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Crime up — Brooklynian

Crime up

Has anyone seen the latest crime statistics? Apparently murder is up over 30% in both the 71st and 77th precincts. What's going on? Does anyone have any theories?

Also, have you noticed a change at all? I'm new to the neighborhood so I'm not sure what it was like on the streets a year or two ago.
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  • I've been in CH for just about a year now and I haven't seen much of a difference crime wise. Thankfully, I've never had any serious run-ins though I'm usual very alert and aware of my surroundings when coming home late at night (which is almost every night). At most, maybe there are a few more homeless people panhandling aggressively but that's too subjective really.

    Honestly the biggest change I've seen is the neighborhood's complexion getting a lot paler. When I first came here I'd actually feel annoyed when seeing another white person as it reminded me that I stuck out on the streets. Now they're popping up everywhere.
  • Well the economy is fucked up, jobless rate just went up to 6.5%, so no jobs, crime pays!
  • I forgot, there was actually a lot of sporadic gunshots late summer and early fall though it seems to have calmed down recently. At the time it seemed like every other thread was about gunshots and there was even a thread about gunshot thread. As I said though, I never encountered any of it personally and things seem to have settled down.
  • Crime has gone WAY down in East NY, though. First time ever.
  • dapearl9 wrote: I forgot, there was actually a lot of sporadic gunshots late summer and early fall though it seems to have calmed down recently. At the time it seemed like every other thread was about gunshots and there was even a thread about gunshot thread. As I said though, I never encountered any of it personally and things seem to have settled down.
    Happens every year. It's called cold weather.
  • the kids going back to school also plays a role. Keeps crime down during school hours. ...unless you are in a school, of course.
  • Ahh, here's a theory....Take a good look around and what do you see. Yes you live with a bunch of savages. Gee that was real hard to figure out. You guys talk about hearing gun shots like it's no big deal. The first time I hear a gun shot where I live, I'm packing up and moving.
  • i agree with the complexion change. when i moved here, i was generally the only caucasian getting off the subway near my apartment, that's no longer the case. i never saw caucasians walking around, and now they're everywhere. it's only been a couple of years.

    i certainly haven't noticed anything different with the crime, though. a LOT more panhandling on the streets, but nothing violent. i used to only see people near the subway, but now i see them asking for money all up and down franklin
  • Im a sloper wrote: Ahh, here's a theory....Take a good look around and what do you see. Yes you live with a bunch of savages. Gee that was real hard to figure out. You guys talk about hearing gun shots like it's no big deal. The first time I hear a gun shot where I live, I'm packing up and moving.
    http://brooklynian.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=467596
    http://curbed.com/archives/2008/11/05/gentrification_or_not_those_werent_firecrackers.php
    http://gothamist.com/2007/02/11/cops_husband_sh.php
    http://gridskipper.com/64491/hostage-situation-in-park-slope-shots-fired

    Yeah, it looks like you got a bunch of savages living with you in PS as well. See ya, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. :roll:
  • Dude are you kidding me. Read the links you posted. All the gun shots were coming from the north side of the park in Crown Heights (savage land) The other shooting, the guy lived in St. Marks Place. I mean really now, does anyone consider anything on the other side of Flatbush as being park slope? And the last link, at least the guy was drunk and was in his own home when it happened. If I had the time, I could fill your board up for the next 5 years with links to all the savage nonsense going on in your area. Don't even attempt to compare Park Slope and Crown Heights. That is so laughable. You want links to read. The first two are all you have to look at.

    http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statistics/cs078pct.pdf

    http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statistics/cs071pct.pdf

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Russel_Timoshenko

    ** Lets also remember the Crown Heights riots and that wonderful parade you have on Labor Day each year**

    Great place to live......ENJOY IT until the day you become a victim.
  • Oh and I forgot this link, these stats cover just the northern part of Crown Heights. Very lovely!

    http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statistics/cs077pct.pdf
  • oh, how FASCINATING. someone who doesn't live in CH has arrived to tell us all about our neighborhood. since this has NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE, i am so EXTRA EXCITED to learn from you!!!!!!!!11!!
  • "Dude" PPW and 15th St isn't the north side of the park. Neither is 6th and Prospect, and the perp in that case lived on St. Marks between 5th & 6th which is certainly not on the other side of Flatbush. And when I checked, being drunk and in your own home doesn't give you a pass on firing off a weapon. As a matter of fact, I'd suggest to you that anyone who gets drunk enough to result in a police standoff in CH comes out of their house in a body bag rather than going through a multi-hour standoff with the police.

    I never claimed that CH was utopia. I simply said that your statements about us "savages" over on this side of the park and the implication that "nothing like that happens over here" in the upper whitelandia of PS are not based on facts but are reflections of your own underlying racist thoughts. You were the one that claimed that if shots were fired in your neighborhood you would move. Well, just helpfully pointing out that shots have indeed been fired in your neighborhood, and by people who actually live there.

    Contrast that with the folks that committed the murder of Officer Timoshenko (which you so helpfully cited) who neither lived in nor seemed to have any ties to the Crown Heights neighborhood they committed the crime in.
  • 30 Homicides this year and still counting. Your right, Crown Heights is such a "civil" neighborhood. I never lived there but worked in that shithole for 10 years. No one knows more than me of the carnage in that neighborhood. Half of the things that go on there, don't even make the news. You have no idea. Keep living in your fantasy land. On that note, I'm out of here. I couldn't expect anyone that lives there to actually see the type of people that live and hang out there. The statistics don't lie. Believe what you want.
  • So when are you moving out of Brooklyn "Im a sloper"?
  • Sloper, There doesn't seem to be much crime in my neck of Crown Heights. Where is all this crime happening?
  • do not feed newbie trolls.
  • This guy sounds like a quack, even compared to KWAC.
  • Don't drag me into this one por favor, It might get ugly!
  • KWAC is not a newbie troll.
  • whynot_31 wrote: do not feed newbie trolls.
    word.
  • With the economy continuing the way it is and the holiday season fast approaching, crime in Crown Heights is set to grow at an unprecedented pace.

    Hope you people are prepared for a long hard winter.
  • I have been in CH for over a year now, and I have experienced some crime first hand, break-ins and a mugging, but other than that I'm just aware of my surroundings and try to be as smart as possible. With the way the economy is and the holidays coming up, it definitely makes me a little nervous. But I dont know if we have to be 'prepared for a long hard winter' but just keep your eyes and ears open .. ya know
  • exactly, you'll be amazed what neighborhoods you can walk thru and live in if you do avoid doing some very basic things, such as

    Buying or selling drugs
    Displaying jewerly (aka IPOD, cell phone)
    and are aware of your surroundings (aka: sober)
  • Are people mapping the crime in that muggings map still?
  • Obamanut wrote: With the economy continuing the way it is and the holiday season fast approaching, crime in Crown Heights is set to grow at an unprecedented pace.

    Hope you people are prepared for a long hard winter.
    The connection between a bad economy and increased crime is thrown around a lot while historical evidence actually contradicts it. For example there were higher crime rates in the 1920s than during the 1930s.
  • dapearl9 wrote: [quote=Obamanut]With the economy continuing the way it is and the holiday season fast approaching, crime in Crown Heights is set to grow at an unprecedented pace.

    Hope you people are prepared for a long hard winter.
    The connection between a bad economy and increased crime is thrown around a lot while historical evidence actually contradicts it. For example there were higher crime rates in the 1920s than during the 1930s.

    You are right, I was completely off base. Don't worry about a thing, just keep listening to you iPod on Eastern Parkway, you'll be fine.
  • Obamanut wrote: [quote=dapearl9][quote=Obamanut]With the economy continuing the way it is and the holiday season fast approaching, crime in Crown Heights is set to grow at an unprecedented pace.

    Hope you people are prepared for a long hard winter.
    The connection between a bad economy and increased crime is thrown around a lot while historical evidence actually contradicts it. For example there were higher crime rates in the 1920s than during the 1930s.

    You are right, I was completely off base. Don't worry about a thing, just keep listening to you iPod on Eastern Parkway, you'll be fine.

    Thank you, your graciousness and humility is inspiring.
  • I'm fired up now at work. The fact is a struggling parent who gets laid off is not going to start mugging people to buy Christmas gifts. Poverty doesn't turn people into animals who exist in a constant survival of the fittest death match. While it can lead to some crime the desperation can just as easily lead to tighter communities and families as people band together through the storm.
  • dapearl9 wrote: [quote=Obamanut]With the economy continuing the way it is and the holiday season fast approaching, crime in Crown Heights is set to grow at an unprecedented pace.

    Hope you people are prepared for a long hard winter.
    The connection between a bad economy and increased crime is thrown around a lot while historical evidence actually contradicts it. For example there were higher crime rates in the 1920s than during the 1930s.

    In the 1930's they were too depressed to steal.
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