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elevator mugging in PH? CNN says so anyways — Brooklynian

elevator mugging in PH? CNN says so anyways

bkhoosierfan
bkhoosierfan
edited November -1 in Crown Heights/Prospect Lefferts Gardens
every other article i've seen mentions Crown Heights and not PH
hmm

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/08/19/elevator.mugging/

"The video, released Monday by the New York Police Department, shows 85-year-old Lillian France accompanied by an unknown man on Thursday in the elevator of an apartment building in Brooklyn's Prospect Heights neighborhood."
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  • daver
    daver
    The NY Post article listed it as PH too, maybe that is where they picked it up.

    http://www.brooklynian.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=44890
    http://www.nypost.com/seven/08182008/news/regionalnews/granny_attack_125006.htm
  • xlizellx
    xlizellx
    it happened on Washington Ave.
  • moominpapa
    moominpapa
    It's just because they (the news organizations) don't live here, and, to be fair, Washington Ave. is the "official" border of PH and CH. Hell, most of the people on this board can't agree on where CH starts, and they DO live here!
  • arches
    arches
    xlizellx wrote: it happened on Washington Ave.
    1050 Washington....btwn Empire and Sullivan ( 6-7 blocks south of Eastern Parkway). Northern edge of PLG, I think?
  • daver
    daver
    moominpapa wrote: It's just because they (the news organizations) don't live here, and, to be fair, Washington Ave. is the "official" border of PH and CH. Hell, most of the people on this board can't agree on where CH starts, and they DO live here!
    I haven't heard of extending the PH border down to Empire before, but whatever...
  • whatchuwant
    whatchuwant
    It's so totally Crown Heights its not even funny! Anything south of Eastern Parkway. Different zip code, different precinct.

    But now we're all :sign-offtopic:
  • moominpapa
    moominpapa
    daver wrote: [quote=moominpapa]It's just because they (the news organizations) don't live here, and, to be fair, Washington Ave. is the "official" border of PH and CH. Hell, most of the people on this board can't agree on where CH starts, and they DO live here!
    I haven't heard of extending the PH border down to Empire before, but whatever...

    I'm sure somebody would be willing to debate you on it. Never seen such a contrary group in my life...

    ...you know, except on the rest of the internet.
  • arches
    arches
    Is there some place to download images of crime suspects? Alternatively, is anyone talented enough to craft a "wanted" poster in photoshop using a still image from that video clip so we could post it all over the Prospect Park subway station and around Washington/Empire, guerilla style.

    It seems like this crime should be very solvable, and it annoys me.
  • daver
    daver
    moominpapa wrote: I'm sure somebody would be willing to debate you on it.
    No they wouldn't.
    Never seen such a contrary group in my life...
    Yes you have.
    ...you know, except on the rest of the internet.
    There ya go.

    You must always remember to never use the word never. Always.
    arches wrote: Is there some place to download images of crime suspects? Alternatively, is anyone talented enough to craft a "wanted" poster in photoshop using a still image from that video clip so we could post it all over the Prospect Park subway station and around Washington/Empire, guerilla style.

    It seems like this crime should be very solvable, and it annoys me.
    Extracting a pic should be pretty easy. I'm not averse to helping paste it up with a description and whatever. *shrug*
  • bkhoosierfan
    bkhoosierfan
    i mean if you must ...call it south prospect heights
    but before you do check with all the realtors so everyone is in agrement
  • arches
    arches
    Half-answering my own question, pictures of "most wanted" suspects are available here: http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/most_wanted/most_wanted.shtml

    Doesn't help, in this case - most of the pics of of murderers.

    I tried taking a screenshot of the video and printing it out. Its too blurry to be of much value on a poster. However, image manipulation is not my strong point. To drive this point home, I actually used Excel to crop the pic.
  • vanilla
    vanilla
    bkhoosierfan wrote: i mean if you must ...call it south prospect heights
    but before you do check with all the realtors so everyone is in agrement
    no such thing as prospect heights south. sorry. no.
  • raulism
    raulism
    For me, the eastern border of Prospect Heights is Washington and the southern border is Eastern Parkway. So I was shocked to see an old neighborhood map of Brooklyn in the Brooklyn Central library that did put the border several blocks south of Eastern Parkway. Has anyone else seen this?!? It makes sense, if you think that the neighborhood is named after Mount Prospect.
  • bkchickie
    bkchickie
    arches wrote: [quote=xlizellx]it happened on Washington Ave.
    1050 Washington....btwn Empire and Sullivan ( 6-7 blocks south of Eastern Parkway). Northern edge of PLG, I think?

    Ah, explains it. I was wondering where on Washington in PH one would find a tall building needing so many elevators.

    This crime is definitely scary. Would make me think twice about getting into an elevator with another person.
  • roux42
    roux42
    it's time we stop,
    hey what's that sound
    everybody look what's goin down

    Par-a-noiastrikes deep
    into your life it will creep
    it starts when your always afraid
    step out of line the man come and take you away

    we better stop
    hey what's that sound
    everybody look what's going down

    It was a bad thing that happened... Does it really matter what square inch of Brooklyn the crime happened in?
  • carnivore
    carnivore
    bkhoosierfan wrote: i mean if you must ...call it south prospect heights
    but before you do check with all the realtors so everyone is in agrement
    No.
    That's not what that neighborhood is called.

    And the realtors are the last people anyone should ask about what neighborhood a place is since they notoriously and systematically lie about these things.
  • carnivore
    carnivore
    raulism wrote: For me, the eastern border of Prospect Heights is Washington and the southern border is Eastern Parkway. So I was shocked to see an old neighborhood map of Brooklyn in the Brooklyn Central library that did put the border several blocks south of Eastern Parkway. Has anyone else seen this?!? It makes sense, if you think that the neighborhood is named after Mount Prospect.
    Where in the library is this map? Can someone post a digital photo if you have one?
  • jeffrey
    jeffrey
    arches wrote: [quote=xlizellx]it happened on Washington Ave.
    1050 Washington....btwn Empire and Sullivan ( 6-7 blocks south of Eastern Parkway). Northern edge of PLG, I think?

    arches,

    There's nothing more than a gas station and another 1 or 2 story bldg (and the FDNY communications bldg and antennae tower) in the vicinity of 1050 Washington which is just above the southern border of Crown Heights (the northern side of Empire Blvd).

    This attack happened another block north of that, at 1015 Washington just North of Sullivan Place, west of the Ebbets Field Houses in Crown Heights.

    PLG doesn't start until you cross over to the other (South) side of Empire.

    There is another name for that area of southern Crown Heights, however...will post it when I remember it.
  • arches
    arches
    Ah, I should have known better than to trust the address from the press, given their demonstrated lack of consistency. Close though...1015 sounds like 1050 if you mumble. Tks for the clarification.

    I've been meaning to check out that area...my great grandparents lived on Sterling Street back in the day (way back in the day....like 1930's) at an address that no longer exists, according to google maps.
  • daver
    daver
    arches wrote: Half-answering my own question, pictures of "most wanted" suspects are available here: http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/most_wanted/most_wanted.shtml

    Doesn't help, in this case - most of the pics of of murderers.

    I tried taking a screenshot of the video and printing it out. Its too blurry to be of much value on a poster. However, image manipulation is not my strong point. To drive this point home, I actually used Excel to crop the pic.
    FWIW, in a store on Eastern and Franklin last night was a 8x14 flyer containing info and a pic in regard to this crime. Brooklyn Crime Squad Unit or something like that was the NYPD contact.
  • jeffrey
    jeffrey
    One funny thing I noticed is that Sterling Street addresses used to be broken on Google Maps, or at least was when I last checked.

    It incorrectly pointed to another Sterling somewhere down in Canarsie or Gravesend or something (can't remember).

    Ah, looks like they fixed it!

    And wow, Google *finally* just added street view for our side of the park (and other adjacent areas).

    For the longest time all they had were street views for just Flatbush Avenue over here (despite being extremely well fleshed-out in zilions of other neighborhoods), didn't bother to do street views for any other side streets or avenues.

    Nice to see that PLG and other parts of Flatbush are finally on their map, so to speak.

    :wink:
  • bkhoosierfan
    bkhoosierfan
    vanilla wrote: [quote=bkhoosierfan]i mean if you must ...call it south prospect heights
    but before you do check with all the realtors so everyone is in agrement
    no such thing as prospect heights south. sorry. no.

    obviously i was joking hence the connection to realtors
    they jsut love to make extend areas past their boundaries to raise rent prices... East Williamsburg is a prime example
  • cool the kid
    cool the kid
    I See it as a good thing

    Bad news on our nabe = less people wanna live there = lower rent for all = ??? = more foreign chicks at local bars
  • joseph11
    joseph11
    Cool The Kid wrote: I See it as a good thing

    Bad news on our nabe = less people wanna live there = lower rent for all = ??? = more foreign chicks at local bars
    Would you saying the same thing if this was you parent, No crime is a good thing you ignorant fuck
  • daver
    daver
    joseph11 wrote: [quote=Cool The Kid]I See it as a good thing

    Bad news on our nabe = less people wanna live there = lower rent for all = ??? = more foreign chicks at local bars
    Would you saying the same thing if this was you parent, No crime is a good thing you ignorant fuck
    Jeez, watch the personal attacks there.

    But yah, elderly ladies getting brutally mugged is a Bad Thing, any way you slice it.
  • raulism
    raulism
    Carnivore wrote: [quote=raulism]For me, the eastern border of Prospect Heights is Washington and the southern border is Eastern Parkway. So I was shocked to see an old neighborhood map of Brooklyn in the Brooklyn Central library that did put the border several blocks south of Eastern Parkway. Has anyone else seen this?!? It makes sense, if you think that the neighborhood is named after Mount Prospect.
    Where in the library is this map? Can someone post a digital photo if you have one?

    I haven't been back to the library, but I did find this, which doesn't really prove much, but it's an interesting Brooklyn map from 1880:

    http://www.wardmaps.com/viewasset.php?aid=30
  • daver
    daver
    raulism wrote: [quote=Carnivore][quote=raulism]For me, the eastern border of Prospect Heights is Washington and the southern border is Eastern Parkway. So I was shocked to see an old neighborhood map of Brooklyn in the Brooklyn Central library that did put the border several blocks south of Eastern Parkway. Has anyone else seen this?!? It makes sense, if you think that the neighborhood is named after Mount Prospect.
    Where in the library is this map? Can someone post a digital photo if you have one?
    I haven't been back to the library, but I did find this, which doesn't really prove much, but it's an interesting Brooklyn map from 1880:

    http://www.wardmaps.com/viewasset.php?aid=30
    Most interesting. The ninth ward definitely encompassed Prospect Heights, and extended to FRANKLIN and far south of Eastern. Crown Heights was the 24th ward. Anyways, so there is a political point for sure. Some more info:
    Lots of old maps.
    1867 Ward boundaries.
    1893 Ward boundaries.
  • carnivore
    carnivore
    You'll notice the 9th also extends across Atlantic. Wards don't necessarily correspond to specific neighborhoods. In fact, sometimes neighborhoods are intentionally split up to dilute a group's political power.
  • daver
    daver
    Carnivore wrote: You'll notice the 9th also extends across Atlantic. Wards don't necessarily correspond to specific neighborhoods. In fact, sometimes neighborhoods are intentionally split up to dilute a group's political power.
    Yes, I agree. The old 9th doesn't extend across Atlantic though, FWIW.
  • thecameralady
    thecameralady
    jeffrey wrote: [quote=arches][quote=xlizellx]it happened on Washington Ave.
    1050 Washington....btwn Empire and Sullivan ( 6-7 blocks south of Eastern Parkway). Northern edge of PLG, I think?

    arches,

    There's nothing more than a gas station and another 1 or 2 story bldg (and the FDNY communications bldg and antennae tower) in the vicinity of 1050 Washington which is just above the southern border of Crown Heights (the northern side of Empire Blvd).

    I was just about to chime in with that clarification.
    This attack happened another block north of that, at 1015 Washington just North of Sullivan Place, west of the Ebbets Field Houses in Crown Heights.
    As someone who grew up in that apartment projects, I prefer the term Ebbets Field Apartments. The term "Ebbets Field Houses" sounds too much like the projects, which they are not.
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