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7th Avenue Meter Maids on a Rampage - Page 2 — Brooklynian

7th Avenue Meter Maids on a Rampage

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  • Or maybe Obama will help you. He's getting ready to solve everything.
  • vidro3 wrote: parking fine revenue is about $500m of a $45 billion budget, fwiw

    Liu Decries 'City Gone Wild With Parking Tickets'
    November 28, 2008


    Councilman John Liu, chair of the Transportation Committee and recent addition to the ever-growing field of 2009 public advocate candidates, issued an outraged statement in response to this morning's Times report on the Bloomberg administration's love of parking tickets.

    "The City is losing credibility trying to justify that issuing all these parking summonses are intended only to keep traffic moving and people safe.The bottom line is that parking ticket revenue has indeed multiplied in just the last few years and will soon approach $1 billion annually."


    http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2008/11/liu-decries-city-gone-wild-wit.html
  • "The most-ticketed block in New York City is 14th Street, between Seventh and Eighth Avenues."

    "Since Mr. Bloomberg took office, the city has hired 793 more traffic enforcement agents and doubled some penalties, collecting 64 percent more in fines in the 2008 fiscal year than it did in 2002. During the last fiscal year, it collected more than $624 million in parking fines — more than the city spends to run the Department of Transportation."

    http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/28/parking-tickets-a-growing-source-of-city-revenue/

    "At a time when an average traffic enforcement agent writes 24 tickets a day, and an energetic one writes 50, Andre T. Strothers blazed an orange trail into the record books last year, writing 227 tickets in just one five-hour tour of Brooklyn in his city vehicle."

    “I wrote them up in the car, out the car and leaning on the car,” he said of the method that enabled him to set the record on Nov. 23, 2007, for the most tickets in a shift.

    Indeed, Mr. Strothers issued nearly a ticket a minute during his tour — 59 in his last 59 minutes on duty — and 34 times wrote two tickets within the same minute, a pace that far exceeded the Police Department’s most optimistic projections.

    “An agent may produce up to 120 tickets per shift,” police officials said several years ago in soliciting bids for a computerized handheld ticket-writing device. They hoped to find a machine capable of generating 200 tickets in a 10-hour period.

    In Mr. Strothers, they found a man who bested that number, and did it in half the time, twice depleting the batteries in the device he used.

    “I’m not scared of writing people up,” said Mr. Strothers, 23, who left his ticket-writing position in June to train as an emergency medical technician but is now looking to be rehired.

    Level One traffic agents like Mr. Strothers earn less than $30,000 a year. They are often harassed — or worse — by motorists, a reaction common enough to prompt state lawmakers to pass a law this year that made it a felony to assault a traffic agent.

    So what motivates an agent to perform so far above the norm?

    “I’m one of those rare people who loved the job,” Mr. Strothers said.

    Though Mr. Strothers earned an extra $12,000 in overtime last year, he said he was not aware of any policy that has supervisors steering overtime to their best producers. He said his only rewards from the city were a pat on the back and the assignment of a new Chevy Impala for his patrols.

    Chief Michael Collins, a police spokesman, said, “All agents are eligible for overtime.”

    Unlike in the old days of written tickets, agents using the handheld devices now scan data off a vehicle’s registration sticker. But they still must use a stylus to enter up to seven screens of information on the violation.

    Marvin Robbins, a union delegate for Local 983 of District Council 37, which covers traffic agents who drive tow trucks, said that while supervisors never dictate ticket quotas, agents who want to patrol in a car, instead of on foot, had better issue 40 tickets or more each shift.

    Could an agent looking to make that number write two tickets within a minute?

    “No, impossible,” Mr. Robbins said. “I don’t see anybody doing two tickets a minute.”

    Told that an agent had done it 34 times in one day, Mr. Robbins said it might be possible “if all the information is there and you’re only changing the plate and if the next vehicle is in line.”

    Mr. Strothers said it was clearly possible to write two tickets a minute.

    What about three?

    “It can be done,” he said.

    Actually, Mr. Strothers said he easily could have written more tickets — perhaps 300 — on his record-setting tour.

    “I didn’t try that hard,” he said, noting that he did not even bother to ticket at expired meters that day, the day after Thanksgiving, which was the most-ticketed day of the year. People assume it is a holiday, Mr. Strothers said, and even he was so stunned at the number of illegally parked cars he had to call the office to make sure he could issue tickets.

    Mr. Strothers began his record-setting day at 7:50 a.m., using his handheld ticket writer to cite an Acura in a no-parking zone.

    The O’Neil printer on his belt spat out a $60 summons, and he tucked it into an orange envelope and stuck it under the windshield wiper.

    The car was also missing an inspection sticker, and he zapped it with a second ticket, for $65, one minute later.

    Over the next five hours and nine minutes, city records showed, he issued 225 more parking tickets — an average of almost one a minute. Then, he said, “I took a break.”

    Most of the tickets, 206, were for violating alternate side of the street parking regulations.

    Mr. Strothers said he honored a five-minute grace period before issuing tickets at the expiration of legal parking, a discretionary leniency that once was city policy. But the records show that 20 of his tickets were written within two minutes of the time when cars had to switch sides of the street. That kind of exactitude — the aggrieved would call it zealotry — has led to hot words between motorists and the people who write tickets. But not in Mr. Strothers’s case.

    “I know how to talk to people and explain what I did, while they may not like it,” he said.

    On his record-setting day, when he holstered his ticket writer at 1 p.m., Mr. Strothers still had more than an hour left in his shift and he had enriched the city’s coffers by $10,670 (assuming all fines were paid in full). None of this productivity came at the expense of his integrity, Mr. Strothers said. He had set a record, yes, but not by cheating.

    “It’s so easy to write a real ticket,” he said. “Why fake it?”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/28/nyregion/28agent.html?ref=nyregion
  • Mpmav1 wrote: [quote=Jamzer]Its sort of like the concept around cigarette taxes. The city raises oodles of money from people who smoke. They claim they do it to reduce smoking. But what if everyone stopped smoking? How would they replace the lost revenue?
    With the money saved in not having to pay for medical expenses for individuals who smoke.
    Nah. The government actually makes a profit on smokers. The extra medical expenses from smoking-related illness are more than compensated by the tax revenue and the shorter life span (thus shorter time collecting Social Security and being covered by Medicare).

    Still, complaining that if people stop smoking the tax revenue will run dry never made sense to me. Getting people to stop smoking is a public good. The revenue can always be raised elsewhere. In the meantime, having a high tax on tobacco raises revenue while hopefully deterring some people from smoking. Win-win.

    Likewise, if the city can raise money during tough economic times by ticketing people who not only insist on having a car in the city but feel entitled to double park or park in the crosswalk as well, I say again, win-win. Hopefully, some people may get rid of their cars or obey the traffic and parking laws. In the meantime, it means lower income, sales and property taxes for everyone who doesn't have a car (as well as for everyone who does).
  • eggcream wrote: [quote=vidro3]parking fine revenue is about $500m of a $45 billion budget, fwiw

    Liu Decries 'City Gone Wild With Parking Tickets'
    November 28, 2008


    Councilman John Liu, chair of the Transportation Committee and recent addition to the ever-growing field of 2009 public advocate candidates, issued an outraged statement in response to this morning's Times report on the Bloomberg administration's love of parking tickets.

    "The City is losing credibility trying to justify that issuing all these parking summonses are intended only to keep traffic moving and people safe.The bottom line is that parking ticket revenue has indeed multiplied in just the last few years and will soon approach $1 billion annually."


    http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2008/11/liu-decries-city-gone-wild-wit.html

    yea i was wrong, it's $624Million of a $59Billion budget.

    meh.
  • hey, i have no problem with laws being enforced. my problem is that sometimes there are grey areas (loading zones, for example, where i've been ticketed as being on the "sidewalk"). plus, i believe one of those articles shows that the clocks on the meters are not always correct, which basically invalidates your ticket.

    i, however, have a license plate that very often reads incorrectly on the little scanner device... wrong license plate also invalidates tickets.

    and unless you're doing something hideous, like blocking fire hydrants or ramps, there is NO REASON for the over-zealous meter maids to slap those green stickers on the car. it's just mean.
  • eggcream wrote: "The most-ticketed block in New York City is 14th Street, between Seventh and Eighth Avenues."

    "Since Mr. Bloomberg took office, the city has hired 793 more traffic enforcement agents and doubled some penalties, collecting 64 percent more in fines in the 2008 fiscal year than it did in 2002. During the last fiscal year, it collected more than $624 million in parking fines — more than the city spends to run the Department of Transportation."

    http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/28/parking-tickets-a-growing-source-of-city-revenue/

    "At a time when an average traffic enforcement agent writes 24 tickets a day, and an energetic one writes 50, Andre T. Strothers blazed an orange trail into the record books last year, writing 227 tickets in just one five-hour tour of Brooklyn in his city vehicle."
    Mr. Strothers should be given a medal and the city should hire 50 more people just like him. While the city is at it, they should double or triple the number of traffic cameras and automatically ticket people for running red lights and speeding. Those damn car service cars go down my block doing 50 mph. I am sure the city could raise a lot of money this way. I don't even care if I get a tax cut - put the money towards schools or parks.
  • I wish they would start ticketing all the alt-side double parkers. Millions to be made for doing something simple as enforcing the law. Win-win situation.
  • Retag wrote: I wish they would start ticketing all the alt-side double parkers. Millions to be made for doing something simple as enforcing the law. Win-win situation.
    Not so win-win.... We would all be driving around in circles for 2 hours once or twice a week. Lots of gas burned, lots of pollution, lots of local gridlock.
  • ringrunner wrote: [quote=Retag]I wish they would start ticketing all the alt-side double parkers. Millions to be made for doing something simple as enforcing the law. Win-win situation.
    Not so win-win.... We would all be driving around in circles for 2 hours once or twice a week. Lots of gas burned, lots of pollution, lots of local gridlock.

    or eventually 50% of people would give up their cars
  • vidro3 wrote:

    or eventually 50% of people would give up their cars
    Doubtful. I have heard of many people in our lovely neighborhood, many of whom don't even bother to move their cars for alternate side, who consider regular parking tickets to be simply another tax for living in the city. I particularly remember hearing one north Slope resident bragging about how she pays several thousands of dollars a year in parking tickets for her Audi station wagon.

    If multi-million dollar rises in property value, astronomical rents, high taxes, price-gouging 'gourmet' grocers, etc., haven't forced our fellow Slopers to reassess their priorities, I seriously doubt a few dozen more parking tickets will make them give up their imported station wagons. Remember, we're talking about a group of people who will pay any amount of money necessary to live the superficial 'lifestyle' they have envisioned.
  • spending a few thousand dollars on tickets a year is just fucking stupid. You can hire somebody to move your car for ASS parking for a lot less $
  • Flexichick wrote: spending a few thousand dollars on tickets a year is just fucking stupid. You can hire somebody to move your car for ASS parking for a lot less $
    It is pretty stupid...although getting a ticket once a week might be cheaper than paying for garage space...probably not by much.
  • I bet you could pay an enterprising young adult or neighbor $15-20 per move and spend much less than a garage or tickets
  • Obamanut wrote: [quote=vidro3]

    or eventually 50% of people would give up their cars
    Doubtful. I have heard of many people in our lovely neighborhood, many of whom don't even bother to move their cars for alternate side, who consider regular parking tickets to be simply another tax for living in the city. I particularly remember hearing one north Slope resident bragging about how she pays several thousands of dollars a year in parking tickets for her Audi station wagon.

    If multi-million dollar rises in property value, astronomical rents, high taxes, price-gouging 'gourmet' grocers, etc., haven't forced our fellow Slopers to reassess their priorities, I seriously doubt a few dozen more parking tickets will make them give up their imported station wagons. Remember, we're talking about a group of people who will pay any amount of money necessary to live the superficial 'lifestyle' they have envisioned.

    So having a car and living in Park Slope is living superficial lifestyle?
  • They are allowed to double park. I say ticket bike riders who never obey the rules. Make them have a license plate on their
    bikes and ticket them for going the wrong way, going through red lights etc.
    Retag wrote: I wish they would start ticketing all the alt-side double parkers. Millions to be made for doing something simple as enforcing the law. Win-win situation.
  • Kramer. I doubt that story anyway. Their car would be covered in those sanitation stickers.
    Flexichick wrote: I bet you could pay an enterprising young adult or neighbor $15-20 per move and spend much less than a garage or tickets
  • Today on Carroll St and 7th Ave. Tomorrow they repave and Thursday they film "Ugly Betty".

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  • eggcream wrote: Kramer. I doubt that story anyway. Their car would be covered in those sanitation stickers.

    [quote=Flexichick]I bet you could pay an enterprising young adult or neighbor $15-20 per move and spend much less than a garage or tickets
    Nah. First sticker = no more money for car mover.
  • eggcream wrote: Kramer. I doubt that story anyway. Their car would be covered in those sanitation stickers.

    [quote=Flexichick]I bet you could pay an enterprising young adult or neighbor $15-20 per move and spend much less than a garage or tickets
    lmao, right, now I'm making stuff up.

    Whatever it takes to perpetuate your reality. :lol:
  • eggcream wrote:
    So having a car and living in Park Slope is living superficial lifestyle?
    Precisely, it's that simple.

    Seriously though, trying to explain the entire concept to the average Park Sloper is like trying to explain to the average Jonestowner why they should stay away from the Kool-Aid.
  • arches wrote: [quote=Flexichick]spending a few thousand dollars on tickets a year is just fucking stupid. You can hire somebody to move your car for ASS parking for a lot less $
    It is pretty stupid...although getting a ticket once a week might be cheaper than paying for garage space...probably not by much.

    actually, i believe it's a whole lot cheaper... tickets are what, $35? $45? spots per month are $300+? that's a no-brainer
  • street cleaning tickets are $45 BUT they can technically tow you, which is $45+$185 (towing fee) if you get it the first day. That being said I've banked on a few street cleaning tickets to avoid long-term parking at airports. Its an expensive game to play, but I love my car.
  • they can tow you just for the alt-side violation? or is there are other violations on top?
  • brooklynpotter wrote: they can tow you just for the alt-side violation? or is there are other violations on top?
    I've never heard of someone being towed for alternate-side.

    Matter of fact, outside of the marshal, etc., coming to get you for owing money on unpaid tickets, I can probably count on one hand how many times in 30+ years I've seen/heard of anyone getting towed in residential Brooklyn, period.

    Manhattan, of course, is a far different story.
  • Obamanut wrote: [quote=brooklynpotter]they can tow you just for the alt-side violation? or is there are other violations on top?
    I've never heard of someone being towed for alternate-side.

    Matter of fact, outside of the marshal, etc., coming to get you for owing money on unpaid tickets, I can probably count on one hand how many times in 30+ years I've seen/heard of anyone getting towed in residential Brooklyn, period.

    Manhattan, of course, is a far different story.

    I watched the neighbor's car for 5 days as she was in Europe.

    Day 2: someone broken in and stole CD player and cds
    Day 4: got a ticket at 9:30 am for blocking a divot in the sidewalk in the middle of the street. To this day I don't understand why it's a no parking area (and of course, it's not marked). At 10:10 am, car got towed. Spent the rest of the day/evening/following day getting proper power of attorney from neighbor, still in Europe, to allow the tow company to release the car to me.

    Something like $500 later... I was happy that I do not own a car in New York.

    I lived in Seattle my whole life and never got towed/ticket/etc.. I had the responsibility of watching a car for 5 days, and this happens! My luck.
  • Subject: double-parking is *never* legal.

    Double-parking is never legal, even for alternate-side. The NYPD is simply looking the other way. Don't believe me? Read the city codes - there's no exception for alternate-side double-parking (ASDP). The city/NYPD effectively accept it as a necessary evil to keep the streets clean.

    Agents have all the discretion here. I once got a ticket in Cobble Hill for ASDP because I hadn't left my phone # in my front window (a common courtesy, heavily enforced in CH, apparently). Agents ticketed entire blocks on the UWS a couple of years ago for a few days (end of month quotas, perhaps?), causing a near-revolution among the yuppie/entitlement class.

    In the end, if you don't like the ticket you got, fight it. Otherwise, consider it part of the cost of enjoying a luxury in NYC. Nothing is free in this town, and that goes double for car ownership.
    eggcream wrote: They are allowed to double park. I say ticket bike riders who never obey the rules. Make them have a license plate on their
    bikes and ticket them for going the wrong way, going through red lights etc.


    [quote=Retag]I wish they would start ticketing all the alt-side double parkers. Millions to be made for doing something simple as enforcing the law. Win-win situation.
  • Obamanut wrote: [quote=brooklynpotter]they can tow you just for the alt-side violation? or is there are other violations on top?
    I've never heard of someone being towed for alternate-side.

    Matter of fact, outside of the marshal, etc., coming to get you for owing money on unpaid tickets, I can probably count on one hand how many times in 30+ years I've seen/heard of anyone getting towed in residential Brooklyn, period.

    Manhattan, of course, is a far different story.

    My neighbor was towed for alt-side violations. The street was blocked, and it was easier for them to move her car than the one that was double parked across from her.

    A friend in Boerum Hill says they do it all the time there too. There is a very aggressive towing company that is happy to assist.
  • i've heard that tickets in different parts of the city are different amounts--same violation, lower or higher prices. don't know if this is true.
  • I have never heard of anyone being towed for not moving during street cleaning, but I know that ANY offense is technically tow-able in the city (expired meter, whatever.) I myself have been towed one minute after street cleaning "period" was over and I was double parked (my ticket was literally at 11:01) I've been towed 4 times in a year for a variety of things (including parking in an unmarked "crosswalk" in the middle of a block...don't even ask me how) but I <3 my car as I said and am willing to stupidly pay out the ass to keep it apparently.
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