Holiday Trees In The Slope
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[quote=Mamacita]Don't hate, embrace!
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Subject: Re: Holiday Trees In The Slope
twhalliii wrote: Hi all,
After a week of traveling for Thanksgiving, my family will be back home in the Slope on Sunday night. We have decided to get our first ever tree for the holidays and we want a real tree;...
Tom
This might start a flame war....
but do you mind saying WHICH holiday you are talking about? Consider me ignorant as I simply cannot remember which holiday around the December month would warrant a tree to trim and decorate.
It puzzles me so
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Subject: Re: Holiday Trees In The Slope
hitokiri wrote:
Hee - Yes, I'm offended by the assumptions of so many contributors on here that the original poster was looking for a Christmas tree when they obviously went out of their way to say "Holiday tree." What about the grand old tradition of a Hanukkah bush?! I personally have many fond memories of trimming my family's Kwanzaa shrub with tinsel and lights.
This might start a flame war....
but do you mind saying WHICH holiday you are talking about? Consider me ignorant as I simply cannot remember which holiday around the December month would warrant a tree to trim and decorate.
It puzzles me so
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lol
im sorry... Hanukkah bush just sounds so dirty to me and my filthy mind. I promise to try to get it out of the gutter ;p -
I am going to say that transplant is being facetious here.
I have never known one Jewish family to have a Hanukah bush. I guess "holiday tree" is just the latest way to show how cool and "PC" you are :roll: -
i get annoyed when they call a Christmas tree a holiday tree because no one ever says the "holiday candles" for Hanukkah and the like. Christmas seems singled out.
Now all the stores have "holiday sales" but for every other holiday sale, the holiday is NAMED.
Whats so wrong about calling the tree a CHRISTMAS tree? How about calling Christmas....oh, I dont know... CHRISTMAS?!
Happy holidays? Oh cmon. If you dont want to call it by name, take it the whole 9 yards and work during that day.
It really is an "attack on christmas" when it's the only holiday getting the PC treatment. -
i was once told that the folks selling trees outside the key food on 5th avenue and prospect (or maybe a block closer to flatbush) are from vermont. even if they're not, they have a great selection.
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Are any of the tree lots open during the week? Either in the evening, or during the day? Seems most are only weekends and I'd like to grab mine before that. No time this weekend.
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it's like everyone totally ignores that part of the gospels when jesus untangles the tinsel.
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hitokiri wrote: i get annoyed when they call a Christmas tree a holiday tree because no one ever says the "holiday candles" for Hanukkah and the like. Christmas seems singled out.
If you're so concerned about "keepin' it Christian" why not go the whole 9 yards and ditch the tree and presents, since they're pagan Winter Solstice traditions that have nothing to do with Christmas.
Now all the stores have "holiday sales" but for every other holiday sale, the holiday is NAMED.
Whats so wrong about calling the tree a CHRISTMAS tree? How about calling Christmas....oh, I dont know... CHRISTMAS?!
Happy holidays? Oh cmon. If you dont want to call it by name, take it the whole 9 yards and work during that day.
It really is an "attack on christmas" when it's the only holiday getting the PC treatment. -
nah, more like people ignore that it is the CHRISTMAS holiday and not what you do to a tree. However you celebrate, whatever the tradition, the fact remains that Christmas is the holiday celebrated and for some reason, is singled out and PC'ed into "Happy Holidays"
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I should know better than to get sucked into this, especially sober, but...
I don't care if people say Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays. Or if they're considered Holiday Sales or Christmas Sales. I mean, there is more than one holiday this time of year, so I'm not offended by either.
However, it's a Christmas tree. As far as I know, this tree has always been associated with Christmas, and not any other holiday. Maybe I'm overly sensitive, but it's PC crap like this that really upsets me. -
100% agreed! I can understand the happy holidays and the holiday sales. but, give me a break on calling it a holiday tree, it's a Christmas tree, no one is buying one for labor day!
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AMEN! no need to dance around the subject. I'm going to buy me an Xmas tree. And yes, Hanukkah bush does sound rather dirty.
anyway, back to tree sales, on my way to Dram Shoppe the other day, I stopped by CVS tree guy to inquire about their 3-4 footer. I know I'm not buying from him. I was just curious.
FORTY DOLLARS was his reply. FORTY!?!? I know you can usually haggle them down, but MY GOD! that's more than 10 bux a foot.
I will wait until next weekend. I heard that some vermonters are coming to set up shop at Our Lady's Field on 16th street and PPW. -
I just bought a new hot pink ornament for my drag queen christmas tree! mama, wanna come over and drink wine with me while we stare at its pinkness??
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Ooooo! Hells Bells Yeah I do!! But I have dinner plans tonight :-(
I loves a girly girl tree. -
The tree, originally a pagan tradition, was co-opted by Christians for their holiday. Today, things have come full circle, and decorating a tree and exchanging presents during the holiday season is a secular tradition that people of all backgrounds enjoy. If you're Christian and it's important to you to call it a Christmas tree, then by all means do so, but don't tell other people what to call it. It's the height of arrogance to assume that everyone buying a tree during the holidays in New York City in 2008 is Christian, rather than atheist, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, Ba'han, Jain, Taoist or whatever. You don't have to believe that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree in order to enjoy decorating a tree during the holidays.
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I have no room for a real festivus tree, I may purchase a silver tabletop one and string 4 packages of blinking lights on it in and stick it in the window in front of my blackout shade. My neighbors will love it.
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Carmen wrote: I have no room for a real festivus tree, I may purchase a silver tabletop one and string 4 packages of blinking lights on it in and stick it in the window in front of my blackout shade. My neighbors will love it.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Festivus traditionally celebrated with an unadorned aluminum pole? -
Carnivore wrote: [quote=Carmen]I have no room for a real festivus tree, I may purchase a silver tabletop one and string 4 packages of blinking lights on it in and stick it in the window in front of my blackout shade. My neighbors will love it.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Festivus traditionally celebrated with an unadorned aluminum pole?
Consider yourself corrected- Festivus gets whatever the hell I feel like and said decoration stays up until a little after easter, which (in my house) is the traditional (and, this year, 6th annual) Mexican Easter celebration. Ole! -
I don't give a crap if Jews, Muslims, atheists, or whoever puts a tree up in their house, but that tree is a Christmas tree. If that isn't acceptable, than let's go all out and call a Menorah 'Holiday Candles' and Ramadan a Holiday Diet.
I knew I shouldn't have gotten into this. Sigh. -
anthonycm wrote: I don't give a crap if Jews, Muslims, atheists, or whoever puts a tree up in their house, but that tree is a Christmas tree. If that isn't acceptable, than let's go all out and call a Menorah 'Holiday Candles' and Ramadan a Holiday Diet.
How many non-Jews are lighting a menorah or non-Muslims are fasting for Ramadan?
I knew I shouldn't have gotten into this. Sigh.
Religion is boring, so Christians appropriated the fun pagan stuff to surround the boring shit that is what the holiday is really about. Now it's been appropriated back because everyone else wants the fun shit too. Don't worry, the Jews, Muslims, atheists, or whoever aren't going to sneak into your midnight mass and call it a "holiday mass".
Get it through your head. Trees around the winter solstice are a pagan tradition- there is nothing in the bible about Christmas trees. Again, you can call your own tree whatever you want, but you cross the line when you tell other people what to call theirs. -
Okay, so we're just going to have to disagree on this one. I'm sure I'll come up with a perfectly good argument for my case around 2 a.m., but won't be on-line then (or a perfectly irrational argument for my case when I'm drunk, and unfortunately WILL be on-line then).
So, we have 'Holiday' and 'Christmas' trees. Buy yours at the Holiday Tree stand. Anyone know where there's a Christmas Tree stand with good/reasonably priced trees around Grand Army Plaza? -
i agree with carnivore about a religious subject. check it out folks: you will likely never see this in action again.
as for "happy holidays", in my bible belt childhood i heard this all the time, including at religious school. christmas and new years. one week apart. include hannukah or kwanza if you like -- no reason at all christians can't celebrate hannukah, and i know many who do.
don't know why o'reilly got his knickers in a twist on this. oh, yes i do: ratings. -
oh, except: carny, i do know non-jews who light menorahs. why not? a miracle's a miracle: the new covenant doesn't say old miracles don't count.
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Carnivore wrote: You don't have to believe that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree in order to enjoy decorating a tree during the holidays.
Carnivore, I'm officially in love with you. Cosmic Jewish Zombie ;-) That would make for a good video game character. Resident Evil 5: Home for the Holidays.
Oh, and FWIW, my family had X-mass trees growing up. We jokingly called them Chanakuah trees, but we bought "Christmas ornaments" for them (no crosses or anything though). I don't care what people call it, but I do like the time off from work ;-) -
kosherdave wrote: Carnivore, I'm officially in love with you. Cosmic Jewish Zombie ;-) That would make for a good video game character. Resident Evil 5: Home for the Holidays.
I wish I could take credit, but that phrase is a long-running meme from digg.
Just google or google image search "cosmic Jewish zombie". -
BostonConvert wrote: Are any of the tree lots open during the week? Either in the evening, or during the day? Seems most are only weekends and I'd like to grab mine before that. No time this weekend.
The guy outside CVS on 9th st is out during the week/day. -
anthonycm wrote: I don't give a crap if Jews, Muslims, atheists, or whoever puts a tree up in their house, but that tree is a Christmas tree. If that isn't acceptable, than let's go all out and call a Menorah 'Holiday Candles' and Ramadan a Holiday Diet.
Of course it's called a Christmas tree. No matter who puts it up, it's still called a Christmas Tree.
I knew I shouldn't have gotten into this. Sigh. -
Carnivore wrote: The tree, originally a pagan tradition, was co-opted by Christians for their holiday. Today, things have come full circle, and decorating a tree and exchanging presents during the holiday season is a secular tradition that people of all backgrounds enjoy. If you're Christian and it's important to you to call it a Christmas tree, then by all means do so, but don't tell other people what to call it. It's the height of arrogance to assume that everyone buying a tree during the holidays in New York City in 2008 is Christian, rather than atheist, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, Ba'han, Jain, Taoist or whatever. You don't have to believe that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree in order to enjoy decorating a tree during the holidays.
How insulting in so many ways!
Anyway, no one said everybody buying one is Christian, but, it is still a Christmas tree, since, traditionally, that is the holiday this time of year that has a tree as the main decoration.
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