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Resurrection etiquette — Brooklynian

Resurrection etiquette

apollonia666
apollonia666
edited November -1 in Prospect Heights
For serious. This seems to be chafing a lot of keisters and perhaps one way to deal with it is to say as a group how old the last post in a thread should be before resurrecting the thread becomes a nuisance. Y'know, since asking people repeatedly not to do it isn't working.
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  • pitu
    pitu
    I'll just go ahead and put this out there...
    :twisted:
    at what point does one Kill The Troll?
  • ben
    ben
    If someone has something meaningful and relevant to add to a post then its age shouldn't matter. If it's just some dumb comment like "ha ha, that was cool" then they should keep it to themselves, no one else cares.
  • alafairnadia
    alafairnadia
    Ben wrote: If someone has something meaningful and relevant to add to a post then its age shouldn't matter. If it's just some dumb comment like "ha ha, that was cool" then they should keep it to themselves, no one else cares.
    I'm with you. I ressurect stuff when I have something to say about the issue that was discussed, something to add, an update, or if it's been discussed at a happy hour the night before (aka my twice ressurection of the Height Coffee thread). otherwise, new thread time or private message time. woot.
  • carnivore
    carnivore
    Ben wrote: If someone has something meaningful and relevant to add to a post then its age shouldn't matter. If it's just some dumb comment like "ha ha, that was cool" then they should keep it to themselves, no one else cares.
    I agree. But I'd add that, with that in mind, I don't really agree with any of the choices in this poll. As long as the new posts are meaningful, there shouldn't be time limit or number cap on thread bumping.
  • heit
    heit
    pitu wrote: I'll just go ahead and put this out there...
    :twisted:
    at what point does one Kill The Troll?
    yea, I mean how do you get 200 posts since xmas ? with zero substance ?
  • apollonia666
    apollonia666
    Carnivore wrote: I'd add that, with that in mind, I don't really agree with any of the choices in this poll. As long as the new posts are meaningful, there shouldn't be time limit or number cap on thread bumping.
    Noted. I would add that as an option, but apparently you can't add options once people start voting.

    Begs the question, though: what do you think constitutes a meaningful post?
  • emily
    emily
    I prefer that people bump old posts rather than start new ones. It's annoying when a newbie asks "what's a good dry cleaner" and I have to point them to seven threads. But don't bump them unless you have new insight or information...
  • vanilla
    vanilla
    maybe there is a way in the list posting to not only date the last post but also the original post date as well, does that make sense?
  • pitu
    pitu
    EmilyM wrote: But don't bump them unless you have new insight or information...
    yeah, that's the thing isn't it. I don't think the board is broken, just abused by one silly person who is gleefully sucking everyone else's time.

    I want to waste MY time on this board dammit!
  • emily
    emily
    Yeah, but despite my usual dyspepsia on this topic, I don't think the "troll" designation is fair. He's not coming in with that "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH" attitude or posting dozens of literally content-free new threads, for example.
  • carnivore
    carnivore
    EmilyM wrote: Yeah, but despite my usual dyspepsia on this topic, I don't think the "troll" designation is fair. He's not coming in with that "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH" attitude or posting dozens of literally content-free new threads, for example.
    I agree. I think he means well and is just a little overenthusiastic.
  • captain m
    captain m
    If he chills out fine. If not, we should put it to a poll and if he loses feed him to the mole people
  • carnivore
    carnivore
    Damn... It's like Lord of the Flies here... :shock: :twisted:
  • alafairnadia
    alafairnadia
    good god! this makes me scared to ever bump the heights coffee thread again. :cry::cry::cry:

    but yeah, I think our buddy armchair_warrior is not doing this out of any form of malice or anything (as a troll would) nor do I believe that he is deriving pleasure from people's irritation. I think he's just enthusiastic and I, for one, think it'd be awesome if he'd show up at the next happy hour. *cough* so show up! :D
  • flute
    flute
    Captain M wrote: If he chills out fine. If not, we should put it to a poll and if he loses feed him to the mole people
    I always understood this to be a 'public' forum. I think that "Chris" who made the comments regarding "guests" versus registering had some very good and very valid points.

    Do you stifle the comments you find "annoying" and not part of the club ... and thereby risk losing those that are real and vital and relevant? Even if they are contrary to your points of view? Even if they are marginal or silly or trite, in your opinion? We can't all be as bright as the average DHer, sorry.
  • devincf
    devincf
    What's the difference between a guest troll and a registered account troll? A free email service. Sometimes you have to regulate.
  • flute
    flute
    devincf wrote: What's the difference between a guest troll and a registered account troll? A free email service. Sometimes you have to regulate.
    that's kind of the point .. but ... what has armchair warrior done, exactly, that is soooo very bad ... and regulate what about him/her/it ???
  • devincf
    devincf
    I would say that endless bumping of old threads for no reason is inherently trollish behavior. It's trying to mess up the general flow of the forums for the regulars. It's good trollish behavior because it's hard to tell if the guy is doing it to cause everyone a headache or just because he doesn't understand that it's annoying.

    The test comes when he is asked to cut it the heck out, and to see what happens. I think that if a poster keeps acting in ways that are essentially disruptive to the community, the account should be deleted.
  • emily
    emily
    I think armchair_warrior passes your test. I let him (?) know that the bumping was bothering some people and he should dial it back a bit. He did. There are other people who like the old threads, so I think we've reached a sort of middle ground.
  • apollonia666
    apollonia666
    devincf wrote: I would say that endless bumping of old threads for no reason is inherently trollish behavior. It's trying to mess up the general flow of the forums for the regulars. It's good trollish behavior because it's hard to tell if the guy is doing it to cause everyone a headache or just because he doesn't understand that it's annoying.
    Exactly. The frustration that led to me posting this mainly formed because several regulars had tried first hinting then outright pleading to ease up, and his reaction was basically to dismiss it with a "la la la I'll do what I want" and continue bumping. When I said something about the sheer volume of his posting he said he worked weird hours. When I said the site felt like it was turning into a one-person message board and suggested he slow down, he gave me this whole "you do as you do and I'll do as I do" line. A few other people said things and he laughed them off too. It seemed like well over half the active threads were several months old and had been bumped for no apparent reason, and several of us had voiced our objections and were being ignored.
    EmilyM wrote: I think armchair_warrior passes your test. I let him (?) know that the bumping was bothering some people and he should dial it back a bit. He did. There are other people who like the old threads, so I think we've reached a sort of middle ground.
    Fair enough, and he has indeed slowed down quite a bit on it now. I guess all of that was before you discussed it with him, Emily. I appreciate your involvement and I appreciate that armchair_warrior finally listened to somebody, but I doubt it would have escalated quite so much if he hadn't been so dismissive of everyone else who'd already asked him to chill out.
  • captain m
    captain m
    I asked him nicely in another thread to slow it down a bit and gave him to what I thought decent reason why. His response was pretty dismissive, so was his response to several other people.

    So for me it was less the neverending bumps but a dismissive attitude to many of the other people here.

    I have had great arguments on here, only becasue I would not dimiss someone elses opinion.

    I certainly never claimed to be smart or anything like that.
  • carnivore
    carnivore
    OK, I changed my mind.

    This new thing with intentionally starting multiple new threads on topics that he knows have been discussed before just so that he can whine about not being allowed to bump is obvious and annoying. He can't claim ignorance because he's made it quite clear that he read all the old threads.

    This fucker is a troll. :idea: :evil: :idea:
  • medusa
    medusa
    Carnivore wrote:
    This fucker is a troll. :idea: :evil: :idea:
    The word "twerp" came to my mind.
  • apollonia666
    apollonia666
    Hrmm. I just found a fun little site on this very topic:

    http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/index.htm

    I'm thinking Necromancer, with a soupcon of Target and Lamer.

    Edited to add: oooh, there's a goodly amount of Coffee Klatsch in there too.
  • ar
    ar
    I know I'm new here, but I replied (bumped) an old thread from Sept. and it seemed to be a good thing. ( Punk night) . Laboring a point is annoying, but something new on the topic, seems fine to me even it's just closure.
  • rhodamine
    rhodamine
    geez... between this post and the "amyskittysitting" one, etc etc etc, this site seems to be focusing more on the nebulous issues of netiquette and forum moderation than the usual fare lately. troll calling, thread-bumping, overbearing bold-faced comments from mods (try PM next time?) and all the general whining... damn.

    seems odd to me when the intended content of the board gets as mixed with the should-be-more-behind-the-scenes issues of moderation as it has recently.

    its really been putting me off of this site lately. are we gonna become one of those boards that develops a reputation for being an argumentative, alienating bunch of geeks who spend as much time bitching about the board itself as they do actually talking about their neighborhood? :cry:
  • alafairnadia
    alafairnadia
    it seems cyclic. I remember when I first joined a lot of people asked the same questions over and over and over again (I think there were questions about dry cleaners and tailors about 5 or 6 times over the course of a few days), but that seems to have petered out.

    and I'm not a mod, but I don't find it inconceivable that PM discussion spilled over onto the board if someone felt strongly about an issue and chose to vomit it everywhere.
  • alafairnadia
    alafairnadia
    oh, and, at the time I joined, I remember thinking "what a bunch of nazis" when people got all huffy about questions being repeatedly asked. now, as a regular reader, I find it just as irritating as they do.

    also, I'm guessing that every time this site's name is dropped in the paper or on another site, we get tons of new readers, a lot of whom are bringing netiquette skills from other places.
  • rhodamine
    rhodamine
    alafairnadia wrote: oh, and, at the time I joined, I remember thinking "what a bunch of nazis" when people got all huffy about questions being repeatedly asked. now, as a regular reader, I find it just as irritating as they do.
    its a paradox. the repeated questions cause the huffy remarks about repetition, that get repeated just as often as the questions themselves.

    someone stop the insanity!

    or write a faq or something (as in etiquette here, not how to use the forum specifically). and make people read it before they can join. :twisted: :idea: :idea: :idea: :idea: :idea: :idea: :idea:

    this is a perfect example of such from another forum ive been involved with forever...
  • apollonia666
    apollonia666
    rhodamine wrote: geez... between this post and the "amyskittysitting" one, etc etc etc, this site seems to be focusing more on the nebulous issues of netiquette and forum moderation than the usual fare lately. troll calling, thread-bumping, overbearing bold-faced comments from mods (try PM next time?) and all the general whining... damn.

    seems odd to me when the intended content of the board gets as mixed with the should-be-more-behind-the-scenes issues of moderation as it has recently.
    I apologize for my part in this. I realize this may sound disingenuous, but when I started this thread I thought that getting folks' views on what's acceptable to everyone might help defuse the situation, as well as let other new posters get some sense of what the conventions are around here. I had PM'd a couple of people for their take, for what it's worth, and learned that several people had already tried PMing armchair_warrior about the situation to no avail. So I thought about PMing more people for their opinion on really how much bumping is too much, but I wasn't totally comfortable with all the behind-the-scenes talk; to me it seemed sort of sneaky. Saying something publicly seemed more honest to me at the time. But as armchair_warrior continued to dig in his heels and very publicly throw attitude at everyone who tried to get him to cool it, I let my irritation get the better of me and got just as publicly sucked into venting about the behavior that's bugging me and other people.

    Anyway, I think the stuff that annoys so many people about his behavior has now been made abundantly clear so I'll heed your suggestions and back off. As far as I'm concerned, it's up to armchair_warrior to decide whether he's going to cut out the remaining irritating behavior, and up to the mods to figure out what and how much they're willing to put up with.
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