Holiday Trees In The Slope
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scarlett wrote: O Holiday Pole, how long and hard your shaft is!!!!!!!! I love to stroke you gently...........
Damn, and here I was not reading this thread because I thought it was about xmas trees!
Canivore, you've gotta abandon you indictment of christmas and appreciate the holiday for what it has become [Daver, this is your cue to insert cat photo with santa hat]
Carnivore, can you get a picture of bacon sticking out of stocking hung by the fire?
...jeeze, you people are slacking. -
i want go back a few pages and find out why beaverhausen named her tree after my cat harriet
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mama, thanks.
Canivore, put some bacon in the cats mouth (ala EM's poor Spongebob) and this thread is complete. -
whynot_31 wrote: Canivore, you've gotta abandon you indictment of christmas and appreciate the holiday for what it has become [Daver, this is your cue to insert cat photo with santa hat]
I haven't "indicted" Christmas at all. All I've said is that non-Christians who observe many of the pagan traditions now associated with Christmas, like decorating a tree, need not call them Christmas traditions or Christmas trees. For some reason, many of the posters here feel the need to tell non-Christians what to call their tree.
Carnivore, can you get a picture of bacon sticking out of stocking hung by the fire?
...jeeze, you people are slacking. -
modsquad wrote: [quote=Carnivore][quote=hitokiri]First off, the bible is never meant to be taken literally.
I think you'll find many of your fellow Christians disagree with you on that.
Very few Christians take the Bible literally. That is a lazy man's argument in order to equate Christians with other fanatical elements of other religions. Some aspects of Islam comes to mind.
Enough of them did to pass Prop 8 in California. -
i'm non-christian. i just call it a tree. as in, "hey, bigguy, when the vermont guy comes can we go get our tree?"
i don't think i have ever used the word christmas in referring to said tree -
I'm going to start calling it a "remember that stupid thread on brooklynian?" tree. Also known as the RTSTOB Tree
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Carnivore wrote: [quote=modsquad][quote=Carnivore][quote=hitokiri]First off, the bible is never meant to be taken literally.
I think you'll find many of your fellow Christians disagree with you on that.
Very few Christians take the Bible literally. That is a lazy man's argument in order to equate Christians with other fanatical elements of other religions. Some aspects of Islam comes to mind.
Enough of them did to pass Prop 8 in California.
I don't see the connection? Your need to villianize an entire religion because of prop 8 is laughable. Supporters even said they voted for it because they were confused. You are also presuming the only reason somebody could hate a gay person is because they're Christian? You wish to condemn an entire religion because of the crazy Mormons? Isn't that like inditing Islam because of the Taliban. -
modsquad wrote: I don't see the connection? Your need to villianize an entire religion because of prop 8 is laughable. Supporters even said they voted for it because they were confused. You are also presuming the only reason somebody could hate a gay person is because they're Christian? You wish to condemn an entire religion because of the crazy Mormons? Isn't that like inditing Islam because of the Taliban.
Who is villainizing or condemning anyone? Enough with the hyperbole!
You said that Christians don't actually take the bible literally, but taking the bible liberally has been behind most of the public campaign for Prop 8, which was primarily conducted by Christians, including the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Those are simple facts, and has nothing to do with equating Islam with the Taliban.
Look at the Pro-Prop 8 literature:
http://protectmarriage.com/resources
It's all primarily based convincing religious people that the literal word of the bible supports their position. -
Latter day saints are mormons and I shudder to ever have them uttered in the same sentence as christianity. Carny please don't group us, it's just so not cool.
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Mamacita wrote: Latter day saints are mormons and I shudder to ever have them uttered in the same sentence as christianity. Carny please don't group us, it's just so not cool.
Like it or not, Mormons are Christians. Just ask them.
I'm not saying they speak for all Christians, but they are a Christian sect and there are over 5 million of them in the U.S., so they're not a minor sect either. -
Man, I'm catholic, not practicing. Do not like the mormons beliefs, even though I loved my mormon BF. And my family is die hard catholics and opposed Prop 8. You can hold some of your religions beliefs and not others. Plenty of catholics opposed 8. I know many in my community.
Anyways, this thread has become crazy. You should all fight it out at festivus, period. -
Pull up a hundred web sites, it doesn't matter. You said
I think you'll find many of your fellow Christians disagree with you on that.
Correct me, but you are implying, if not a majority, a pretty big segment. I'm saying that is false. There are "many" churches around this country that not only accept but are proud of their gay congregations.Like it or not, Mormons are Christians. Just ask them.
Yet you don't equate the Taliban with Islam? -
Mamacita wrote: Man, I'm catholic, not practicing. Do not like the mormons beliefs, even though I loved my mormon BF. And my family is die hard catholics and opposed Prop 8. You can hold some of your religions beliefs and not others. Plenty of catholics opposed 8. I know many in my community.
I wouldn't contradict anything you've said, Mama. No one said all Catholics or any other group supported Prop 8. I just said that literal interpretation of the bible motivated a large number of those who supported it.
Anyways, this thread has become crazy. You should all fight it out at festivus, period. -
modsquad wrote: Pull up a hundred web sites, it doesn't matter. You said
Nope. I don't equate them. The Taliban are Muslim, but not all Muslims are Taliban.I think you'll find many of your fellow Christians disagree with you on that.
Correct me, but you are implying, if not a majority, a pretty big segment. I'm saying that is false. There are "many" churches around this country that not only accept but are proud of their gay congregations.Like it or not, Mormons are Christians. Just ask them.
Yet you don't equate the Taliban with Islam?
Mormons are Christian. Not all Christians are Mormon.
That's just basic logic, dude.
Also, "many" =/= "majority".
Majority is your word. You're arguing against a position I didn't take. Many Christians believe in the literal word of the bible. This is fact. Undoubtedly, there are also many who do not. There is no contradiction there. -
Correct me, but you are implying, if not a majority, a pretty big segment. I'm saying that is false. There are "many" churches around this country that not only accept but are proud of their gay congregations.
Ah... I didn't say you said majority lamb chop, I said you are trying to insinuate a pretty big segment with no facts whatsoever. Am I wrong?
majority =/= a pretty big segment -
I'm with whynot. It's time everyone calmed down and had a nice bacon cookie.
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modsquad wrote:
Does a third count as "a pretty big segment?" C'mon, you're splitting hairs here!Correct me, but you are implying, if not a majority, a pretty big segment. I'm saying that is false. There are "many" churches around this country that not only accept but are proud of their gay congregations.
Ah... I didn't say you said majority lamb chop, I said you are trying to insinuate a pretty big segment with no facts whatsoever. Am I wrong?
majority =/= a pretty big segment
From aggregate data from 2005-2007 Gallup polls. -
Try 22%.
Also, (in this graph) If 3/4 of anybody didn't believe in "something" and voted that belief it would be a landslide. Let's face it the other graphs show the more educated people are, the less they believe in a literal translation and it is likely a higher percentage of those people would vote driving down further that "large" segment you profess defeated prop 8. -
To clarify even though 22% of "westerners" believe literately it is unlikely that they vote in a high of a percentage as those who have more education and are more likely to vote.
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modsquad wrote:
You're determined to keep changing your point until you can find something you're right about, aren't you?
Try 22%.
Also, (in this graph) If 3/4 of anybody didn't believe in "something" and voted that belief it would be a landslide. Let's face it the other graphs show the more educated people are, the less they believe in a literal translation and it is likely a higher percentage of those people would vote driving down further that "large" segment you profess defeated prop 8.
So far we have unrebutted:
-Christmas trees were appropriated by Christians from the pagans (watch the History Channel video I posted if you deny this).
-There is a modern day tradition among many non-Christians of decorating trees during December and we commonly do not call these Christmas trees.
-Many people (one third) believe the literal truth of the bible.
Is your main point now that most of the people who voted for Prop 8 do not believe in the literal truth of the bible?
I am willing to concede that point, although I still maintain that those who do were the driving force behind getting it passed. -
modsquad wrote: To clarify even though 22% of "westerners" believe literately it is unlikely that they vote in a high of a percentage as those who have more education and are more likely to vote.
Older people are also more likely to vote and more likely to believe the bible is literally true. I don't think it's valid to parse this by subgroup and make conclusions that way. -
Carnivore wrote:
you have not rebutted:
So far we have unrebutted:
-Christmas trees were appropriated by Christians from the pagans (watch the History Channel video I posted if you deny this).
-There is a modern day tradition among many non-Christians of decorating trees during December and we commonly do not call these Christmas trees.
-Many people (one third) believe the literal truth of the bible.
Is your main point now that most of the people who voted for Prop 8 do not believe in the literal truth of the bible?
I am willing to concede that point, although I still maintain that those who do were the driving force behind getting it passed.
You appropriated lamb chop from Sheri Lewis.
The History Channel indicates the people in Park Slope stared decorating Christmas Trees about, what, 150 years ago? Long pass the last pagan was forced to move out due to gentrification.
You brought up prop 8 in regards to Christianity. You posted a vague graph about Christians in general, I simply narrowed the fact to what the argument was actually about. I will concede that there are many Christians who voted for prop 8 not only because of a literal trans, but because the whole "marriage" thing was repugnant to them like I suspect it was to a lot of casual and agnostic "believers".
Oh.. One more thing, (being a sensitive asshole) I'd like to wish you a Happy Holiday and a Healthy New Year! Do you have a problem with that? -
modsquad wrote: you have not rebutted:
It's a llama. Made by the nimble little fingers of Peruvian children.
You appropriated lamb chop from Sheri Lewis.modsquad wrote: The History Channel indicates the people in Park Slope stared decorating Christmas Trees about, what, 150 years ago? Long pass the last pagan was forced to move out due to gentrification.
I beg to differ...
http://pagan.meetup.com/360/messages/192383/modsquad wrote: You brought up prop 8 in regards to Christianity. You posted a vague graph about Christians in general, I simply narrowed the fact to what the argument was actually about. I will concede that there are many Christians who voted for prop 8 not only because of a literal trans, but because the whole "marriage" thing was repugnant to them like I suspect it was to a lot of casual and agnostic "believers".
This was a major tangent. I think we can both agree that belief in the literal truth of the bible was one of many ugly factors that led this to pass.modsquad wrote: Oh.. One more thing, (being a sensitive asshole) I'd like to wish you a Happy Holiday and a Healthy New Year! Do you have a problem with that?
Not at all! Happy Holiday and Healthy New Year to you too. I hope to celebrate Festivus with you next Friday!
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It's a llama. Made by the nimble little fingers of Peruvian children.
Well......OK (I hope it wasn't child slave labor)I beg to differ...
I concede!
http://pagan.meetup.com/360/messages/192383/This was a major tangent. I think we can both agree that belief in the literal truth of the bible was one of many ugly factors that led this to pass.
Probably true along with many Muslims and practicing Jews. I just resent Christians being singled out for their own stupidity when the others are just as ugly. :santa:
If I get permission to leave the grounds :cheers: -
And now back to our regularly scheduled program...
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Hold on!!!!!! Carni, that's a llama? No, no it's not. It looks nothing like a llama. My family has a billion alpacas and two llamas - a boy and a girl - and I know quite well what they look like. That's not it.
Damn this thread has become like a holiday houseguest that stayed too long, drank all my vodka and ruined my favorite stuff. -
scarlett wrote: Hold on!!!!!! Carni, that's a llama? No, no it's not. It looks nothing like a llama. My family has a billion alpacas and two llamas - a boy and a girl - and I know quite well what they look like. That's not it.
They called it a llama when I bought it in Cuzco. They also had hand-knit alpacas and vicunas.
Damn this thread has become like a holiday houseguest that stayed too long, drank all my vodka and ruined my favorite stuff. -
Huh uh. Llamas don't have that kind of top knot and their snouts are longer and more angular.
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