Stand up for human life!

How did the peace solidarity meeting go?

Next time, can you consider holding a solidarity service that remembers ALL victims of terror, including all of the Israelis who have been targeted and killed by terrorists? While I applaud your efforts, I am not sure I see the point in remembering only SOME of those who have been murdered by terror loving terrorists.

I find your doubts about my sincerity to be odd, maybe even troubling depending on your reasons. So, to restate my point for you, I applaud any service or meeting that seeks to remember those people who have fell victim to terrorism. I just think we should remember everyone who has been killed and targeted by terrorists, not just a few. However, brownstone Jew should be applauded again for doing something. Efort is just that, effort, and that is cool.

EasilyFound,

Then you should have said that in the first place. But it is caddy and rude of you to suggest I am not "genuine."You may not agree with me, but I am certainly genuine. I will explain myself now that you have chosen to be polite and perhaps you can open your mind to other ideas without being rude in response.

It is my view that all terrorism is related. Targeting civilians for political or religious gain is always sick. My friends in Israel deal with rockets coming towards their families all year round. Remembering only some of the people hit by terrorism is a way to forget the many others who faced it or have faced it. Terrorism is either always wrong or it is always right, and I don't want to live in a world where it is okay to target and kill civilians.

Ideally, a memorial service would be to remember all victims of terror to honor those recent victims in India.

You can disagree with that view, but genuine it is!

Dexter wrote: Ideally, a memorial service would be to remember all victims of terror to honor those recent victims in India.

You can disagree with that view, but genuine it is!

I see. You are a bit of a word twister. Go back and read my post. I never disputed that your view, as stated above, was not genuine. What I doubted was whether your applause, for an effort that you criticized, was genuine. I still have my doubts. After all, you called the memorial service a "peace solidarity meeting." Sarcasm goes both ways. Sorry if that was rude.

Also, what exactly would a remembrance for ALL terror victims look like? Who defines what is terror and who are its victim's? Would you include the german civilian population killed in the firebombing of Dresden? The civilian victims of the US atom bombs?

EasilyFound:

I thought it was a peace solidarity meeting? Why is that sarcastic? I just think you got caught in an intolerant moment and are trying to get out of it now by calling me a “word twister.” Remember EasilyFound, not everyone in life is going to agree with you, that doesn’t make such people “word twisters.”

As a Jew, at least, in my Temple growing up, when we remembered the dead, we prayed for all of the dead. When we remembered victims of terror, it was never just the Holocaust or just Israel, it was all terror victims. I remember praying for the Muslims in Bosnia and being proud of Israel for sending the very first supplies and aid to those Muslims facing genocide. I was raised on “Never Again”, not just for Jews, but “Never Again” for all.

You ask, “Who defines what is terror and who are its victim's?” That is easy, we all do. I define it my way and others define it their way.

You ask, “Would you include the german civilian population killed in the firebombing of Dresden? The civilian victims of the US atom bombs?”

I am actually reading several books now on the Pacific campaign in WWII and for the first time in my life, I get why the United States dropped nuclear bombs on Japan. When it was clear to Japan that they had lost the war, they made the tactical decision to fight until the end. They were also working on a nuclear bomb of their own. By most estimates, it would have taken a million American lives or more to end the war with Japan. The Japanese responded to the first nuclear bomb by continuing to fight. It took TWO nuclear attacks to convince the Japanese it was time to stop killing Americans. We talk a lot about respecting culture these days, and Japanese culture seemed intent on taking every American life down with them because surrendering was against their culture and a point of shame. When you are fighting an enemy with such strong cultural differences, it is my opinion that we can’t ever say, “Yes, because you have a culture of your own you get to kill one million more Americans because that is what you want to do.” Japanese culture is fine, but when it means another one million American dead, that is where I draw the line. And as a reminder, it was Japan who started the war with America and Japan who refused to surrender when they were beat.

As far as Dresden goes, I really do not know. I am sure the British and US governments at the time would remind you that the German aggression had killed 50 million+ people during WWII and the Dresden bombing was imperative to take out the factories that produced these weapons of genocide and butchery and major transportation hubs. It was the Germans who used their own people as human shields to build the machines of genocide. Your real question might be, "Should German civilians have the right to shield factories so that the Germans can continue building weapons to continue their war of genocide and imperialism?"

The British and US governments then (or now) may even remind us that the Germans had the Allied troops far outgunned for the entire war and to win the war, the Allies had to stop these German guns from being built. But I do not know for myself if such a bombing was appropriate given the circumstances. But since I am on a history kick of sorts, I am going to find a good book or two on the topic.

Vidro,

You are wrong on several fronts.

1. It is EasilyFound who was caddy and snarky and he admitted it and apologized.

2. I certainly did not say the service was useless or inadequate, I suggested making a change for the future. The gentleman posted it for public viewing and comment. I viewed it and commented. That is my right. You are the one getting all worked up and making false accusations. Perhaps if you had family members who have been survivors of terrorist attacks, you would understand my basic point that all terror is related.

I look forward to your snarky reply.

Mamacita:

Yes, perhaps we are all crazy! That works for me.

EasilyFound:

You are just incorrect and I am surprised you would play a rhetorical game. Perhaps you are just upset with yourself for saying I was not being genuine, so you are going down with a sinking ship. Perhaps you are upset because I answered your questions in a serious and thoughtful manner. The original post clearly said it was a "solidarity" and "peace" memorial service.

Again, I applaud brownstoneJew's efforts, and I also expressed an idea or suggestion as well. No harm in that. Not everyone has such thin skin as you seem to have EasilyFound.

As far as arrogance goes, I answered your questions at some length, in a "genuine" manner, and all you can do is call names. I encourage you to embrace ideas that are respectfully presented, as mine are, but are simply different from your own.

Garfunky the Snarker:

You are so cool to think "when I disagree with someone he or she must be 'disingenuous.'" So open minded. I wish I was more like you and could dismiss everyone I disagree with as being "disingenuous."

I stand by my statements. You are free to disagree. You are free to be as caddy and snarky as you would like. What a cool trait you have.

Pitu the fake Buddhist:

I disagree with your post. EasilyFound is easily snarky and easily caddy. My original post and view stand. Thanks for sharing fake Buddhist.

Go in peace,

Dexter, Real Jew

Potter:

12 million? 50 million or more people perished during WWII and the holocaust. I am not sure where you got 12 million from.

I can't speak for other Jews, I can only speak from my own experience.

Vidro:

Well, when you are using words like "stupider," perhaps you should have never responded at all.

vidro3 wrote: i suppose it is pointless to point out that this was a memorial for victims of a terrorist attack whereas, war ≠ terrorism, and genocide ≠ terrorism.

I was just responding to what I perceived to be Dexter's definition of terror, which focused on killing civilians for political gain:

It is my view that all terrorism is related. Targeting civilians for political or religious gain is always sick.

Flexi:

What is better then stupider and caddy is joining hands to fight all terrorism, not just some terrorism.

Snarky Garfunky McSnarker:

You suggest that I haven't replied to questions. You write, "Since you reply to perfectly legitimate questions with child like taunts and name calling..."

Please point out any questions that have gone unanswered and I am happy to respond. Please take a deep breath and refrain from being your usual snarky self.

BTW - I am sorry about the passing of your great uncle. Give my regards to your family.

Dex, the UnSnarky, Peace Loving, Terror Despising SuperDude

Terrorism, Shmerrorism Can't we just celebrate the good things?!

Disrespectful, not-safe-for-work image removed by apollonia666. If you have a problem with that PM me, but I'll tell you right now we are NOT having it in this thread out of respect for the people who were murdered that this event is supposed to be about.

Edited to add: In case anyone is curious, the photo I removed was an ad for some BBW porn site and was a picture of a fat woman in a bra and panties.