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Mamacita wrote: Beatniks are not hippies BTW

From the Urban Dictionary:


beatnik
A member of the Beat Generation (late 50's - early 60's), a nonconformist in dress and thought. Often reknowned for wearing black turtleneck sweaters, stove-pipe trousers, dark glasses and berets. They used to hang out at coffee shops where they would recite poetry (sometimes accompanied by bongo drums), and talk about jazz or the people/society/regimes that are oppressing them and trying to make them conform.
"Oh, man! Ned spilled ink all over my poems. He's a real flat tire, I mean a cube, man. He's putting us on the train to Squaresville" - Ned Flanders' beatnik father

"I'm really diggin' this jaaaazz, maaan! This cat is really hip! Far out daddy-o!" (clicks his fingers repeatedly)

With some notable exceptions (like say KEROUAC) to a large degree the beat movement of the fifties became the hippie movement of the sixties. That urban dictionary definition is _completely_ missing the whole drugs and sex aspect and the other ways the beats pushed boundaries through their nonconformity. Seriously, beat wasn't about black turtlenecks and berets, lol.

queencallipygos wrote: conspircies are always later proven to be true.

...Like...which...ones?

Offhand, some government high profile ones in recent history would probably include Watergate, Iran-Contra, Jack Abramoff, secret CIA torture prisons. In business, I would nominate the S&L debacle, energy price fixing in California, computer memory price fixing. Enron. WorldCom. Um, let's see. A number of them in Vegas, like the rigged Venetian drawing, the fixed slot machines in the 90s and the death surrounding them. Shit, what about the secret bombing of Cambodia?

Anyway. A few for ya.

Although I would disagree with the statement that all conspiracies are always later proven to be true. FWIW.

Oliver Stone?

Cool The Kid wrote: Believing in conspiracy theories is POINTLESS unless you PROFIT from your knowledge

There are more important things than profit.