Holiday Trees In The Slope

Agreed.

Will Voodoo be there? :P

It's like arguing with a brick wall. He needs to pick up his crayons and go home. Exactly correct, you don't need to be a Christian to have a Christmas Tree but it doesn't give you the right to change what has been called a Christmas Tree for over a hundred years. The arrogance of some is amazing. Hell, a hundred years from now, even present time, some will say who the heck gave the Gays the right to use the Rainbow as their symbol.

Besides, O Holiday Tree O Holiday Tree just doesn't cut it.

anthonycm wrote: So, if I get a Menorah, and call it a Menorah instead of Holiday Candles, does that make me Jewish? I don't think so. I'm saying that my belief is that it's called a Christmas Tree, whether you're Christian or not. Hey, you and I disagree with that. Big deal. We probably disagree on a few other things, too. However, I did not come on here and purposely insult (or mock, if you think there's a difference) someone else's faith.

eggcream wrote: It's like arguing with a brick wall. He needs to pick up his crayons and go home. Exactly correct, you don't need to be a Christian to have a Christmas Tree but it doesn't give you the right to change what has been called a Christmas Tree for over a hundred years. The arrogance of some is amazing. Hell, a hundred years from now, even present time, some will say who the heck gave the Gays the right to use the Rainbow as their symbol.

Besides, O Holiday Tree O Holiday Tree just doesn't cut it.

No one's changing anything. Christians still have Christmas trees in their homes. The arrogant one is the one who thinks he can dictate what people should call the tree that they put in their own home for their own reasons.

Talk about a brick wall... :roll:

Carnivore wrote: [quote=LongTimeSloper]How does calling it a Christmas tree honor my Lord? It is just the proper name for it is all.

It's not the proper name for a tree for someone who isn't celebrating Christmas. And if you don't understand how calling it that honors your lord, you clearly don't understand the etymology of the name of your holiday.

LongTimeSloper wrote: And, these secular people who have trees in their home-what holiday are they celebrating? Are you telling me that they aren't opening presents on Christmas? Somehow all these secular people you know who have trees in their home-they are celebrating some other holiday on Dec. 25th?

Secular people are enjoying the pagan traditions of the tree and presents just like Christians are. I am no more celebrating Christmas by having a tree than you are celebrating the traditional pagan holiday of the winter solstice.

LongTimeSloper wrote: BTW, and this isn't just a comment about this board. But, I love how in general it is ok for someone to openly bash Christianity on a message board, but, if someone was making comments about any other major religion such as Carnivore here has, the subject would be shut down in 2 seconds.

No one has bashed Christianity. Please- you have total hegemony in this country. No one can run for President without paying lip service to your god. Every morning, children are forced to say that our nation is under your god while pledging allegiance, and it even says "In God We Trust" on our fucking money. But someone doesn't want to celebrate your holiday while doing some of the fun seasonal stuff like having a tree and exchanging presents and you get your panties in a twist.

80% of Americans call themselves Christians, America was founded on Christianity. Repeatedly telling yourself it's not a Christmas Tree doesn't change the fact.

eggcream wrote: 80% of Americans call themselves Christians, America was founded on Christianity. Repeatedly telling yourself it's not a Christmas Tree doesn't change the fact.

No. America was founded on freedom of religion and separation of church and state.

The Christian Nation Myth

LongTimeSloper wrote: No, I am sorry, you cannot guarantee me anything. I have plenty of Jewish family and I can think of a few of them who would be offended. The only thing you can guarantee me is that YOU wouldn't take offense, there is no way in the world you can speak for every Jewish person out there.

This had already been addressed. Are you actually reading this thread?

I seriously doubt many Jewish people out there are thin-skinned enough to care if a non-Jew called a menorah that they used in their home a candelabra. Ask your Jewish family members.

LongTimeSloper wrote: Yes, i am reading this thread and yes, i saw your comment, I still wished to comment on it myself.

and, I don't need to ask my Jewish family members anything, I, unlike you, actually know them, and know that some of them would be offended. i love how you doubt there are any Jewish people out there thin skinned enough to care. Again, how in the world would you know? you can only speak for yourself and people you actually know, not Jewish people as a whole.

I guess we'll have to wait for the yet-to-materialize hordes of goyim that enjoy lighting a candelabra during Channukah to find out for certain. I'm willing to give odds that there won't be any public outcry.

See, you all just need to get a festivus pole and call it a day.

transplant wrote:
And I don't want to hear about early Christian stealing the Christmas tree from pagans. That occured hundreds and hundreds of years ago, more than long enough for the Christmas tree to have become readily identified as a Christian symbol.

You don't want to hear about it because its the exact arguement you're using or because you know your arguement is baseless?

How long does something have to go on for it to become a tradition? When does it become legitimate in its own right? My in-laws have had put trees in their home this time of year for at least 5 generations, across 2 continents, and through 2 sides of their family. They are jews. Clearly, longtimesloper, you can't speak for all jews either.

tajmb wrote: How long does something have to go on for it to become a tradition? When does it become legitimate in its own right? My in-laws have had put trees in their home this time of year for at least 5 generations, across 2 continents, and through 2 sides of their family. They are jews. Clearly, longtimesloper, you can't speak for all jews either.

Yeah, the difference here is that I never said i did speak for all jewish people, I was only speaking for people I personally knew. Also, i never said that there aren't jewish people putting up Christmas trees (that wasn't even the discussion, are you reading the thread?), I know there are.

I was referring to Carnivore's comment that if a non Jew put up a menorah and called it a candleabra that not one Jewish person in the world would take offense to that.

BTW, what do your Jewish in laws call the tree they put up in their home every year? Just curious here.

anthonycm wrote: What annoys me isn't who 'owns' the right to naming the tree. Hey, the pagans had a bad marketing team. Next time they'll do better. The point is that it's traditionally, for the past 100+ years or more, been called a Christmas tree. It seems to only be changing due to the PC forces out there that declare it must now have a non-secular name due to the fact that many non-Christians have it in their homes. I'm not pushing my religious beliefs, but I am pushing against all the PC crap that is often as over the top anti-Christian as some religious zealots are over the top pro-Christian.

I'm sure there's a South Park episode in here somewhere (cue someone posting a clip of Mr. Hankey).

No one is trying to change the name of your Christmas tree. It's just that not all trees decorated at this time of year are Christmas trees.

Maybe if I make a simple series of equations, it will make it easier to understand:

no Christ=no Christmas

tree + Christ = Christmas tree

tree + no Christ = no Christmas tree

since no Christ = no Christmas,
tree + no Christmas = no Christmas tree

subtract "no Christmas" from both sides...

tree=tree

transplant wrote:
It's not an issue of whether Christians are thin-skinned or not, it's a question of non-Christians basically taking what is quite obviously a Christian tradtion, the Christmas tree, and going out of their way to steal that tradition. If you want to put up a fir tree in your home, decorate it, and put presents under it during December, then it's a Christmas tree.

THANK YOU!
+1

edit:
i quoted the wrong guy before lol