate the median we can put a permanent stand in place...
speaking of this, when are they going to open the new vendor window in the subway station? -
sterling2000 wrote: From what I could quickly find, the Botanic Garden gets about 650,000 visitors annually (17,000 members) and the Museum gets around 400,000 visitors (I couldn't find membership data). That's over a million people per year who come to these neighborhood anchors.
I worked at the Museum for several years and still live in PH. I agree that many museum visitors leave PH immediately after the museum, but I think the Museum staff is working to change that. It would be interesting to see if the discount that Shanes sometimes offers for Museum attendees has had any effect. I do know that the Museum thinks that First Saturdays provides a large crowd for PH establishments.
Unfortunately, I think most of them get right back on the bus, in their car or on the subway and head back home without talking a walk down Washington or elsewhere. The same goes for the weekend crowds at Tom's, although I see a lot of locals there. I've lived in Brooklyn for 10 years and have been a member of the Museum and Garden for most of that time. However, when I lived in Fort Greene and then Park Slope, I too never ventured far afield from these institutions (as well as Tom's), but headed straight home after enjoying what I saw, experienced or ate.
And I also agree that the actually quality of storefront space on Washington is less than other areas. The spaces seem small and cramped and dark. The new store "Cuppa Tea" health food (Washington between Bergen and Dean) seems to only have room for a few shelves of vitamins and cases for drinks!
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Agreed that Cafe Shane has done a good job trying to lure Museum traffic with flyers, special offers, etc...I hope to see more of the same!
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Subject: Re: Professional Apartment Painting
bewitched wrote: [quote=Wall to Wall Painting]Call Wall to Wall Painting to paint your apartment before the holidays.
This has nothing to do with this thread, at least post in the right forum. Take thee to THE CLASSIFIEDS.
Mr. Wall - how would you like it if we wrote your phone number on a public bathroom wall with some sort of enticement to call you - one having nothing to do with painting of course. -
I think Vanderbilt will become the next 7th Avenue, not 5th. More stores and resuarants will surely open once all these new condos get built.
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Did you know that an 842 sq ft in that 4 unit building @ st marks btwn flatbush and carlton is going for $636k?????
who the hell can afford to buy around here? i need an inheritance or trust fund... which wont happen. -
dan.h wrote: Did you know that an 842 sq ft in that 4 unit building @ st marks btwn flatbush and carlton is going for $636k?????
Nah, man, just get a big mortage and hope those rumors of a crash are just crazy talk...or win mega millions.
who the hell can afford to buy around here? i need an inheritance or trust fund... which wont happen.
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dan.h wrote: Did you know that an 842 sq ft in that 4 unit building @ st marks btwn flatbush and carlton is going for $636k?????
I know someone that can help you obtain financing... :twisted:
who the hell can afford to buy around here? i need an inheritance or trust fund... which wont happen. -
Subject: yes
the next neighborhood to get it is prospect heights....actually it already happened. its a shame -
nybt wrote: [quote=dan.h]Did you know that an 842 sq ft in that 4 unit building @ st marks btwn flatbush and carlton is going for $636k?????
I know someone that can help you obtain financing... :twisted:
who the hell can afford to buy around here? i need an inheritance or trust fund... which wont happen.
VERY FUNNY. I'd want a neg am for something like this! Its one thing to get a big mtg on a rental, but for a frieking condo?? The mtg tax alone would be around 17k! -
dan.h wrote: [quote=nybt][quote=dan.h]Did you know that an 842 sq ft in that 4 unit building @ st marks btwn flatbush and carlton is going for $636k?????
I know someone that can help you obtain financing... :twisted:
who the hell can afford to buy around here? i need an inheritance or trust fund... which wont happen.
VERY FUNNY. I'd want a neg am for something like this! Its one thing to get a big mtg on a rental, but for a frieking condo?? The mtg tax alone would be around 17k!
and if it's new construction, you usually get stuck with 1.4% transfer as well... -
Heh heh, we're running out of space over here in Park Slope and sending a whole brigade of screaming stroller mom refugees over to PH.
That'll teach you to wish for more gentrification.
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querty wrote: Heh heh, we're running out of space over here in Park Slope and sending a whole brigade of screaming stroller mom refugees over to PH.
Not to worry, querty. We Pro-Ho-Ers (Pro-Ho-Ites? Pro-Prospect-Heighters? Residents of Prospect Heights? ... anyway ...) ... are a hearty bunch. We can handle it. We don't flinch in the face of adversity. We are survivors. Yeah.
That'll teach you to wish for more gentrification.
Ha!
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I'm not at all concerned about gentrification on Washington. so many businesses already on Washington are really close to folding (Ripple, Shane). Washington isn't going to become a pain-in-the-ass for years.
my first four years in NYC were in Harlem. when I moved there people couldn't stop talking about how gentrified it was getting, how many fancy restaurants and nice bars were opening up. yeah fuckin' right. by the time I left, there were maybe 4 nice(ish) restaurants that stayed open past 9 p.m. and maybe 2 bars that I felt comfortable setting foot in alone. sure there was a nice MAC store, an H&M and a TJMaxx -- talk about the ghettoest shopping experiences ever. they didn't promote the idea of doing all of my shopping in the nabe at ALL.
and all of that was mostly centered on 125th street in a nabe that is gigantor compared to proho.
anyway, all of that is just to say that when people start squaking about gentrification in proho I really don't worry about it. it will take years for Washington to begin to really resemble 5th or 7th avenues, and I am on a 5 year arm so I'm out in 4. -
Wanna lock in now? 8)
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dan.h wrote: Wanna lock in now? 8)
hahaha! no, it's ok. I think I'm actually at about as low as I can get, and I'm not sure I can afford another round of closing costs and associated b.s.
besides, I do think that the nabe will become unbearable in the next 4 years. or maybe I'm just forseeing my own desire to leave NYC asap. -
Subject: Willing to invest
The first message on this string asks: "How many of you on this board are willing to invest in Prospect Heights?"
I am.
I'd venture to say that despite some mixed feelings, these threads indicate the potential -- largely untapped -- that our neighborhood offers. I know for every 20 people that say they'd invest in a business here, there may only be 1 that actually acts, actually puts the effort in and takes the risk. I can't wait to see those few people make it happen! Can't wait to be one of them.
And, I have to say it--can we please stop talking about gentrification....stop complaining about it?? Most people posting on this site wouldn't be in the neighborhood if it wasn't slightly gentrified already. No one would be talking about investing in it. I wouldn't be. I lived in the Bronx for over 4 years, near Yankee stadium. I wouldn't have bought anything there. I worked in East New York on Hegeman and Schenk--a job that included a police escort to and from work every day (which caused even more trouble). My job was to try to help the teenage foster children in a group home try to choose all the "opportunity" they were given by the city's foster care system over the drugs, prostitution, gangs, and violence that plagued most street corners. It wasn't that long ago, and I welcome you to move there if you want to be in an area free from gentrification. I would not buy there, and I have no doubt that MOST the people I see in our neighborhood would not be rushing to buy property there, rent a cheap apartment there, or open a business. What we now call "gentrification" is a good thing with a needlessly bad connotation. It creates opportunity and open-mindedness. It creates the opportunity that the foster children in East New York needed--the atmosphere they needed to see. It is possibility. If it really drives you that crazy to see progress and pride in a neighborhood, then find a neighborhood that allows your actions to match your alleged principles.
You can't have diversity in a neighborhood without all types of people.....How can a neighborhood that lacks most demographics be really diverse? Do we really think diversity is good as long as it doesn't involve living next to stay at home moms and/or dads? As long as there are no strollers on the street? As long as people don't come from too high an economic class. That sounds like someone saying "I want my neighborhood to be diverse, as long as all the people around me are just like me." Diversity is good as long as it is only a certain type of person? Diversity is having people with different values, different goals, different lifestyles all around us. Diversity is not having people who might have different skin color or heritage or ethnicity but who are all starving artists, or who all try to buck the system, or who are all political activists sharing bread. But I guess that is slightly off topic. I don't know how I got there. Except for that every thread on Daily Heights--(I don't deny reading all of them)--bashes moms and strollers and sometimes even stay at home dads. How grateful I am to be none of the above...
Throughout this thread, it is clear that people want successful businsses to come into the neighborhood or to grow in the neighborhood. It's going to bring money into the neighborhood one way or another, and that is not a bad thing.
(Wow--I guess I wanted to say something. Or I must be having a bad day.... :x I will now step off my weak soap box and get back to work. And be quiet.). -
Whatever you say, Newbie!!! :twisted:
nah I'm just kidding. Dreams are dreams. We want to create a community here... I'm not going to lie, I would like Park Slope more if I didn't hear big stroller-womer yapping to each other about what their "help" will and will not do...
I think we all want growth in a cool place to live.. but I think we also want to protect that which is most sacred - its not over the top here...
As foretold in the prophecy.
Note: This makes very little sense. -
Well said, Nikki. I feel just as you do. Not a weak soap box at all. You make an excellent case.
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Nikki wrote: You can't have diversity in a neighborhood without all types of people.....How can a neighborhood that lacks most demographics be really diverse? Do we really think diversity is good as long as it doesn't involve living next to stay at home moms and/or dads? As long as there are no strollers on the street? As long as people don't come from too high an economic class. That sounds like someone saying "I want my neighborhood to be diverse, as long as all the people around me are just like me." Diversity is good as long as it is only a certain type of person? Diversity is having people with different values, different goals, different lifestyles all around us. Diversity is not having people who might have different skin color or heritage or ethnicity but who are all starving artists, or who all try to buck the system, or who are all political activists sharing bread. But I guess that is slightly off topic. I don't know how I got there. Except for that every thread on Daily Heights--(I don't deny reading all of them)--bashes moms and strollers and sometimes even stay at home dads. How grateful I am to be none of the above...
Prospect Heights is already more economically and racially diverse than North Park Slope. Young families and six figure incomes are very well represented. -
tl;dr
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even in the past year I have seen more shifts in the demographic of this neighborhood than I have in the last 6 years (I could probably even narrow it down to the last 6 months).
and there are very few new services in the immediate area of my apt that were not here when i got here.
my 2 bedroom apartment cost under 50K in 1994 and right now the cost of buying property doesn't support the amount of services.
Real estate agents are, for the most part, showing this as an alternative to Park Slope or Ft Greene with the idea that
"well if you can't afford 2.7 mil for a brownstone in PS, you can get something in PH for 1.7mil but you don't get the same amenities"
i am nervous about 'gentrification' in the bad way that we have all come to think of it.
I really worry that it will sanitize the neighborhood. which i love exactly how it is.
but we definitely need SOME amenities
as evidenced by the billion posts for non-stinky grocery stores that are open past 8.
that would be divine.
i have become a master barrista in my own house so i can have good coffee in the morning. -
moufaisbad wrote:
Tell me about it. Gorilla! Come on down!
i have become a master barrista in my own house so i can have good coffee in the morning. -
i HEART Gorilla!
but sadly its too far to go from my house before i've had coffee
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moufaisbad wrote: i HEART Gorilla!
I know! We need one here in ph!
but sadly its too far to go from my house before i've had coffee
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after all that i felt like i HAD to have one
so off i DROVE to Gorilla for an iced americano
mmmmmmmm
i was half tempted to ask them (or rather BEG them) to open one in PH.
and then send them a link to all of the posts on this forum about how we need a good coffee place in the neighborhood.
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