Bach's Home Remedies
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Subject: Re: Bach's Home Remedies
bewitched wrote: Anybody know where to buy these in the neighborhood? Vitamin Shoppe and Yaba only carry the rescue remedy. I'd rather find it locally than order online.
wait, what's wrong with rescue remedy? between rescue remedy and emergen-c, I pretty much survive ... -
Subject: Re: Bach's Home Remedies
bewitched wrote: Anybody know where to buy these in the neighborhood? Vitamin Shoppe and Yaba only carry the rescue remedy. I'd rather find it locally than order online.
Don't waste your money. That's total snake oil. Do you know how many drinks you could get at Soda for the price of one bottle of that crap? -
Subject: Re: Bach's Home Remedies
Carnivore wrote: [quote=bewitched]Anybody know where to buy these in the neighborhood? Vitamin Shoppe and Yaba only carry the rescue remedy. I'd rather find it locally than order online.
Don't waste your money. That's total snake oil. Do you know how many drinks you could get at Soda for the price of one bottle of that crap?
dude, rescue remedy rules. I put drops in my cat's food when there, oh some surgery the next day, and I def. put some in my water when emotional. unfortunately, I wasmoreemo than I thought yesterday, but rescue remedy rules. -
Subject: Re: Bach's Home Remedies
alafairnadia wrote: dude, rescue remedy rules. I put drops in my cat's food when there, oh some surgery the next day, and I def. put some in my water when emotional. unfortunately, I wasmoreemo than I thought yesterday, but rescue remedy rules.
Show me the evidence...
I'm very skeptical of these unproven herbal products. How can you be sure it's not placebo effect? -
Subject: Re: Bach's Home Remedies
Carnivore wrote: [quote=alafairnadia]dude, rescue remedy rules. I put drops in my cat's food when there, oh some surgery the next day, and I def. put some in my water when emotional. unfortunately, I wasmoreemo than I thought yesterday, but rescue remedy rules.
Show me the evidence...
I'm very skeptical of these unproven herbal products. How can you be sure it's not placebo effect?
um. I'm probably an alcoholic. like, it doesn't matter. and, my cat, when she's stressed, like she was yesterday after going to the vet and the intent breast exam, drank rescue remedy. the furious skin shedding and hair shedding ended after that. she was the flakiest kitty ever before the appt. now she's fine.
oh shit, it's time to pick up food!! -
No, I don't want the resuce remedy which everybody carries. I want their brand of arnica cream.
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Subject: Re: Bach's Home Remedies
Carnivore wrote: How can you be sure it's not placebo effect?
But if the placebo effect makes you feel better... -
bewitched wrote: No, I don't want the resuce remedy which everybody carries. I want their brand of arnica cream.
oh. hrm. why their particular brand? there were some reputable arnica creams at yaba when I was there?
(p.s. sorry for earlier, incoherent posts. there's this drink, see, called a french 75, and carnivore makes them. yep.) -
alafairnadia wrote: [quote=bewitched]No, I don't want the resuce remedy which everybody carries. I want their brand of arnica cream.
oh. hrm. why their particular brand? there were some reputable arnica creams at yaba when I was there?Because I'm a brandist! I figured there's a lot of crunchy people around here who would know where to find Bach's. If not, then I might give in and try another brand. -
bewitched wrote: [quote=alafairnadia][quote=bewitched]No, I don't want the resuce remedy which everybody carries. I want their brand of arnica cream.
oh. hrm. why their particular brand? there were some reputable arnica creams at yaba when I was there?Because I'm a brandist! I figured there's a lot of crunchy people around here who would know where to find Bach's. If not, then I might give in and try another brand.
give in! I'm pretty sure I've never seen a Bach's brand arnica so, er, yeah. -
bewitched wrote: [quote=alafairnadia][quote=bewitched]No, I don't want the resuce remedy which everybody carries. I want their brand of arnica cream.
oh. hrm. why their particular brand? there were some reputable arnica creams at yaba when I was there?Because I'm a brandist! I figured there's a lot of crunchy people around here who would know where to find Bach's. If not, then I might give in and try another brand.
I don't care *why* you want it, but they do have lots of those wee bottles of Bach remedies at the Coop. They are sort of new there, on an endcap by the yogurt.
I loved reading Bach's descriptions of emotional/personality states, tied to pansies, peonies and various barks. It's rather a brilliant diagnostic tool on its own.
Anyway, the Coop . . . makes the potions less absurdly priced.
'cept I don't know about Bach and arnica cream. -
Alas, I'm not a member. Thanks though for the tip.
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bewitched wrote: Alas, I'm not a member. Thanks though for the tip.
you must know a member... -
Nope. And if I have to ask someone to go buy it for me, I'd rather just order it online.
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Subject: Re: Bach's Home Remedies
RAH wrote: But if the placebo effect makes you feel better...
pitu wrote: Anyway, the Coop . . . makes the potions less absurdly priced...
It's true that the placebo effect helps some people. But the makers of herbal supplements make huge sums of money selling products with no proven benefit (and thanks to Senator Orin Hatch, no requirement for proven safety because they are exempt from FDA regulation). Many of the people who buy these products really don't understand how much they're being taken advantage of. You can make sugar water for very cheap. There's no reason to spend $50 a bottle for its equivalent. -
Orin Hatch, whose state is home to several supplement companies, was the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act (DSHEA)'s primary sponsor when it was passed in 1994.
Copyright 1999 The Times-Picayune Publishing Co.
Times-Picayune (New Orleans, LA)
August 16, 1999 Monday, ORLEANS
DIETARY SUPPLEMENTS LOOSELY REGULATED BY '94 DSHEA LAW
By Richard Harkness Knight Ridder Newspapers
Q. Exactly what is the Dietary Supplement Health & Education Act law and how does it regulate herbal remedies?
A. Actually, DSHEA applies to all dietary supplements, not just herbal products.
This law, passed in 1994 with much fanfare, is primarily responsible for the current market boom in herbal remedies and other dietary supplements. Let's look at some history before talking about the pros and cons of DSHEA.
You'll notice a sharp irony early on: The herbal supplements market in the United States has come almost full circle since its "ancient" early days.
In the 1800s, as scientific methods became more refined, chemists began synthesizing compounds with pharmacologic activity from herbs and other plants. Many of our modern prescription drugs traveled this path. With this development, science began to catch up with the "snake oil" nostrums peddled by unscrupulous practitioners claiming miraculous but unproven cures. With new drugs came new government regulations to protect the public.
Manufacturers of herbal remedies were unable to comply with the new laws, and most of the questionable products disappeared from the scene.
By the 1970s, many people were becoming disillusioned with the complexities of modern medical care, and there was a renewed interest in "natural" products and herbal medicines.
As unregulated herbal and vitamin products became more popular and exaggerated claims became more pervasive, there were demands that these products, like drugs, be proven safe and effective. In an effort to sidestep such restrictions, consumer groups and supplement manufacturers joined hands to lobby for the passage of DSHEA. This legislation, passed in 1994, threw a protective umbrella over herbs, vitamins, minerals, and amino acids by classifying them as "dietary supplements" instead of drugs.
That started the market boom that continues today.
DSHEA is a compromise between a little bit of regulation -- primarily related to product labeling -- and the much stiffer traditional regulations required for drugs.
The offshoot is that supplement manufacturers, unhampered by the burden of scientific proof, could channel their resources into marketing and promotion. Many dietary supplement manufacturers are reputable and reliable, but at the lowest common denominator, you could work out of a garage, slap labels on bottles and ship them out.
Under DSHEA, manufacturers of dietary supplements have much leeway in making claims. The result has been a jumble of half-truths by some companies. And if you think what is printed on product labels has to be factual, you may be in for sticker shock in some cases.
For example, one study revealed that 20 percent of ginseng products tested contained no ginseng at all. Oriental herbal remedies used for arthritis have been found to be laced with steroid drugs. The list goes on. Such disclosures tend to give an undeserved black eye to reputable supplement manufacturers.
To help remedy this disturbing situation, some type of workable compromise is being called for -- a middle ground between the current lack of regulation and the stringent regulation required for drug products -- such as the adoption of a system such as that used in Germany, where herbs are an integral part of conventional health care.
The German Federal Health Agency's Commission E monographs stipulate that herbal products must be proven safe and have "reasonable proof" of effectiveness before they can be marketed in Germany.
One positive, though small, step in the right direction is FDA's recent new labeling regulations for dietary supplements. As of March 23, 1999, manufacturers are required to be more consistent and thorough in listing ingredients on product labels. You will now see a "Supplements Facts" panel on labels similar to the "Nutrition Facts" panel required on most processed foods.
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Richard Harkness is a consultant pharmacist who writes on health care topics. You can write him at 1224 King Henry Drive, Ocean Springs, MS 39564.His e-mail address is: [email protected]. Volume of mail prohibits individual replies; selected letters will be answered in his column.
1999, The Sun Herald (Biloxi, Miss.) -
I was just in Yaba, {OH I LOVE that place}...they do carry the full line of Bachs Herbal Remedies, not just Rescue Remedy. I ended up buying a big assortment of lovely products for myself.

BTW, I swear by Rescue Remedy. There have been times when I was pretty damned upset, and it calmed me immediately. Placebo effect or no, I think it's great stuff. Also calms pets. :!: -
sje wrote: I was just in Yaba, {OH I LOVE that place}...they do carry the full line of Bachs Herbal Remedies, not just Rescue Remedy. I ended up buying a big assortment of lovely products for myself.
Carnivore, I don't (heart) the supplement swilling adopt-you-when-you're-dead Mormons (JEEZ, just read that book...Under the Banner of Heaven : A Story of Violent Faith -- by Jon Krakauer), but if everybody's dog is doin' it . . .
BTW, I swear by Rescue Remedy. There have been times when I was pretty damned upset, and it calmed me immediately. Placebo effect or no, I think it's great stuff. Also calms pets. :!:
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What is Yaba? -
Yaba is a new, large shop on Flatbush {right next to New York Natural} just above 6th Ave. They sell tons of brands of soaps, cosmetics, supplements, shampoos, etc, and it beats the hell out of Duane Reed! I saw some brands there I had never seen before,{and I consider myself a professional shopper}. They also carry a great selection of European brands. They had just received dozens of boxes of new stock, I'll go back in a few days when that's all unpacked.
I also found the prices excellent. -
Subject: Re: Bach's Home Remedies
alafairnadia wrote: wait, what's wrong with rescue remedy? between rescue remedy and emergen-c, I pretty much survive ...
i need to teach you about the chinese medicine CURING PILL, too!
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best bach home therapies in my book are the goldberg variations (both glenn gould versions) and/or, depending on the problem, the sonatas and partitas for solo violin (grumiaux), played on a quality stereo, snifter of good cognac in hand.
works like a charm. -
Smokin' Joe wrote: best bach home therapies in my book are the goldberg variations (both glenn gould versions) and/or, depending on the problem, the sonatas and partitas for solo violin (grumiaux), played on a quality stereo, snifter of good cognac in hand.
Agreed 100%. Well, maybe 97%. The Brandenberg concertos should have a role in the therapy of some conditions.
works like a charm.
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