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Havin' A Brew on Your Stoop May Cost Ya. - Page 3 — Brooklynian

Havin' A Brew on Your Stoop May Cost Ya.

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  • daver
    daver
    Mougar wrote: Also, you need to have a 5"x7" sign on your property stating you do not want to receive advertisements.
    Fuck that. There should be a presumption of _not_ dumping shit on my stuff. I shouldn't need to roll with some BS sign stuck on telling people not to dump crap on my car. Let the people who _want_ trash put up signs on their hoopties singing Dump Yer Crap Here.
  • doctorj
    doctorj
    Carnivore wrote: [quote=doctorj][quote=Carnivore]
    Nitpicking a bit, but alcohol itself has no odor
    I've heard this before, but I don't believe it. I've used spectroscopic grade ethanol. It's a volatile solvent. You can smell it if you haven't been drinking.

    Here's a paper about factors affecting alcohol odor detection, naming a 'well-validated' ethanol odor threshold test.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14508636
    It doesn't say in the abstract whether they used reagent grade ethanol or vodka for the olfactory component of the test, although it did specify that the test group got ethanol in the form of vodka. I believe that vodka contains other volatiles that are actually responsible for the odor. Did you read the study itself?

    I've looked through their experimental section and skimmed the rest.
    "Olfactory thresholds to pure ethanol (ET; Pharmco, Brookfield, CT) and 2-phenyl-ethanol () were determined employing forced-choice single staircase procedures... the ethanol dilution series consisted of a similar series of half-log dilution steps in USP grade light mineral oil, with the exception that the highest contration was at the -1.0 log dilution, and the stimuli were presented via glass sniff bottles rather than squeeze bottles (Doty et al. 1986)."

    They go on to show that drinking lowers your sensitivity to the odor by more than 3 magnitudes of concentration (from less than 10^-7 to more than 10^-4).

    While obviously esters and so on in various drinks contribute a lot to their odor, there's not much difference in my experience between good quality vodka (Moskovskaya Black Label for example) and the corresponding mix of water and pure ethanol; they both smell like ethanol to me.

    Here's another one:
    http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0741832997001225
    "Sprague–Dawley-derived rats were exposed to the odor of 100% ethanol from postnatal day 1 to 22 in the home cage. An odor preference test was conducted on postnatal day 14 and a two-bottle ethanol intake test was conducted after weaning. "
  • lo kee
    lo kee
    Has anyone ever noticed the engraved metal "property line" markers around tall buildings in Manhattan?

    The corporate property owners install these to limit (or perhaps shift) lliability for allegedly negligent maintenance/conduct on their property to the city.

    Perhaps something like that would help to clearly demarcate the line where public property ends and private begins. If companies can do it, why can't individuals (or sharheodlers, when in fact co ops are private held corporations)? Property owners have a right to attenuate acess to the land they own, and such clear demarcations would leave no doubt as to where that right begins and ends.

    In the city privately held propery is constantly encroached upon and increasingly a privelage of the wealthy who can enjoy (literally) lofty positions. They also add these markers to deliniate and safegaurd their rights from adverse posession (the tresapasser who claims you no longer own land because you have slept on your ownership rights and failed to safegaurd it from encroachment by others, thus signaling willful surrender).

    I have no doubt that if this individual were living in a suburb and having a beer on his front lawn (perhapd next to a grill), the fact that he was on private property would not be called into question.

    If I were a coop shareholder, I would explore this. It would not only aid the people who want to freely enjoy privately held land by engaing in activities such as enjoying a beer on the front steps...

    It would also aid those shareholders that want to safegaurd their investment from other people engaging in negligent acts on their property, when they otherwise have fulfilled their duties to tresspassers.

    If Bank of America can do it, why can't you?
  • lo kee
    lo kee
    Fact is if you're on property you own wholly or in part and infracting no one else's rights you should be allowed to drink ouzo and evict any trespassers, including police, as long as you do so peacably.

    What is happening to my country that I love?
  • daver
    daver
    Lo Kee wrote: Fact is if you're on property you own wholly or in part and infracting no one else's rights you should be allowed to drink ouzo and evict any trespassers, including police, as long as you do so peacably.

    What is happening to my country that I love?
    Surprisingly enough, there are _many_ laws that impact what you do privately and peaceably on your own property no infracting anyone else's rights. :mrgreen: And not all of them are new, either.

    Damn Libertarians.
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  • lo kee
    lo kee
    daver wrote: [quote=Lo Kee]Fact is if you're on property you own wholly or in part and infracting no one else's rights you should be allowed to drink ouzo and evict any trespassers, including police, as long as you do so peacably.

    What is happening to my country that I love?
    Surprisingly enough, there are _many_ laws that impact what you do privately and peaceably on your own property no infracting anyone else's rights. :mrgreen: And not all of them are new, either.

    Damn Libertarians.
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    True.
  • sweet tea
    sweet tea
    wait, so now i can't poop on my stoop, either?

    man!
  • daver
    daver
    sweet tea wrote: wait, so now i can't poop on my stoop, either?

    man!
    You can poop on someone else's stoop...
  • marlenanyc
    marlenanyc
    If the stoop is now considered public property, does that mean I can call the city when the stoop stairs need to be repaired? :)
  • modsquad
    modsquad
    marlenaNYC wrote: If the stoop is now considered public property, does that mean I can call the city when the stoop stairs need to be repaired? :)
    That's funny. Try calling them to fix the sidewalk too! :P
    Oh yeah, guess who gets sued when some drunk impales themselves on the little iron fence around the tree pit.
  • daver
    daver
    marlenaNYC wrote: If the stoop is now considered public property, does that mean I can call the city when the stoop stairs need to be repaired? :)
    Good plan!

    As much fun as I'm having with this, I suppose it is appropriate to point out that the law in question doesn't (purportedly) call the stoop public property, but rather _publicly accessible_. Which apparently is a description that the NY Supreme Court has held up holds true for building lobbies as well. And given that the state and city feel perfectly comfortable making laws abridging what one can do on their private property, I suppose they feel even _more_ justified making laws abridging what one can do on your publicly accessible private property. In some ways, I suppose, this isn't entirely a _bad_ thing. But this one is waaaay bogus.
  • daver
    daver
    modsquad wrote: That's funny. Try calling them to fix the sidewalk too! :P
    Now _that's_ funny. And that REALLY IS public property. Whatta load of crap. I like it when they go after little old ladies for thousands from neighbors damaging the sidewalk from driving on it. Now _that's_ comedy!
  • mecosta
    mecosta

    Subject: from an offender......

    I received a summons in July for having an open container on the top step of my stoop. I live in a 3 unit building on a one way street.
    My court date is September 26th- whether I plead guilty or innocent I still have to go in- what a waste of the court's time.
    I'll let you know how it goes.
  • modsquad
    modsquad
    Make sure you take a book and try not to look around the room thinking, "How could I have fallen so low to be lumped in with public urinaters and turnstile jumpers." :-s
  • sir_eccles
    sir_eccles
    Does the inside of a bar count as "publicly accessible private property"?
  • modsquad
    modsquad
    they have a license fool!
  • limestonekid
    limestonekid
    Seems to me that I could now go to this gentlemen's stoop in order to smoke a cigarette and read the paper and the building's owners couldn't do anything about since the police have declared the stoop as public property.

    Sweet!
  • king without a crown
    king without a crown

    Subject: Re: from an offender......

    Mecosta wrote: I received a summons in July for having an open container on the top step of my stoop. I live in a 3 unit building on a one way street.
    My court date is September 26th- whether I plead guilty or innocent I still have to go in- what a waste of the court's time.
    I'll let you know how it goes.
    Theres a summons plea form available at all Police Precincts if you want to plead guilty and mail in the fine.
  • smokin joe
    smokin joe

    Subject: Re: from an offender......

    King without a crown wrote: [quote=Mecosta]I received a summons in July for having an open container on the top step of my stoop. I live in a 3 unit building on a one way street.
    My court date is September 26th- whether I plead guilty or innocent I still have to go in- what a waste of the court's time.
    I'll let you know how it goes.
    Theres a summons plea form available at all Police Precincts if you want to plead guilty and mail in the fine.

    hell no! fight it.

    anyone up for a bit of civil disobedience? why don't we choose a day and time for everyone to have a drink on their stoops. could be quite the party. police cordially invited of course.
  • lo kee
    lo kee
    Also, I forgot about thsi when I first posted, but the city wants to have it both ways (sorry too lazy to make the link pretty):

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F07E3DC173CF936A35753C1A9659C8B63
  • bill c
    bill c
    one of the great ironies is that if you try to do the right thing and appear on your summons the JHO always gives you a fine. if you fail to appear and later are returned on a warrant you get an ACD and no fine. to the scofflaws belong the rewards.
  • daver
    daver
    bill c wrote: one of the great ironies is that if you try to do the right thing and appear on your summons the JHO always gives you a fine. if you fail to appear and later are returned on a warrant you get an ACD and no fine. to the scofflaws belong the rewards.
    Well, yeah, you get out of the $25, but does not getting returned on the warrant involve being arrested? Which is probably a hell of a lot more hassle than the $25. Unless you are _really really_ bored.
  • sterling2000
    sterling2000
    Story got picked up on a Pacific Northwest radio station yesterday...they've been celebrating the summer with a nice track called "The Stoop"...might do an interview on the talk show if I can get it together...
  • whatchuwant
    whatchuwant
    Sterling: You MUST celebrate your newfound fame with.....a party on your stoop. Please. We WILL come! :wink:
  • daver
    daver
    Whatchuwant wrote: Sterling: You MUST celebrate your newfound fame with.....a party on your stoop. Please. We WILL come! :wink:
    With or without open containers??? :mrgreen:
  • whatchuwant
    whatchuwant
    daver wrote: [quote=Whatchuwant]Sterling: You MUST celebrate your newfound fame with.....a party on your stoop. Please. We WILL come! :wink:
    With or without open containers??? :mrgreen:

    Open WIDE! :twisted:
  • stacey
    stacey
    daver wrote: [quote=Whatchuwant]Sterling: You MUST celebrate your newfound fame with.....a party on your stoop. Please. We WILL come! :wink:
    With or without open containers??? :mrgreen:

    I say we do it Brooklyn style 40's only ;)
  • sterling2000
    sterling2000
    With 40s the cops would probably ignore it....
  • hamilton
    hamilton
    sterling2000 wrote: With 40s the cops would probably ignore it....

    ************************************

    it's more then likely they would have joined you.
  • sterling2000
    sterling2000
    Here's a talk radio program in the Puget Sound area that picked up this story and interviewed me live on-air last night...(interview starts just over the half-way point):

    http://icestream.bonnint.net/seattle/kiro/2008/09/0913200825321.mp3
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