Eastern Parkway and Portal St
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I gotta say, I agree with Jack.
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I think there is opportunity here. Brooklynian can start a Brownsville thread. Its sorta like tying a rope around Jo Beth Williams in the movie "Poltergiest", and throwing her into the "evil vortex".
OP, keep in touch, let us know how the weather is out there! -
brooklynleather wrote: But thanks for being so aggressive and weird towards someone you don't even know.
And thank _you_ for denigrating a whole neighborhood in a city that you don't even _want_ to live in but for that your _friends_ would think you not "cool" if you moved to Queens.
Sigh.
I am just really surprised to see such animosity towards a stranger. Do you remember the stray bullet that killed that woman on EP and Bedford? My friends lived on EP and Franklin and saw someone get shot. I am not making this stuff up, check city crime reports if you don't believe me. I don't dislike Crown Heights, I think it is a really beautiful neighborhood with some really good folks there but there are also areas that have crime. This isn't about being "cool" - this is an insane argument, quite honestly and I don't see why you have to be so mean. -
Whatchuwant wrote:
I'm sorry you are offended, but as I said to daver there were two people shot to death in the time I lived in the area, one of Bedford and EP and the other Franklin and EP - that was enough crime for me. I also lived on Washington and there was lots of crime (drug dealing) there, too, particularly around St. John's.
I'm a wee bit offended that you think my street (EP/Franklin) is rife with run down buildings, drug dealing and crime. I also completely disagree. Shit doesn't go down right ON the parkway, it mostly happens off it. It's also safer to walk around at night since there's always someone around. I personally feel MUCH safer on EP at night than I have, say, anywhere north of EP and the "sketchiness" you speak of on EP is vague and misleading.
That said, I'm not crazy about EP and Portal. It's NOT Crown Heights!!!!
I am not hatin' on Crown Heights, let me reiterate that. I do agree that EP felt safer than most other east/west streets in the late hours. -
There was a shooting of a doctor on the upper east side earlier this year, can't live there. There have been a couple shootings this year in fairly ritzy parts of Staten Island, can't live there either. Unfortunately the reality is that things do happen, and sometimes they are isolated, sometimes they are not. Eastern Parkway is without a doubt more "dangerous" than the upper east side (mostly) or south shore Staten Island. I wouldn't say that it is characterized by run down buildings, crime, and drug dealing. Eastern Parkway is not a war zone. Walk down there any time of the day or night and you will see people from all walks of life utilizing it, from Jewish mothers with their gangs of children to blacks whites browns or whatever, from brooks suits to track suits and everything in between. I have no idea when you lived there, but there are all sorts of fancy clothes shops these days, wine bars, eateries, all sorts of things.
Hate or don't hate, I don't think dismissing Eastern Parkway, especially the area around the museum we are discussing as "most of EP is pretty sketch, despite being beautiful" and "Run down buildings, drug dealing, crime" is either fair _or_ accurate. I've provided a newspaper article and examples of why it is not accurate, so I suppose that is all I have to say about that. -
Most people here are not saying that all of Eastern Parkway is extreamly dangerous; we are saying that this particular part near Brownsville is. Honestly, I think your head has to be buried in sand if you feel that the region J-Tron is thinking is safe.
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cccc wrote: Most people here are not saying that all of Eastern Parkway is extreamly dangerous; we are saying that this particular part near Brownsville is. Honestly, I think your head has to be buried in sand if you feel that the region J-Tron is thinking is safe.
The area brooklynleather referred to was Eastern and Franklin to Washington, not Portal, and she did say that most of Eastern Parkway was dangerous. Perhaps you actually agree with me. Feel free to pull your head out, reference above.
brooklynleather wrote: yes, Eastern Parkway *is* beautiful and parts of it are safe, but most of it isn't really. I just looked at a 3 bedroom for 2250 on Eastern Parkway and Franklin - may still be available. Not a fabulous area,
brooklynleather wrote: I would say most of EP is pretty sketch, despite being beautiful. Do we need to look at crime stats collectively?
More on EP & Franklin:brooklynleather wrote: Run down buildings, drug dealing, crime. On my "fabu" meter that isn't the highest rating,t hat is my correct.
On EP & Washington:brooklynleather wrote: lots of crime (drug dealing) there, too,
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Daver, I am sorry I insulted you that was not my goal. If you want to get technical here I said "most people" not all. Secondly, even though it might have sounded that way, the comment about having "head in the sand" was not meant to be a personal attack on you.
If it makes you feel better, I agree that parts Eastern Parkway, especially the area to the west of Franklin, is pretty nice. -
I am confused, I thought the original poster was reconsidering this location?
I have an idea for him! What about Ocean Parkway area in Kensington? Super safe and also a beautiful Parkway......... -
cccc wrote: Daver, I am sorry I insulted you that was not my goal. If you want to get technical here I said "most people" not all. Secondly, even though it might have sounded that way, the comment about having "head in the sand" was not meant to be a personal attack on you.
Dude, that doesn't even _register_ on my meter. I've had people threaten to find out where I live and kill my children on this board. (Which, BTW, is apparently within the rules. )
cccc wrote: If it makes you feel better, I agree that parts Eastern Parkway, especially the area to the west of Franklin, is pretty nice.
Um, so you don't think that EP between Franklin and Washington is "pretty sketch" and full of "Run down buildings, drug dealing, crime"?
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brooklynleather wrote: I am confused, I thought the original poster was reconsidering this location?
FYI Portal Street is about 3 blocks east of Utica Ave. http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=eastern+and+postal+st,+brooklyn,+ny&ie=UTF-8&mid=1221244909
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how much are you paying?
edit: couldn't get my google map to work.... portal street is FAR. -
cccc wrote: FYI Postal Street is about 3 blocks east of Utica Ave. http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=eastern+and+postal+st,+brooklyn,+ny&ie=UTF-8&mid=1221244909
Yer going postal! Try this.
I guess it is technically Crown Heights by most standards, but that is where Crown Heights, E Brownsville, and, uh, NE Flatbush meet. -
Yeah, I don't why I keep doing that. I already corrected it.
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how much are you paying?
$1700. $425 a piece.I am confused, I thought the original poster was reconsidering this location?
We are reconsidering. But we haven't decided either way. We put down a $500 deposit, but we've still got a little while before they need us to sign the lease. Plan was to move in Oct 1st. So we're taking a look at other places.
The plan tonight is to go and drive around the area around midnight. See what that's like.
The thing about that particular block is that it seems isolated. It's right on the parkway, not smack in the middle of a block. Here's a link again to the google map: EASTERN PKWY & PORTAL. The Utica stop is two blocks west. The walk home would be past Utica, past Rochester, past the North end of the park. Any particular thoughts about that?Seriously this is an EXTREMELY DANGEROUS neighborhood. High crime, no amenities and filled with drug dealers. Why would you still go for this rental when there are so many MUCH safer parts of Brooklyn that you and your roommates can live in?
That's a great point. So we are looking into some other places. But it seems, and I could be wrong, that nobody posting has lived on that block or spent much time there. The general impression is that it's dangerous, but has anyone been there? Spent time there, or in the park? That's an honest question. When we saw the place, the apartment was VERY nice and the older guy sitting out front reading the paper seemed to think it was a good place.
So we'll see tonight what it's like in the off hours. -
I rarely go through there, but I am semi-familar with East 98th because a reletive had a car repair shop on the block. He was robbed multiple times and on a couple of occasions had to hide behind some of his equipment because shots were being fired outside.
Also, two of people who already posted are police officers, who know where the hot spots are.
Here's an article about the Utica Avenue station:
Man Shot at Brooklyn Subway Station March 24, 2008
NEW YORK (AP) -- A man has been shot and wounded in a Brooklyn subway station during evening rush hour on Monday.
A police spokesman says the shooting occurred at 5:21 p.m. at the Utica Avenue subway station in the Weeksville section of Brooklyn. The man's age was not immediately known. He has been taken to Kings County Hospital, where he was reported in stable condition.
Police are looking for two males in their teens or early 20's, wearing red caps and black jackets. -
Also, if your going to drive around I would reccomend going on a clear day because on rainny days less people tend to be outside.
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Also, I'd recommend walking, not driving (once you get there). You'll get a more accurate impression.
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That stretch from Ralph ave to Portal street has seen atleast 3 Homicides in the last year. If you want you can go look at the Homicide map in the 77 Pct. When you're done cross the street and go to the bodega on Buffalo and Eastern pkwy and ask about one of the workers murdered inside there. Then stroll down the street where the guys BBQ and look at the bullet riddled gate to the Barber shop. After that, ask about the guy shot to death on the corner of Ralph and Eastern pkwy, when then when your done ask if anyone got hacked to death with a machete in front of 1370 Eastern pkwy.
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I propose that we all congregate on the corner of Eastern Parkway and Portal and have a keg party. Right on the street. I'm buying and I hope that you all like Schlitz, because that's the right beer for a joyous occasion like this. After we all get wasted, we could head over to Lincoln Terrace Park and play a few sets of tennis and then ride the subway home while hanging upside down from the overhead rails by our knees.
Who's in? -
From Gothamist:
Shooting | Utica Ave & Eastern Parkway In The Subway Brooklyn, NY | 9/13/2008 2:55 a.m. -
King without a crown wrote: That stretch from Ralph ave to Portal street has seen atleast 3 Homicides in the last year. If you want you can go look at the Homicide map in the 77 Pct. When you're done cross the street and go to the bodega on Buffalo and Eastern pkwy and ask about one of the workers murdered inside there. Then stroll down the street where the guys BBQ and look at the bullet riddled gate to the Barber shop. After that, ask about the guy shot to death on the corner of Ralph and Eastern pkwy, when then when your done ask if anyone got hacked to death with a machete in front of 1370 Eastern pkwy.
With all due respect KWAC these kind of facts are useless. If I wanted to live in lower Manhattan, say around Wall St., You would tell me, "Well, I wouldn't live there, 3,000 people died around the corner. Some of them burned to death, some of them were buried alive, and some of them were crushed." It's a dangerous neighborhood! I mean, a real New Yorker has to discern what actually threatens him and what is "local". Unfortunately bodega workers are targets, the machete attack sounds personal, and the bullets fired at the barber shop, well maybe I shouldn't get my hair cut there.
If these were truly random attacks, I would be worried. As callous as it seems, most of us look for a "reason" why someone is murdered. It's the only way we can psychologically survive. -
I respectfully disagree. I personally would be uneased by the fact that three people were killed within a year in seperate on the block I live. I would also be uneasy that two people were shot within six months in train station I use everyday. I know the vast majority of these incidents involve either gangs, drugs, or personal revenge, but still things do happen. For example, that nine year who was shot last month or the child who was shot sitting on her bed in Brownsville a couple of months ago had nothing to with any disagreement. Why would you want to live by choice in an envirnment where hearing gunshots or walking past the remains of a violent crime scene is not a surprise?
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Why are those facts useless? If I were thinking about moving to an area, I'd like to know if my block was a scene of multiple Homicides. I simply mentioned a few incidents right off the top of my head, I could've mentioned the Arson of the apartment building directly across the street displacing 100's of residents. I could've also mentioned the good samaritan murdered in the Park after giving some stranded motorists a ride. I could've also brought up the girl gang raped in the bathroom in Lincoln Terrace Park. But, comparing a Terrorist Attack to a single block in Crown Heights does present a pretty logical argument. :?
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So... we're doing it. We looked around, but this apartment is nicer. I walked around the block at night, it seemed ok. Moving in in October, will keep you all posted on how things are.
Thanks for your input. I won't lie and say I'm not a little uneasy, but I gotta try it out for a while at least. -
So what's the update? Is J-Tron moving to Portal?
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brooklynleather wrote: So what's the update? Is J-Tron moving to Portal?
Er, yes. He posted directly above you...J-tron wrote: So... we're doing it. We looked around, but this apartment is nicer. I walked around the block at night, it seemed ok. Moving in in October, will keep you all posted on how things are.
Thanks for your input. I won't lie and say I'm not a little uneasy, but I gotta try it out for a while at least. -
ah thanks. well good luck1
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a four bedroom for $1700 on Eastern and Portal.
granted, it works out to only $425 a piece, but that's still a lot of money for an apartment in that 'hood.
College is hell. you've gotta be in your early 20s to be doing this.
...good luck, I lived in similar situations, and can't say I would want to do again. -
Any update, J-tron? Did you and your friends move to this apartment? If so, how do you like it and the area?
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