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2008 Presidental Election: Obama v McCain

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  • boygabriel
    boygabriel
    Prediction:

    TV pundits and Democratic pessimists claim the choice of Biden reveals a weakness for Obama, while whoever McCain chooses will be a shrewd consolidation of his advantages.
  • jeffrey
    jeffrey
    Re: Biden, McCain campaign certainly wasted no time...



    Heh, owww. #-o



    Okay, ^ that was just lame. But who knows, it may work for those people...
  • daver
    daver
    Boygabriel wrote: Prediction:

    TV pundits and Democratic pessimists claim the choice of Biden reveals a weakness for Obama, while whoever McCain chooses will be a shrewd consolidation of his advantages.
    Gee, ya think? :D
  • pitu
    pitu
    back to the flashy videos...McCain and oil . . . your local reps and oil $$$
  • boygabriel
    boygabriel
    ::sticks fingers in ears; yells at top of lungs "LALALALALALAICAN'THEARYOU"::

    SURGEWE'REWINNINGOBAMAISSOOOWRONGMCCAINISSOOORIGHT

    Michael Collins:
    The United States political establishment responds with collective denial on a scale that's incomprehensible. In the presidential campaign, the only sustained public commentary on the war comes from the Republican presidential candidate John McCain who makes the bizarre claim that U.S. is "surrendering" with victory in clear sight. McCain touts the surge without noting that 4.0 million Iraqis are "displaced from their homes." Nearly ten percent of Iraq's population is either dead or injured and there are 5.0 million Iraqi orphans.

    This pathological view of victory claims the "surge' is a success in the context of a devastated population in an obliterated nation lacking in the most essential supplies and services; a nation where death continues on a shopping spree
  • boygabriel
    boygabriel
    NOOOO IT'S THE SUUUUUURGEEEEE

    McCain right Obama wrong!

    Among other reasons for the decline in violence: successful ethnic cleansing.

    The good news about declining civilian deaths, particularly in Baghdad, was due in part to the bad news about ''ethnic cleansing''. Sectarian violence continued to drive people from their homes in the Iraqi capital throughout the surge build-up in the first half of 2007. Areas controlled by the Shi'ites expanded in the north of the city, while the Sunnis, who were mostly on the losing side, consolidated in the south.
    4 million displaced. Baghdad neighborhoods divided by blast walls. We're winnninggggg!
  • carnivore
    carnivore
    Bush surrenders:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSLP66354720080825
  • boygabriel
    boygabriel
    Carnivore wrote: Bush surrenders:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSLP66354720080825
    I can't believe he's surrendering in the face of victory.
  • carnivore
    carnivore
    What an appeaser!
  • boygabriel
    boygabriel
    Neville Chamberlain.
  • daver
    daver
    Hissing cockroaches predict McCain the winner. How interesting. Only in NJ.
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    This presidential race was no contest: John McCain sped to the finish while Barack Obama was reluctant to leave the starting point.
    http://www.azcentral.com/offbeat/articles/2008/08/22/20080822roosters22-odd.html
  • boygabriel
    boygabriel
    How do the cockroaches feel about ethnic cleansing?
  • daver
    daver
    Boygabriel wrote: How do the cockroaches feel about ethnic cleansing?
    As far as the ethnic cleansing of cockroaches within my kitchen, I am currently FOR it.
  • boygabriel
    boygabriel
    Noooooes! Somebody save our Surge-y Victory!!!!! McCain Right! Obama Wrong!
    http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-brimley26-2008aug26,0,4646204.story wrote: Baghdad's misguided crackdown on the Sons of Iraq[/url]

    There is a gathering storm on Iraq's horizon. Over the last several weeks, its central government has embarked on what appears to be an effort to arrest, drive away or otherwise intimidate tens of thousands of Sunni security volunteers -- the so-called Sons of Iraq -- whose contributions have been crucial to recent security gains. After returning from a trip to Iraq last month at the invitation of Army Gen. David H. Petraeus, the U.S. commander in Iraq, we are convinced that if Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri Maliki and his advisors persist in this sectarian agenda, the country may spiral back into chaos...

    ...The last time tens of thousands of armed Sunni men were humiliated in Iraq -- by disbanding the Baath Party and Iraqi army in May 2003 -- an insurgency began, costing thousands of U.S. lives and throwing Iraq into chaos. Yet Maliki and his advisors risk provoking Iraq's Sunni community into another round of violence.

    The rising tensions in Iraq reveal a weakness in U.S. strategy and the Bush administration's approach to the war: the unconditional nature of our support to Maliki's government.

    ...The "surge" strategy in Iraq, as described by President Bush in January 2007, rested on the belief that tamping down violence would provide a window of opportunity that Iraq's leaders would use to pursue political reconciliation. But this has not occurred, despite the dramatic security improvements. Indeed, if the problem in 2006 and 2007 was Maliki's weakness and inability to pursue reconciliation in the midst of a civil war, the issue in 2008 is his overconfidence and unwillingness to entertain any real accommodation with his political adversaries. America's blank check to the Iraqi government feeds this hubris.
    John McCain: arguing for a blank check in American blood and money since 2003.
  • eggcream
    eggcream
    Carnivore wrote: So not only does McCain not know how many houses he has, but he also doesn't know what kind of car he drives. I really don't think he's just out of touch. The old man is senile!

    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/22/154944/168/674/572908
    but he knows how many states there are and what state he is in when asked ahaha
  • eggcream
    eggcream
    Boygabriel wrote: [quote=SevenOneEighty]And this book is doing better than Pelosi's right now and is getting a lot of buzz:

    Is anyone else disappointed that some people's hype of the buzz of this book is proving to be misguided? I know I am.
    BULK SALES EVIL! The reason this book is "doing well" is that huge bulk sales were initiated by right wing groups and evangelical churches - who give it away to their members. Or, more likely, throw it away.

    Look in the back of Corsi's book - at the foot notes - he lists himself as reference and quote source - I love it!

    Got a link to this claim about the bulk sales or you just like to throw things out there hoping something will stick?

    The book is a NY Times ( bet that kills 'em ) best seller.

    Corsi challenges Obama response
    Best-selling author's rebuttal to Democrat's campaign to be released here on WND

    http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73435
  • daver
    daver
    eggcream wrote: [quote=Livetotravel]BULK SALES EVIL! The reason this book is "doing well" is that huge bulk sales were initiated by right wing groups and evangelical churches - who give it away to their members. Or, more likely, throw it away.
    Got a link to this claim about the bulk sales or you just like to throw things out there hoping something will stick?

    The book is a NY Times ( bet that kills 'em ) best seller.
    Since you are citing the NY Times, it is fair to report that NY Times _does_ have it daggered as being influenced by bulk sales, check the list again for flags.

    NY Times Hardcover Nonfiction list
    Dagger description:
    A dagger (†) indicates that some bookstores report receiving bulk orders.
    Here is an article:
    The book is being pushed along by a large volume of bulk sales,
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/13/us/politics/13book.html

    That said, I don't believe that all bulk sales are evil, nor do I believe that all bulk sales are done just to game the numbers and throw the copies away.

    I would like to offer a great quote from the Corsi tome: "Obama wants to will all the white blood out of himself so he can become pure black."

    :mrgreen:
  • sevenoneeighty
    sevenoneeighty
    Oh Snap!!

    Now I know where all those Hillary-supporting, disappointed women over 40 might go... since they aren't going to Obama right now.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080829/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_veepstakes

    McCain chooses Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin for V.P.

    By LIZ SIDOTI and BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writers 47 minutes ago

    DAYTON, Ohio - John McCain picked Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, a maverick conservative with less than two years in office, as his vice presidential running mate Friday in a startling choice as the Republican National Convention drew near.
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    At a raucous rally in the swing state of Ohio, McCain introduced Palin as the political partner "who can best help me shake up Washington and make it start working again for the people who are counting on us."

    Palin, the first Republican woman tapped for national office, promised: "I'm going to take our campaign to every part of our country and our message of reform to every voter of every background in every political party, or no party at all."

    "... Politics isn't just a game of competing interests and clashing parties," added the woman who has built her career in large measure by challenging fellow Republicans. "The people of America expect us to seek public office and to serve for the right reasons."

    In a fast-developing presidential campaign, McCain made his selection six days after his Democratic rival, Barack Obama, named Sen. Joseph Biden of Delaware, as his running mate....
    McCain picks a woman V.P.
    Obama screwed up. He tried to get cute.
    Hillary was the pick for V.P. and he blew it.

    Wrong about the Surge.
    Wrong about his V.P choice.

    Not looking good for Obama....Happy Holiday Weekend!
    Sleep well, sweet prince.
  • sevenoneeighty
    sevenoneeighty
    Oh yea:

    http://www.vetsforfreedom.com/
  • pitu
    pitu
    The big melting ice is done by friends of mine . . . check it out




    :D
  • boygabriel
    boygabriel
    SevenOneEighty wrote: Oh Snap!!Now I know where all those Hillary-supporting, disappointed women over 40 might go... since they aren't going to Obama right now.
    I did the same polling you did (none), and I've come to conclusion that no significant numbers of female Democrats are going to vote McCain.

    John McCain: foreign policy judgment so bad that he thought invading Iraq was a good idea.
  • jeffrey
    jeffrey
    Boygabriel wrote: I did the same polling you did (none), and I've come to conclusion that no significant numbers of female Democrats are going to vote McCain
    That's all well and good here, within the Emerald City of Democrats.

    But what about the rest of the country. :scratch:
  • boygabriel
    boygabriel
    jeffrey wrote: [quote=Boygabriel]I did the same polling you did (none), and I've come to conclusion that no significant numbers of female Democrats are going to vote McCain
    That's all well and good here, within the Emerald City of Democrats.

    But what about the rest of the country. :scratch:

    dunno. We're all making up our own observations so I offered mine.
  • carnivore
    carnivore
    McCain speaks out against torture, waterboarding, forgets his vote against banning it:

    http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/31/mccain-torture-waterboarding/
  • sevenoneeighty
    sevenoneeighty
    jeffrey wrote: [quote=Boygabriel]I did the same polling you did (none), and I've come to conclusion that no significant numbers of female Democrats are going to vote McCain
    That's all well and good here, within the Emerald City of Democrats.

    But what about the rest of the country. :scratch:

    BG,

    I did say MIGHT.
    AND, you MIGHT want to rethink that, big boy.

    Jeffrey is so right ( no pun), it aint just abut what your friends at "Beast" or "Soda" on Vanderbilt say. This is about the tied polls and the ever so small shift of say 1 in 5 or 6 Hillary Supporters who are still bitter - and even bigoted in some of their posts: They AINT voting for Obama and sitting out can be just as bad as voting for McCain too.

    Justsaynodeal.com
    http://justsaynodeal.com/index2.html

    People United Means Actions, P.U.M.A. ( formerly: Party United My Ass)
    http://blog.pumapac.org/

    Opnion? hmm...better read those posts by Hillary Supporters.
    Palin's chromosomes may just be enough to give McCain the White House.
    She is definitely a game changer whether YOU like it or not.
  • sevenoneeighty
    sevenoneeighty
    food for thought:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/07/obamas_women_problem.html
    July 30, 2008

    Obama's Women Problem
    By Dick Morris

    If soccer moms determined the outcome of the 1996 presidential race and security moms tipped the balance in 2004, it is beginning to look as if older moms are the key to the 2008 contest. Obama has a problem among women over 40 and a big problem among women over 50. These groups, normally the staunchest of Democratic supporters, are showing a propensity to back McCain and a disinclination to support Obama.

    According to the latest Fox News survey, Obama is winning among women under 40 by 13 points, but McCain is winning among women aged 41-45 by four points. Among women 50 and over, McCain is three points ahead. Obama's 48-35 lead among women under 40 is normal for a Democrat, but to trail among women in their 40s by 45-41 and by women over 50 by 38-35 is extraordinary.

    The problem is that older women don't like Obama as much as younger women do. While 70 percent of women under 40 have a favorable opinion of the Democratic candidate, only 58 percent of women in their 40s feel the same way, and only 52 percent of those over 50 see him favorably.

    For a Democrat to be losing among women over 40 is without precedent in the past 20 years....
  • boygabriel
    boygabriel
    SevenOneEighty wrote: I did say MIGHT.
    lol. don't back off your dire predictions now! embrace your baseless pessimism!

    tied polls? lolol.
  • prodigalson
    prodigalson
    McLame the songbird:

  • sevenoneeighty
    sevenoneeighty
    Boygabriel wrote: [quote=SevenOneEighty]I did say MIGHT.
    lol. don't back off your dire predictions now! embrace your baseless pessimism!

    tied polls? lolol.

    If you are not looking at the many polls to gauge a candidates NATIONAL status with respect to voters, what are you using? Asking local friends and associates isn't going to tell you anything if all of your friends think like you...a classic error (remember 1988, 2000, 2004...) these were happy times in NYC - before the election results.
    People were so convinced the democrats were going to win...

    NY is going democratic in 2008, so don't bother.
    My concern (and your concern) is Ohio, W. Virginia, Pennsylvania, Indiana, Arkansas, Texas, Florida, etc.; these states will decide the election.

    These are states were Barrack did NOT win against Hillary.

    No president in the history of America, has won the election without winning pennsylvania or ohio...But Michigan, may be the key to this entire election.

    Pessimism? No, I am acknowledging Obama has some work to do.
    He needs to start answering some " fill in the blank" questions about his plans about "change".

    The debates and town hall meetings will be very interesting.
    I fear Obama will be busted when he will finally be forced to answer a direct question. He got off easy against Hillary because she couldn't criticize him too much - they were so similar and she couldn't bloody him up too much. The slick "above my pay grade" answer in Saddleback will lose him votes, no doubt. Dude, you want to be president...

    Whole new ball game today. And I cant go with warm, fuzzy feelings and media coronation. You and others underestimate McCain and his chances at your own peril. You also "misunderestimate" Americans.

    Obama supporters are too emotional about him and I also fear what will happen if he loses. Some folks are going to need grief counseling and therapy. You have to keep your feet firmly planted on the ground about these things and that has always been the major weakness of he Democratic party.

    Pride come before a fall.
  • carnivore
    carnivore
    Ultimately , history will show that the last 2 elections were stolen via electronic voting shenanigans and illegal voter disqualification.

    If it happens again this time, people aren't going to take it so easily.

    There will be resistance.

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