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are you that lazy? SHOVEL AND SALT, PLEASE - Page 2 — Brooklynian

are you that lazy? SHOVEL AND SALT, PLEASE

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  • alafairnadia
    alafairnadia
    I walked very very slowly. but yeah, there were tons of folks outside shoveling when I was walking to the subway, at least. horray.
    now if only the nice local kids would set up hot toddy and irish coffee stands, I'd be a happy happy camper. :)
  • rah
    rah
    arielbl wrote: -Those people who are building the condos at the corner of Classon and St Johns. They also failed to shovel all last winter.
    I just got home and almost killed myself in front of that building. I called 311 to complain but was informed that they aren't taking any complaints until 4 hours after the snow has stopped (it wasn't snowing when I called). Have other people heard this?
  • idlewild
    idlewild
    RAH wrote: [quote=arielbl]-Those people who are building the condos at the corner of Classon and St Johns. They also failed to shovel all last winter.
    I just got home and almost killed myself in front of that building. I called 311 to complain but was informed that they aren't taking any complaints until 4 hours after the snow has stopped (it wasn't snowing when I called). Have other people heard this?

    I believe NYC law says building owners have two hours (maybe four) after the snow stops to shovel and clear walks.
  • pitu
    pitu
    City law is 4 hours. My winiest yuppiest neighbor is always the last to shovel.
    :evil:

    The sidewalks are black ice at the moment. My DOG was just slipping, so watch out!
  • emily
    emily
    It's sort of damned if you do, damned if you don't. Personally, I'd start shoveling at about 4 inches even if it's still snowing, because if you wait longer it gets really heavy (depending on wetness of snow). But then maybe you'd end up with a small layer of slush that turns to ice. What are the city's guidelines on what counts as cleared? Sometimes I find a thin icy layer worse than a patch that hasn't been cleared at all, in terms of slipperiness.
  • jamesondean
    jamesondean
    As a homeowner, would it be possible to install some type of gas heating system and have the sidewalk permanently angled toward the gutter? I'm envisioning a lazy man's dream: after the snow stops you turn on the gas, and it all melts into the gutter, leaving an ice-free, dry sidewalk. I'm sure this would cost like $10 ($20?) every time you turned it on, but there are mornings where it'd be worth it. :)

    Now I'm going to go program Rosie the Robot to make dinner...
  • arielbl
    arielbl
    At Penn State (where it snowed a helluva lot, and where they have a heckuva lot of engineers), they ran the heating pipes between the central heating plant and campus buildings underneath the most commonly used walkways. It helped somewhat. But they also had the huge ride-on snow vacuum...
  • alafairnadia
    alafairnadia
    yeah, I'd rather people don't shovel heavy snow falls at all if they're not going to deal with the subsequent ice issues. black ice is the devil.
  • stacey
    stacey
    As a homeowner I have found the best way to handle the snow is shovel half way through a snow storm, then shovel when it is done and when it starts to melt a little throw a little deicer on the ground.

    James - I only wish I could do what you suggest - life would be sooo much easier :)
  • emily
    emily
    This might be some kind of urban legend, but I think there is some kind of driveway you can get installed that has heaters under it.

    http://www.heateddriveway.com/
  • stacey
    stacey
    EmilyM wrote: This might be some kind of urban legend, but I think there is some kind of driveway you can get installed that has heaters under it.

    http://www.heateddriveway.com/
    Definately a driveway can be heated because it is on your property and you are responsible for it. But technically the city owns the sidewalk and since the sewer pipes, and electrical lines run under the sidewalks into the various homes, so I highly doubt they will allow the heaters.
  • pitu
    pitu
    stacey wrote: [quote=EmilyM]This might be some kind of urban legend, but I think there is some kind of driveway you can get installed that has heaters under it.

    http://www.heateddriveway.com/
    Definately a driveway can be heated because it is on your property and you are responsible for it. But technically the city owns the sidewalk and since the sewer pipes, and electrical lines run under the sidewalks into the various homes, so I highly doubt they will allow the heaters.

    Except . . . I remember reading a few years back about Bill Cosby and other deep-pocketed Upper East Siders putting in heated sidewalks . . .

    but I think the city likes them better than us. they pay for their own absurd luxuries
  • vanilla
    vanilla
    crossed washington and entered CH to find that the lack of salting and shoveling is WAY worse.. seemed like entire blocks had no attempt of any ice/snow removal!
  • candicissima
    candicissima
    vanilla wrote: crossed washington and entered CH to find that the lack of salting and shoveling is WAY worse.. seemed like entire blocks had no attempt of any ice/snow removal!
    Yeah! Bewitched and I walked down Prospect from Vanderbilt to Classon the other day and it's really miraculous that we didn't break stuff with all the ice we were sidestepping. :evil:
  • whyfi
    whyfi
    Candicissima wrote: [quote=vanilla]crossed washington and entered CH to find that the lack of salting and shoveling is WAY worse.. seemed like entire blocks had no attempt of any ice/snow removal!
    Yeah! Bewitched and I walked down Prospect from Vanderbilt to Classon the other day and it's really miraculous that we didn't break stuff with all the ice we were sidestepping. :evil:
    Glad you didn't fall in front of my place- you seem the litigious sort! :P
  • bewitched
    bewitched
    nybt wrote: [quote=Candicissima][quote=vanilla]crossed washington and entered CH to find that the lack of salting and shoveling is WAY worse.. seemed like entire blocks had no attempt of any ice/snow removal!
    Yeah! Bewitched and I walked down Prospect from Vanderbilt to Classon the other day and it's really miraculous that we didn't break stuff with all the ice we were sidestepping. :evil:
    Glad you didn't fall in front of my place- you seem the litigious sort! :Pmwah ha ha! :twisted:
  • muteflute
    muteflute
    i think dailyheights should start a fundraiser, selling crampons for ice-walking. you know, with eye-catching graphics on top? I'd definitely buy a set. we can even have pet-sized ones.
  • pete_c
    pete_c
    FWIW I shovelled some of my neighbor's untended sidewalk on Sterling, even donated some precious ice cream salt to the effort.



    PLEASE use salt and not that hideous hydrochloric deicer crap! Our dogs' paws thank you!
  • stacey
    stacey
    pete_c wrote: PLEASE use salt and not that hideous hydrochloric deicer crap! Our dogs' paws thank you!
    I thought it was Salt that was harmful to dogs' paws not the deicer. I think I have salt at home but will make sure. Thanks.
  • pete_c
    pete_c
    Well, both will bother dogs, but if you use musher's wax (good stuff is available down at Acme) then they can go right through salt without even noticing. (get it? "not-icing." ZING!)
  • pitu
    pitu
    stacey wrote: [quote=pete_c]PLEASE use salt and not that hideous hydrochloric deicer crap! Our dogs' paws thank you!
    I thought it was Salt that was harmful to dogs' paws not the deicer. I think I have salt at home but will make sure. Thanks.

    for the sidewalks
    There's a chemical kind that is easier on dog's paws, and another kind that gives them a hot foot. They no love the salt either.

    for the dogs
    Musher's Wax rocks.
  • dan.h
    dan.h
    Ya know, I had no idea what you guys were talking about this morning with all the ice... I went for a run this morning and nearly lost it several times. Those ice patches are an inch thick!
  • metulj
    metulj
    dan.h wrote: Ya know, I had no idea what you guys were talking about this morning with all the ice... I went for a run this morning and nearly lost it several times. Those ice patches are an inch thick!
    The fascinating thing to me is that the ALLSTATE insurance agency on Vanderbilt was the biggest culprit along my regular routes.
  • alafairnadia
    alafairnadia
    metulj wrote: [quote=dan.h]Ya know, I had no idea what you guys were talking about this morning with all the ice... I went for a run this morning and nearly lost it several times. Those ice patches are an inch thick!
    The fascinating thing to me is that the ALLSTATE insurance agency on Vanderbilt was the biggest culprit along my regular routes.

    I noticed that last friday -- home heating oil and allstate had huge sheets of ice in front of them. LAME!
  • carnivore
    carnivore
    metulj wrote: The fascinating thing to me is that the ALLSTATE insurance agency on Vanderbilt was the biggest culprit along my regular routes.
    Yeah, the irony is great. I guess they don't have to worry about people sueing them for falling in front of their place because they've got good insurance...
  • vanilla
    vanilla
    what really made me mad was that house that sold for 1 million $$$ on park place nearing underhill.. you know, the one with the sort of pink pillars that the guy bought & wants to make it 5 floors even thought the area is not zoned for that many floors?

    i could not find the link, but in front of the 1 million dollar house bought seemly for profit only, the cheap ass can't even salt the sidewalk or pay someone to do it... oh, i should have called 311 right then & there... as IF..
  • armchair_warrior
    armchair_warrior
    anyone who doesnt get the snow and ice off their side walks should slip and fall. cause hiring a locale kid to do it is pretty cheap. when i was a wee lad i done it for pocket change.
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