I want to put a gate on my window, advice?

brooklynleather · September 2008

Since the management company says they won't even supply a deadbolt (I have to buy it, bootleg - is this legal?)

I am assuming they are just not going to pay for a gate to go on the window. Any suggestions on where to go to get one and have it installed? Thank you.

daver · September 2008

Subject: Re: I want to put a gate on my window, advice?

brooklynleather wrote: Since the management company says they won't even supply a deadbolt (I have to buy it, bootleg - is this legal?)

They are required to provide a lock, but I'm fairly sure they are _not_ required to provide a deadbolt.

brooklynleather wrote: I am assuming they are just not going to pay for a gate to go on the window. Any suggestions on where to go to get one and have it installed? Thank you.

Ya, good call. There have been a couple threads on this recently, if you can get the search to work.

brooklynleather · September 2008

That is so bootleg. There is a whole in the door where the deadbolt is supposed to be. Oy vey.

I will look into the gate thing -- thanks for advice.

bohuma · September 2008

I would call 311 if I were you. Every year that I've lived in NY I've received a notice from the management company (2 different buildings) asking me whether I have children under 8, in which case I have to have window guards, but telling me that if I want them I can have them. I am pretty sure that it is a requirement to provide window guards if the tenant wants them. 311 will be able to tell you for sure. As to the deadbolt, ask 311 too. I've never had anything other than the standard lock the landlord provided and I've never been burgled, but I may just have been lucky.

brooklynleather · September 2008

Sorry, i don't want the guards that prevent kids from falling, i want the one that prevents men from climbing in my window at night.

brooklynleather · September 2008

I just looked through threads and can't figure out where to buy one. Maybe I am also searching for the wrong term: Fire Escape Gate ?

modsquad · September 2008

For the deadbolt I would try a local hardware store that sells them before a locksmith, they may have a local guy or local super who could install it for you. In general, look for a building with a full time super. They are usually available for little jobs in the hood.
I'm loath to ask. Is this window on a fire escape?

brooklynleather · September 2008

We have a full time super, thanks! He said he can install it now that it seems it is true that they don't have to provide the deadbolt.

There is 1 window on a fire escape and despite the fact that my roommate finds them hideous (okay, I do too!) I would rather be safe. I'd like to do this before we move in. Any ideas on where to buy a gate and what is requires to install? It would be preferred if it was the kinda that opened so when we were around it didn't have to be on lockdown. Thank you!!

daver · September 2008

brooklynleather wrote: That is so bootleg. There is a whole in the door where the deadbolt is supposed to be. Oy vey.

A hole in the door does NOT sound OK...

daver · September 2008

brooklynleather wrote: There is 1 window on a fire escape and despite the fact that my roommate finds them hideous (okay, I do too!) I would rather be safe. I'd like to do this before we move in. Any ideas on where to buy a gate and what is requires to install? It would be preferred if it was the kinda that opened so when we were around it didn't have to be on lockdown. Thank you!!

nirdgirl wrote: We moved to the area in late June and used http://www.soslocksmith.com for our gate. They were really good and reasonably priced. However, not same day. They insist on coming to measure the window themselves (for free) and then give you an estimate on what it'll cost. Then about 5 days to make it.

I would think a custom one is better than one that can expand to different window sizes. Those don't seem as secure to me.

We called a lot of places and went with them. Good luck.

brooklynleather · September 2008

Thanks I will check them out.

brooklynleather · September 2008

http://www.soslocksmith.com/

their price: $350 - $400 ...... any other ideas?

hedgehog · September 2008

Having gone through the yellow pages trying to find someone to cover my THREE windows facing a fire escape, I ultimately relied on the skills of my Super to rustle up a few gates. I ended up paying a 1/3 of what I would have elsewhere. So I'd ask your Super if he knows how to get one cheap--barring that, I second SOS who gave me the lowest quotes and seemed the most professional of the locksmiths I auditioned. Also, buying one of those hideous accordion ones doesn't seem worth it since hardware stores sell those for $250+ when you can have a nicer iron one for $50+ more.

Also, on the door lock situation (having also wrangled with that recently) the requirements are: "a heavy duty latch set and a heavy duty dead bolt operable by a key from the outside and a thumb-turn from the inside." Which does not mean a top lock deadbolt. And "a chain door guard so as to permit partial opening of the door." (NYC Admin Code 27-2043)

brooklynleather · September 2008

Thanks for all that info! Very informative. Well this time I can get a really secure deadbolt. Any recommendations?

I'm also trying to find those giant platic wrap rolls and bags for moving beds...wanted to dot his myself cause I am afraid of gettin' bed bugs from the moving van. Oy!

hedgehog · September 2008

I'd suggest ordering online from Uhaul (fast and I think free shipping and you can buy things piecemeal)--bought my industrial plastic wrap and giant mattress bags from them.

brooklynleather · September 2008

thanks!

brooklynleather · September 2008

Actually they said 5 - 10 days for shipping and I move in 10 days. Any idea where I can do this in person? Thanks!

homeowner · September 2008

There is a storage place in Ft Green (I think on Hart St) that has boxes, plastic bubble wrap and all kinds of strange moving and storage boxes. You can't miss it, its the big green building off Flushing Ave.

crowhillkitty · September 2008

used fire escape gates:

http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/for/846109527.html
http://newyork.craigslist.org/brx/for/840286879.html

brooklynleather · September 2008

thanks so much! i am totally going to call. I really appreciate the help.

Also Hart and Flushing -- will check it out thanks!

brooklynleather · September 2008

Just found this:

"Window guards approved by the NYC Department of Health (DOH) must be properly installed according to DOH specifications in all windows, including bathroom windows, except any window providing access to fire escapes. For buildings with fire escapes above the first and ground floors, but none below, one window must be left unguarded to allow for a secondary exit from the apartment [NYC Building Department rule 4.10]."

So correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't this state that no windows below the first floor should be left unguarded?

http://www.dhcr.state.ny.us/rent/factsheets/orafac25.htm

daver · September 2008

brooklynleather wrote: Just found this:

"Window guards approved by the NYC Department of Health (DOH) must be properly installed according to DOH specifications in all windows, including bathroom windows, except any window providing access to fire escapes. For buildings with fire escapes above the first and ground floors, but none below, one window must be left unguarded to allow for a secondary exit from the apartment [NYC Building Department rule 4.10]."

So correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't this state that no windows below the first floor should be left unguarded?

http://www.dhcr.state.ny.us/rent/factsheets/orafac25.htm

That rule applies to the child guards, which you don't want anyhow. You _do_, however, have to put an FDNY approved gate on a fire escape window. Which can be more costly than regular ones, FWIW.

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