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Straight Pride parade on Eastern Parkway

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  • apollonia666 wrote: More power to y'all who plan to protest. I don't know how constructive it will be -- it's not like you're going to have a persuadable audience -- and I don't want anyone from the "straight pride" parade recognizing me from the protest three weeks later alone somewhere. Be careful, y'all.
    yeah. I mean, I guess all protests are essentially futile endeavors (and I'm not saying this in jest): how many of us protested the iraq war? how many of us protested welfare "reform" (really, anti-woman tax-bennies for the rich)? for what? for why? nobody for that stuff was swayed, no one really gave a shit. I mean, MILLIONS of people protested the war in iraq around the world ... even though we all know saddam was a nasty, murderous son-of-a-stinky. we still protested because we knew it was a big pile of horseshit. and it's still happening. so ...

    I guess I don't know WHY I want a protest, but I do want something. a protest is what I can come up with as a leftist weirdo. but I'm trying to think creatively, figure something else out. ask 95 south to have a gay night? hang out at starlite during the "straight pride" parade and get wasted with fellow gays and gay friendly folk? dunno. just ... something. anything.
  • I don't think it needs to be terribly detailed or anything. Do mention that you're a constituent who lives in the neighborhood where this thing is taking place. Try to keep it short and sweet. That's about all I can think of to suggest.

    One of my coworkers who lives on Eastern Parkway happened upon Hakeem Jeffries doing his summer "office hours" thing in the subway last night and spoke with him about this whole thing. He thought it was horrible and said he was going to speak with Tish James about issuing a statement denouncing the "straight pride" parade. My coworker told him she appreciated that but was mainly concerned about the safety of LGBT people in the neighborhood and urged him to use his influence to make sure there is a strong police presence.
  • alafairnadia wrote: I guess I don't know WHY I want a protest, but I do want something. a protest is what I can come up with as a leftist weirdo. but I'm trying to think creatively, figure something else out. ask 95 south to have a gay night? hang out at starlite during the "straight pride" parade and get wasted with fellow gays and gay friendly folk? dunno. just ... something. anything.
    As someone who does LGBT civil rights work for a living, I just find it very frustrating when well-meaning people squander their time and energy on stuff like this when there are so many substantial, meaningful, more effective ways you can work towards equality for LGBT people.

    There are tons of more productive things one can do that can contribute to real long-term change, like making a donation to the California campaign to fight the anti-gay marriage ballot initiative, volunteering at an LGBT youth center, persuading one's employer to offer domestic partner protections or a gay-inclusive non-discrimination policy, or asking your state Congresscritter to vote for the Gender Expression Non-Discrimination Act or the Dignity for All Schools Act.

    I know that protest is largely catharsis and simply being heard and I absolutely support protesting and have certainly participated in quite a few in my time, but yelling back at a bunch of immovable, tone-deaf homophobes isn't going to change anything for the better -- and, in this case, I think it puts people in harm's way.

    Edited to add: I just looked at this again, and it's awfully lecture-y. I apologize for that. But yeah, do be careful if you go anywhere near this thing, or even if you just go to Starlite that day.
  • this scares me.
  • I agree that protests are largely ignored an ineffective these days. I agree with appollonia666 that if you really want to help LGBT rights then you should contribute time or money to an organization like NGLTF or the NYC Gay and Lesbian Anti-Violence Project. It will do much more good. I have a feeling that this "straight pride" parade is just an attempt to get press for an unknown reggae singer. Probably won't get much support or interest from local press though.
  • I still haven't heard anything concrete about whether or not this abomination is actually taking place yet? If it is, good luck with the protest for those organizing/participating, and stay safe to everyone - I'm sure tempers will be flaring.
  • eh. my protest (as it stood) is off. I'm working on something more fun - gay night at ripple!
  • Yeah! Read about that - should be much more fun and far less dangerous than hanging around the hate parade.
  • Subject: straight pride nonsense

    Gay pride events are not an assault on straight people. Upcoming straight pride is the silliest retaliatory attempt to attack gay people. There is a difference. I hope that can be clearly seen. What if i had a protest with a sign that said "bring back slavery?" I highly doubt people would support such ignorance and this is an attempt by hateful jamaicans who should occupy their time by cleaning up their own hateful culture than trying to say killing gay people is acceptable lyrics for their musical tunes. Grow up people.
  • ParadeRest wrote: Everybody else in this city gets to have a parade, a day, a month...Why not straight people?

    I can't wait to see how much overtime I get that weekend!
    I hear there's going to be a white pride parade soon too.

    image


    Constitutionally protected? Of course. But still despicable.



    Edited for typo.
  • wow
    i am not going to go into a long winded reply because it will basically be preaching to the choir
    but what struck me most about this thread is how hard it hit me and how long i have been sitting here just pondering the implications;
    hatred is such a core emotion
    and it is such an ugly, ignorant, blind beast
    the image carnivore posted really captures that
  • yeah. and who can't get assists organizing a gay night at ripple? I'm a little freaked.
  • Carnivore wrote: [quote=ParadeRest]Everybody else in this city gets to have a parade, a day, a month...Why not straight people?

    I can't wait to see how much overtime I get that weekend!
    I hear there's going to be a white pride parade soon too.

    image


    Constitutionally protected? Of course. But still despicable.



    Edited for typo.

    I wonder if ParadeRest is looking forward to the overtime he's going to work on this one too.
  • Hey, I just wanted to put it out there that if someone DOES want to organize a protest, I for one would seriously consider attending-- and so would a bunch of other neighborhood queers and their supporters. I know protesting is futile, etc., etc. but I don't know... I feel there is some value to a visible opposition here.

    And I wonder too if they actually have a permit or not. Did anyone ever find out?
  • Own This City

    They are reportedly running Sunday at 10am, starting at Church and Flatbush, heading down Church.

    image

    Latest press release
  • sweet tea wrote: it's really just a press grab for a jackass record label.

    which doesn't make me less pissed.
    ^^^^ this

    I wouldn't give it five seconds worth of organizing or counterprotesting time, although I do hope Gay Pimp gets some press out of it...
  • I looked at TCOOO's MySpace page the other day and it doesn't appear that anything further has been done on organizing this stupid parade, unless something further has been posted in the last day or two. I suspect they never got it together but didn't want to admit so publicly. If they are still doing it, they're not doing a great job of publicizing it.
  • apollonia666 wrote: I looked at TCOOO's MySpace page the other day and it doesn't appear that anything further has been done on organizing this stupid parade, unless something further has been posted in the last day or two. I suspect they never got it together but didn't want to admit so publicly. If they are still doing it, they're not doing a great job of publicizing it.
    Yah, actually I heard that the straight pride parade was on the down low.

    Ya know.

    :mrgreen:

    Last press release (I linked above) was August 19.
  • Overtime is good. It just keps padding my next retro payment.
  • The overwhelming hypocrisy in this thread is tragic. I suppose I should take the gay pride parade as a hate event against straight people....
    :roll:
  • JAH wrote: The overwhelming hypocrisy in this thread is tragic. I suppose I should take the gay pride parade as a hate event against straight people....
    :roll:
    Hey there JAH, nice to see ya back again!

    Try not to let it overwhelm you. An easy thing to remember in your life that will help keep that feeling away is that you have choices. You can make choices in your life that will make you more happy and peaceful. Just simplifying things can lead to a much greater sense of inner peace.

    Erase the hate!

    And keep on keeping on, don't let them get you down. _You_ are in control!
  • JAH wrote: The overwhelming hypocrisy in this thread is tragic. I suppose I should take the gay pride parade as a hate event against straight people....
    :roll:
    What in God's frigg are you talking about?!?!
    You are just so stretching right now it's not even mildy amusing.


    Actually, I take that back. You're like the anti-human. I just have to :lol:
  • JAH wrote: The overwhelming hypocrisy in this thread is tragic. I suppose I should take the gay pride parade as a hate event against straight people....
    :roll:
    I thought from your other posts that you understood that the minority without power cannot discriminate against the majority with power.

    Straight pride parade=white pride parade.

    Support one and support the other. Otherwise, who's the hypocrite?
  • Carnivore wrote:
    I thought from your other posts that you understood that the minority without power cannot discriminate against the majority with power.

    Straight pride parade=white pride parade.

    Support one and support the other. Otherwise, who's the hypocrite?
    You are way off base here. Its very sad that this babylonian society has come to the point where celebrating families is viewed as something hateful. That alone speaks for the vast amounts of power gays have.
  • I don't think that the celebration of families is the topic. The issue, from my understanding, is the hatred that is being targeted at gay people. The thought that if someone is gay, basically male, it is okay to beat or kill them. If it was just about families then it would be a great thing and if it happens and that is what it is about then great. If it turns into a gay bashing event, not so great.
  • "the Straight pride parade is a great idea because when a song like "Hit them hard" by my label mate Stapler can be banned just because it stresses the importance of a male and a female in every family, it is a sign that heterosexuals need to wake up.
    The Straight Pride Parade is a chance for Heterosexuals to gather together and proudly embrace their sexuality. The Parade will also allow reggae and dancehall fans who are in New York City for the Labor Day celebrations to get together and celebrate reggae, dancehall and family in love and unity. Adults are encouraged to bring their children along for the celebrations, as the event will be family oriented.
  • BABYLONIAN SOCIETY
    The Babylonian society was roughly divided into three classes: awilu (upper class), musheknu (free, but of little means) and wardu (slaves). All groups were protected by law, and enjoyed a minimum of rights. All groups (also the wardu, slaves) could engage in business and borrow money. However, there were differences between all classes in all fields, and many of the differences were fixed in the laws. All evidence tells us that the Babylonian society did not change much through its 1,200 years of existence.
    Slaves were either life-time slaves or slaves for a limited period of time. In the situations where people were slaves for only a limited period of time, the reference is to free people. Free citizens could become slaves, either as a punishment for certain offences, or children or wives could be sold as slaves by their parents. Slaves were not protected by any laws in their relationship to their owners, but it is believed that they were treated well, since a healthy slave could work harder and better. Slaves could buy their own freedom, or they could get their freedom by marrying a free person. The average price for an adult male slave would correspond to about US$300-400 in today's values.
    The upper class, awilus, were officials, priests, wealthy landowners and the the more affluent traders. This group owned much of Babylonia's land, the other great land-owning group being the temples.
    The other group of free people, the musheknus were craftsmen, clerks and farmers.
    One of the differences between the free classes of awilus and mushkenus were that the awilus could claim higher compensation for injuries inflicted upon them. But if one inflicted injuries upon others, a higher fine was then exacted.
    Marriages were arranged by parents, and it was expected that the groom present a gift to the father of the bride. The marriage was concluded by a contract inscribed on a tablet. The woman had some rights in the marriage; she could have property and engage in business. But it was the man who enjoyed most rights in the marriage: he could easily divorce his wife, and marry a second if the first did not give him children.
    Seriously, do you have any idea what your talking about? I realize that you'll take the above and manipulate it to reflect how you see today's society, but you'd be wrong.

    You, my friend? Are tripping.
  • The Roots of Babylon.





    "We know where we're going

    We know where we're from

    We Leaving Babylon-

    We goin to our Father's Land....."

    (Robert Nesta Marley, Exodus)




    The concept of Babylon plays a central role in Rastafarian Ideology: There is only one other word Rastafarians use with more frequency and passion, and that is the name of their Majestic Ruler, Haile Selassie. People who have even a mild interest in reggae understand what"Babylon"means, yet the roots of the word"Babylon"remain unknown to the masses. To gain a better understanding of this term, it is necessary know the full history of Babylon, which starts 6000 years ago in ancient Mesopotamia.

    The popular use of the word"Babylon"can be difinitively traced to Marcus Garvey's teachings, which liken the Afro-Caribs in the West to the Jews Exile into Babylon. The institution of slavery created tremendous suffering for those that were enslavedin both of these cases. Many people in Jamiaca are still suffering, due to the successor of slavery, which is racism and poverty. The Bible contains many stories of slavery that describe the hardship that was endured in acncient times, as well as the eventual emancipation from the hardship. Rastas have found much applicable meaning from within the Bible, and it is only natural that they identify with the Jews in Babylon, who faced much of the same obstacles that they themselves face. By labeling the source of their own oppression as"Babylon", the Rastas shed more light on the fact that opression is in fact taking place. This definitive name gives the oppression that they face a center, or a heart, which can be targeted easier. Instead of saying"Injustice must fall","Poverty must be alleviated", or"Jamaican legislation must represent its people", a Rasta need only say"Babylon must fall". When this centralized, encompassing word is used, it provides the Rasta with a target to be passionately against, and increases his sense of unity with his people.

    The word Babylon is by no means an arbritary word that is used to describe oppression. Babylon was one of the first cities to ever stand on Earth. It is quite clear that there is much to be learned about this mythical city that will help us to better understand the modern"Babylon system". I believe that the modern definition of Babylon describes a type of mentality that is common to all the institutions that are labeled as being"Babylon". However, the essence of what this midframe is can be most closely encountered through the study of the real Babylon as it grew, prospered and fell thousands of years ago.

    In a valley in the dry dessert region of the world that is now Iran, Babylon not only grew to a formiddable size, but also thrived, even amidst many changing factors. Babylonia was located between two rivers- the Euphrates, and the Tigris (hence the rivers of Babylon). Through simple irrigation, the Sumerian people of the desert were able to make use of the otherwise desolate land for some basic agriculture. Agriculture proved to be succesful, but the Sumerians desired more than just sustenance. Trade with other peoples became a very strong influence in the development of the city. To trade with foregn peoples was a very difficult and dangerous task. As a general rule, the larger the trading caravan was, the safer it was. This tendecency is one of the factors that promoted the growth of villages into cities. The resources and securities of a large and centralizated population were viewed as desirable. The first people in the area were the Sumerians, who had been living in bands. These Sumerian people developed the first Monarchy to ever exist, along with the first written language (Cuneiform). A complicated legal system, religion, and culture subsequently developed under the monarchy. Their first City States formed between 4000 and 3000 BC. These City-States went through various stages of conflict and collaboration. But within the next hundred years, a people called Akkadians migrated up the Arabian penisula. The Akkadian people battled the Sumerian peoples, and eventually they controlled all the City-States. This forceful take-over is particularly interesting, because of the high degree of Sumerian influence that remained after they were conquered. The Sumerian Cities were taken by the Akkadians, yet the Akkadians ended up absorbing much of the Sumerian culture, laws, and religion, and letting go of their own culture. It has been theorized that this was the case because the Sumerian peoples system of operating a city was effective, and much of its culture was complimentary to the oprations of the city.

    The original"Babylon system"is exposed to us as something was somewhat self-perpetuating. These bold new cities in Babylon couldn't possibly function without Beaurocracy. Beaurocracy was a new concept. In order to the feed the city people who worked, but didn't produce their own food, there needed to be middle men. These middle men had the task of figuring out the ammount of food that needed to be grown, etc. And this is where written records became of high importance. The writing style began as heiolyphic-like pictures, and quickly evolved into cunieform- a letter system consisting of wedge shaped scrapes. This new field that emerged; the field of record keeping and beaurocracy, can be considered to be the most influential role in creating what we call the"Babylon Mentality". The Babylonians saw this element of calcuting and coputing as a most important pursuit, and it quickly became a predominant mentality in the cities_. The Babylonians avidly pursued facts, numbers, measurements, workings, etc. They developed a complicated astrologocal charts, and detailed anatomony charts through observation.

    "For these observers, whose knowledge was deeply rooted in primitive ideas, the heavenly bodies which they studied over the centuries were living gods, whose ordered movements in space, correctly interpreted, could be used as a guide in the daily activity of men."(Babylon-The old Babylonian era)

    The Babylonians were solely concerned with the material aspect of living, and the way that they practiced religion mirrors this tendency. The first records of any written language are traced back to about 5000 BC in Mesopotamia. This language was originally used for accounting purposes and continued to develop throughout the era in which Babylon stood. The scientific, logical mentality that governed their lives, extended into, as well as received from, their religion. They were, in fact, a very religious and superstitous people, but the deities they believed in had concrete ties to the realm of physicality. Babylonian people believed in Polytheism. To believe in multiple Gods seems slightly absurd to the modern person. However, the effect it had on its people is similar to the increasingly popular modern religion known as Atheism. It becomes apparent how the"Babylon Mentality"of the modern Rastafarian vocabulary has a truthful synonomity with the Ancient Babylon's way of thinking.

    It is important to look at the context in which the kingdom of Babylon stood in order to better understand what it stands for and what its final outcome was. The era surrounding about 1600 BC serves as a good point by which the different Empires of the past can be understood in relation to eachother. Many other great Narions grew powerful soon after Babylon did. In the 1600's BC:

    -Babylon was already large and powerful nation, under King Hamurabi's rule

    -The Mycennean (Greek) Empire was growing to significant power.

    -Rome did not yet exist, nor did the Mesoamerican civilizations (such as the Mayans)

    -Ancient Egypt was at that the beginning of its great empire, already with Pharoahs, pyramids, and hyroglyphics.

    -It was at this time that the Jews wandered from their homeland to Egypt due to famine, and were taken by the Egyptians as slaves.

    Egypt has a particular relevence to the topic of Babylon. The Biblical book of Exodus is written almost solely about the Jewish enslavement in Egypt. For this reason, Egypt can be looked upon as another"Babylon". The most obvious difference between Egyptian opression and Babylon oppresion is the fact that the Jewish people came to Egypt on their own accord, but in the Babylonian scenario, the Jews were captured and brought into slavery. Looking at both cases, it becomes apparent that ancient Egypt was just as oppresive as the ancient Babylon. However, there is one quality that makes Babylon different from this other great nation that like Babylon, rose, prospered, and fell. Babylon valued the pursuit of knowledge of the world, where the subjective perception of the individual is secondary. This mentality promotes the creatrion of efficiency and innovation. Also, this non-acknowledgement of the self can in fact create a superficially unified (but unified non-the-less) people. City life creates changes in the way that its residents think, and view themselves. This is the same tendency that is later seen in Mycennean culture, as well as Roman culture.

    The term Babylon is used in Rasta terms with much negative connotations. It is something that they are radically opposed to. Corruption, politics, police, laws, and cities are often reffered to as"Babylon". Although it is possible to see these mechanisms as having qualities that are detrimental to the well-being of any society, there are elements of oppresion that take shape through these various creations of civilization. These mechanisms were created out of neccesity, else civilization would fall apart. (Note: It is quite possible that there are benefits of living in more natural, smaller bands of people, but we will assume that in the Mesopotamian era, people valued the security and various facilities of city life.) There are oppressive aspects of police, politics and laws that cause them to be labeled as Babylon, although it is not true to say that these insitutions where created with the intent of harm. The harm that is brought about stems from the institution's ignorance or insesitivity to the suffering that is created. Ignorance and insensivity are not always syncronous with evil and malice- many times they are the necessary first steps to wisdom and higher intuition. However, it is not my intention to defend these mechanisms of civilization, because it can be argued that these institutions are still oppressive, 4000 years later.

    The materialistic nature of Ancient Babylon provides us with sharp contrasting element to the Rastafarian Ideology. Rastafarian religion places high value on the natural world as something that should be lived in harmony with, but not controlled. The Rastafarians believe that they should live their life as Jah intends is to be lived. The emphasis here is on the personal, subjective understanding of one's purpose in life. The ancient Babylon mentality that is prevalent today, has many contrary elements to Rastafarian ideology. For example, modern society values its members according to their wealth, and ability to work in a"professional"setting. The Babylon mentality sees daily life as serving a utility, but does not place importance on the experiential and mystical elements of living.
  • JAH wrote:
    "the Straight pride parade is a great idea because when a song like "Hit them hard" by my label mate Stapler can be banned just because it stresses the importance of a male and a female in every family, it is a sign that heterosexuals need to wake up.
    With respect, it's not the mere notion of the importance of a male and female in every family that gays have a problem with, in regards to the lyrics of Hit Them Hard.

    I think these are the lyrics that make gays feel directly targeted:

    Jah Jah gonna hit them hard
    All the men who visit men backyard
    Leaving all the women to starve
    One thunder ball and all of them pause

    Unless someone can tell me how this is not intentionally inciting violence against gay men, I'll continue to think the "Straight Pride Parade" is just an excuse for a lot of gay bashers to get together and spread hatred against a minority.
  • JAH wrote: [quote=Carnivore]
    I thought from your other posts that you understood that the minority without power cannot discriminate against the majority with power.

    Straight pride parade=white pride parade.

    Support one and support the other. Otherwise, who's the hypocrite?
    You are way off base here. Its very sad that this babylonian society has come to the point where celebrating families is viewed as something hateful. That alone speaks for the vast amounts of power gays have.

    please teach me how i can use this vast power more effectively. what with shit like this parade, ralph reed, the use of anti-gay referenda to ensure voter turnout, jerry falwell et al. blaming us for 9-11 and katrina, nasty cartoons in mainstream newspapers comparing gay marriage to bestiality, the difficulty of getting humane hospital-visitation policies in place, anti-gay adoption and foster policies, etc., i can only think we could be doing a better job controlling the world. maybe we should do more with our powers of weather-control....

    but i'm not anti-male/female families. some of my best friends are straight. i don't mind, as long as they act gay in public.
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