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So much crime.... — Brooklynian

So much crime....

sirvigo
sirvigo
edited November -1 in Park Slope
Whats going on with all the crime in the neighborhood. last week i saw a group of teens break a dont walk sign and then run into the park. there are broken car windows EVERYWHERE!!!! i know people are after nav systems but i think it is just a bunch of teens with nothing else better to do i thought this was one of the safest places to live. whats going on is it punk teens or is there money to be made by all this?
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  • modsquad
    modsquad
    Trouble, oh we got trouble,
    Right here in River City!
    With a capital "T"
    That rhymes with "P"
    And that stands for Pool,
    That stands for pool.
    We've surely got trouble!
    Right here in River City,
    Right here!
    Gotta figger out a way
    To keep the young ones moral after school!
    Trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble...


    :twisted:
  • arches
    arches
    How abt this one? Sounds more serious that busted windows:

    From Gothamist Newsmap (no offense, Daver):

    Stabbing | 5th St & 7th Ave Brooklyn, NY | 9/15/2008 3:36 p.m.
  • longtimesloper
    longtimesloper
    The stabbing involved school kids from the old John Jay High School (what is that place nowadays anyway?)
  • doldrums
    doldrums
    Actually crime is down compared to last year in almost all categories.

    Here's the stats from the 78th pct

    http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statistics/cs078pct.pdf
  • bklynpetunia
    bklynpetunia
    I was wondering if anyone had any more info on the stabbing. It was right after school got out, and it looked like at least some of the kids involved were from John Jay (now called the Middle School for Journalism, Research and one other thing). Does anyone know if the kid who was stabbed is okay?
  • daver
    daver
    bklynpetunia wrote: I was wondering if anyone had any more info on the stabbing. It was right after school got out, and it looked like at least some of the kids involved were from John Jay (now called the Middle School for Journalism, Research and one other thing). Does anyone know if the kid who was stabbed is okay?
    There was a stabbing at Fifth Street and Seventh Avenue yesterday around 3:30PM that is said to have involved students at John Jay High School. Details about the incident are otherwise sketchy.
    http://www.gowanuslounge.com/2008/09/16/brookbit-stabbing-on-fifth-st-in-park-slope/
    according to this note from Park Slope Parents: "All of 5th Street between 6/7 Aves is taped off tonight. According to the policeman: 'Stabbing' 'After School' 'Yes, it was students.' He is not allowed to confirm if it was a fatality, but given all the investigation still going on at 8pm, I fear the worst. I have walked through the groups of teenagers on 7th Ave at 3pm almost every day last year and often this year and while they are often rowdy and often oblivious to anyone else on the street, those same students can also be very respectful and polite. It is scary and sad and yet another issue we should all be aware of and talking about."
    http://www.brownstoner.com/brownstoner/archives/2008/09/more_tales_of_w.php
  • bklynpetunia
    bklynpetunia
    thanks, Daver. That's as much as I know too. As of last night they hadn't caught the attacker yet, but as it was a school kid and there were lots of other kids as witnesses, the police were pretty confident it wouldn't take long.
  • daver
    daver
    bklynpetunia wrote: thanks, Daver. That's as much as I know too. As of last night they hadn't caught the attacker yet, but as it was a school kid and there were lots of other kids as witnesses, the police were pretty confident it wouldn't take long.
    I haven't seen anything appear in a paper yet, but it definitely seems like the kind of thing that will withing the next day or two.
  • eggcream
    eggcream
    John Jay can change their name, do yet another renovation and the school will remain the same dangerous place its been for years.
  • homeowner
    homeowner
    eggcream wrote: John Jay can change their name, do yet another renovation and the school will remain the same dangerous place its been for years.
    Why is that? What do you think it would take to turn that school around?
  • booklaw
    booklaw
    I think the city would have to make it a magnet school, like Midwood or Murrow, where a stated percentage of students must be drawn from the local neighborhood, and the rest would be admitted based on grades and maybe interviews.

    Only then would local parents have enough confidence in the school to send their kids to John Jay rather than to private school or to the elite public high schools (e.g. Midwood/Murrow/Brooklyn Tech/Stuy/Bronx Science.

    Only then would the disruptive kids who have no interest in learning be excluded from the school.
  • modsquad
    modsquad
    The problem with Magnet schools is that most of them occupy one floor within a larger school.
    It would be like throwing the little local lambs in with the wolves.

    John Jay is way to big to turn into magnet school.
  • booklaw
    booklaw
    Midwood is huge... thousands of kids. And neither of my daughters (both of whom were unusually tiny and scrawny when they went there) ever said they felt in any way threatened or, for that matter, out of place.

    The out of neighborhood kids were perhaps a little smarter and academically ambitious than the local kids, but if so, not by much.
  • linus
    linus
    Easy way to prevent crime throughout the entire city. Put Cameras Everywhere.
  • mougar
    mougar
    Linus wrote: Easy way to prevent crime throughout the entire city. Put Cameras Everywhere.
    Doesn't work in London, no reason to think it'll work here.
  • homeowner
    homeowner
    The kid was caught. He lived on Sixth Avenue. Its not clear whether he actually attended one of the three schools housed in John Jay.
    Tuesday afternoon, police announced the arrest of a 14-year-old connected with the attack. Armed with information from witnesses, detectives apprehended the young suspect at 3:25 p.m. in his home on Sixth Avenue, a block from where the incident occurred.
    http://www.brooklyneagle.com/categories/category.php?category_id=7&id=23199
  • jeanine
    jeanine

    Subject: crime

    Talk about crime. I think it must be safer in Brooklyn than out here in Las Vegas. I moved here 13 years ago and I sure miss Brooklyn. I am sure it dont help that I work for the Police Dept out here but the crime is so crazy with all the LA gangs and scam artist..
  • MOD
    MOD
    CURBED!!

    http://curbed.com/archives/2008/09/16/now_in_park_slope_stabbing_break_ins_fear_of_a_crime_wave.php
  • drunken revival
    drunken revival
    Thanks Mamacita...

    Too bad I immediately stop reading anything when the word "bucolic" appears. Maybe we could all chip in and get Robert, the author, an electronic thesaurus for Columbus Day.
  • daver
    daver
    Drunken Revival wrote: Too bad I immediately stop reading anything when the word "bucolic" appears. Maybe we could all chip in and get Robert, the author, an electronic thesaurus for Columbus Day.
    I heard them say that the meek shall reign on earth,
    Phantasmal myriads of sane bucolic birth.
    I've seen the rapture in a starving baby's eyes,
    Inchoate beatitude, the Lord of the Flies.

    So what does it mean when your mind starts to stray?
    Kaleidoscoping images of love on the way.
    Brother you'd better get down on your knees and pay.
    1,000 more fools are being born, every fucking day.

    They try to tell me that the lamb is on the way,
    With microwave transmissions they bombard us every day.
    The masses are obsequious, contented in their sleep.
    The vortex of their minds ensconsed within the murky deep.

    So what does it mean when your mind starts to stray?
    Kaleidoscoping images of love on the way.
    Brother you'd better get down on your knees and pay.
    1,000 more fools are being born, every fucking day.
  • rockergirl77
    rockergirl77
    Linus wrote: Easy way to prevent crime throughout the entire city. Put Cameras Everywhere.
    ok big brother. WTF. worst idea EVER.
  • cccc
    cccc
    NY Post:

    * Two teenagers were arrested after they stabbed a rival gangbanger outside a Park Slope high school, authorities said yesterday.

    James Maldanado, 16 and Christian Salazar, 14, repeatedly stabbed the 16-year-old boy outside John Jay HS, on Fifth Street near Seventh Avenue, at 2:30 p.m. Monday, cops said. The victim, who suffered a punctured liver, was listed in critical but stable condition at Lutheran Hospital.

    The suspects fled, but were captured the next day and charged with gang assault, weapon possession and harassment.
  • longtimesloper
    longtimesloper
    Totally out of left field question, but, the stabbing happened one block away from Methodist Hospital-why didn't they just take the kid there?
  • booklaw
    booklaw
    They wanted him to live...
  • filmlover44
    filmlover44
    Mougar wrote: [quote=Linus]Easy way to prevent crime throughout the entire city. Put Cameras Everywhere.
    Doesn't work in London, no reason to think it'll work here.

    True, it does nothing to prevent crime. They do help to solve them though.
  • eggcream
    eggcream
    Well for starters replace with kids who actually live in the neighborhood.
    homeowner wrote: [quote=eggcream]John Jay can change their name, do yet another renovation and the school will remain the same dangerous place its been for years.
    Why is that? What do you think it would take to turn that school around?
  • homeowner
    homeowner
    eggcream wrote: Well for starters replace with kids who actually live in the neighborhood.

    [quote=homeowner][quote=eggcream]John Jay can change their name, do yet another renovation and the school will remain the same dangerous place its been for years.
    Why is that? What do you think it would take to turn that school around?

    The kid that was arrested for the stabbing lived a block away from where it occurred on Sixth Avenue. How much more local can you get? And, all of the articles say that the stabbing occurred outside the school, but none of them say that any of the kids (either the stabber or the stabbee) went to the school.

    People from the neighborhood could go to those schools now. They affirmatively choose not to. If 200 local PS families banded together and sent their 6&7th graders to one of those schools, it would have a profound impact on the school. Why must there be exclusion of other students before PS parents will try to make the local school meet their needs?
  • booklaw
    booklaw
    Because those families are (rightfully) more concerned about the impact the school will have on their kids than they are about the converse. And even with 200-300 Slope kids at the school, those kids will be way outnumbered by the kids who come by subway and never carry books.
  • superjonbot
    superjonbot

    Subject: Re: So much crime....

    sirvigo wrote: Whats going on with all the crime in the neighborhood. last week i saw a group of teens break a dont walk sign and then run into the park. there are broken car windows EVERYWHERE!!!! i know people are after nav systems but i think it is just a bunch of teens with nothing else better to do i thought this was one of the safest places to live. whats going on is it punk teens or is there money to be made by all this?
    where's my baseball bat! this is a job for joe clark!
  • eggcream
    eggcream
    eggcream wrote: [quote=homeowner]"Why must there be exclusion of other students before PS parents will try to make the local school meet their needs?"
    Hmm, maybe because nobody wants to put their kid in harms way?

    Does the mere presence of outsiders=harm? Or, maybe a better question is does open enrollment mean that the school will attract kids who are undesirable, (and I guess a separate question is how do you define that) and if so, why?
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