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modsquad wrote: Dexter. blogging on Brooklynian is a bit like masturbation, a necessary evil. If you choose to join the Circle Jerk you must stroke with the rest of us.
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Circle Jerk, is that at Bartell Prichard, it's nice of you to ask Dexter to join in.
What night and is there a rain date?
I'll be sure to take my raincoat
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Carnivore:
You are wrong. BrooklynGigCenter stated that having an online memorial for terror victims is a punishment. Franky, that is offensive. -
Today, Reuters decided to refer to the terrorists who killed in India as “militants.” These people killed and tortured women and children, but their actions are cleansed and diluted of all evil because they are considered soldiers, not terrorists. The article is, titled, “US's Rice: Mumbai militants used Pakistani soil” and can be found at:
http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed2/idUSN07404734
The term terror or terrorist was not used a single time in the article. This has been going on for years. Even the NY Times, Washington Post, LA Times, NPR and others do it.
So, a terrorist event occurs, we mourn the dead for that specific event, and only days later, the terrorists are now "militants" fighting a war.
I doubt very much that anyone on this list will have the courage to consider what I have said here, but make no mistake about it, terrorism occurs because society tolerates it. Terrorism occurs because any specific event, such as the India terror attacks, are quickly regarded as a struggle in someone’s war. So we remember one event and one event quickly becomes okay and just another battle in a legitimate war.
But by remembering Israelis, Palestinians, Indians, etc. killed in terrorist attacks one is left with the impression that regardless of motives, it is all terror and all wrong to specifically target civilians. When we remember everyone, it is much harder to toss around diluted and weak terms such as “militant” or “freedom fighter.”
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again without success. -
Carni, don't feed the troll. C'mon, look at his avatar and his nickname. Combine that with his saccharine sentiments and his steadfast refusal to acknowledge the absolute nonsense of his position... he's just baiting us all.
Let him sit quietly in the corner talking only to himself. -
booklaw,
You are funny and you proved my point - thank you. You are unable to respond to my post about Reuters because that may cause you to consider a view that is different from yours. So booklaw takes the easy way out. Booklaw finds it easier to call other people trolls then to actually respond to content. So sad for booklaw and so sad for humanity.
BTW booklaw, you clearly are responding to me, and not to Carni. If you really wanted to ignore me, you would have sent Carni a private message. So you pretend to ignore me, but really, you are responding to me. But may I suggest that you respond to my content and leave your snarky behavior behind. -
Dexter your criticism of the original event posted was unfounded, as the event was held in response to the most recent terror attack. Victims of past terror attacks were memorialized at events held when those attacks occured. The indignation of those on this forum at your posting your opinion in regards to this memorial service is not because your point (regarding the need to condemn all terror attacks) is not a valid one. Rather it is out of place to post it in regards to the memorial service of which you wrote that you "don't see the point" of having. Your quote from Reuters etc. is not relevant to the memorial service that was held in response to this terror attack.
If you feel that every memorial service needs to include every victim of every attack that has occured since terror began to occur in this world, then GET UP AND DO IT YOURSELF. Don't criticize those that seek to actually do something to at least memorialize the victims of a most recent attack (especially when they actually did mourn the others, as you so self righteously "advise", but actually did nothing yourself in this regard).
You repeatedly tell others responding to you to answer thecontent of your comments but you chose not to respond to any of my comments in my previous post. Rather, you harp upon personal criticism of your opinion. Perhaps, you would do well to stop thinking so much of yourself (and opinions) and telling others what they must do and start practicing some of your own "'advice". -
brownstoneJew,
I have responded to all of the points in your posts and I have done so politely. What shocks me is that everyone on this forum, or at least those who respond, are working under the assumption that I must agree with your points (or their points) to be genuine or thoughtful. That is not true.
I have applauded your efforts, and I have also stated my opinions clearly. But since you are accusing me still of not responding to you, I will let you know once more what I have said (of course, you could just take the time to actually read the posts).
In my opinion, it is better to honor the Indian victims of terror within a larger context. As I said before, in my Temple growing up, we always remembered and prayed for terror victims. For example, "Let's remember the victims in Bosnia and those around the world who have fallen to terrorism."
So, for the tenth time or more, I will say it again, ideally, a memorial service would remember and have room for all terror victims.
Now, as far as the GET UP AND DO IT YOURSELF argument you make, you must be joking. Frankly, that is just a silly argument. If someone expresses an opinion that the new Shea stadium was built poorly, are you really going to say, "Go do it yourself"? When my grandfather criticizes the military strategy in Iraq as well as the players on the local football team, are you really going to say, "go do it yourself."
One can have opinions on matters and politely express them without having to GET UP AND DO IT YOURSELF.
Instead of accusing me of not listening, it is you bro who can use a little lesson on listening. -
66 posts in 48 hours seems a little excessive.
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Mookie:
You are funny Mookie. brownstoneJew accuses me of not answering enough, and you want me to respond to people less. Damned if you do, damned if you don't around here!
By the way Mook, there is a serious discussion going on, shame you choose to post without adding anything to the discussion.
What do you think Mookie? Or do you only post to count other people's posts? -
booklaw wrote: Carni, don't feed the troll. C'mon, look at his avatar and his nickname. Combine that with his saccharine sentiments and his steadfast refusal to acknowledge the absolute nonsense of his position... he's just baiting us all.
Get over yourself. There are people who have no problem with his avatar. That is the only reason he is getting hassled by the way.
Let him sit quietly in the corner talking only to himself. -
nah, he was getting "hassled" before that avatar ever appeared. (bro.)
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Eggcream,
Thank you for pointing out that my Bush avatar has made everyone lose their minds. So much for people being open minded about ideas. -
your bush avatar has nothing to do with what i dislike about your posts on this thread.
i'm not interested in joining in the fray as such, but just so you can rest easy about that one, bro. -
sweet tea,
So, you want me to know that you dislike my posts, but you are apparently too passive aggressive to engage in conversation or discourse. So sad for this forum and this thread. When you are ready to engage in polite conversation instead of passive aggressive behavior, I am happy to discuss issues with you.
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Dexter wrote: BrooklynGigCenter:
I was referring to the attacks in this forum that BrownstoneJew has come under while trying to do something positive. They've been unneccesarily corrosive. Like I said, no good deed goes unpunished.
It is a shame you are opposed to remember those who have perished in terror attacks. What a shame. -
BrooklynGig:
Please explain these "attacks" you speak of. I applauded brownstoneJew for his efforts and then disagreed with some of the comments in his later posts. I was also concerned that brownstoneJew was just talking and not listening. But “attacks” you say? You must have super thin skin bro.
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Flexichick wrote: [quote=booklaw]Dex: No one is interested. Go away.
+1 =D>
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So too bad the Giants lost today, huh?
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maybe karma for the whole plaxico burress business?
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BrooklynGig and sweet tea:
Shame you choose to discuss football in a thread that was started to remember those who died at the hand of terrorists.
apollonia666 wrote earlier in this thread, "we are NOT having it in this thread out of respect for the people who were murdered that this event is supposed to be about."
Shame you didn't heed these wise words and had to go and disrespect the victims of terror. Such a shame.
Also a shame you are not able to engage in productive communication and dialogue. When you both are able to discuss issues and ideas in a polite manner, I will be here ready to respond. Until then, you will both be snarky and caddy I am sure.
Dex -
sweet tea wrote: maybe karma for the whole plaxico burress business?
possibly but brandon jacobs leaving in the third quarter could not have helped. -
Vidro,
You have officially joined the ranks of the snarker mcsnarkers who choose to disrespect people who have fallen to terrorism.
When you are ready to discuss issues in a productive way, Dexter is here.
Check out this very disturbing Reuters article at:
http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed2/idUSN07404734
It backs up all of my points made on this thread. Apparently, according to Reuters, people who kill and torture civilians are "militants", not terrorists. That is what Reuters, the Times, and others do with Israel too. Suicide bombers are militants and freedom fighters. All terrorism is related and all tolerance of terrorism is related.
God forbid, if we have another 9/11, expect Reuters and others to report on the freedom fighters and militants who attacked us.
But you keep on being snarky vidro. That is nice and safe for you and prevents you from having to converse in a polite and thoughtful manner. -
The terms militant and terrorist are not antithetical. The people who committed these horrendous acts fit both definitions
Definition of Militant from dictionary.com:
Militant: fighting, warring, or aggressive person or party
Nowhere does the definition mention anything about being justified. -
I would like to applaud everyone who has read this thread and refrained from posting in it. Sincerely, my applause. You are stronger Brooklynianites than I. I realize I've just excluded myself from the very group I'm applauding, but in this case I feel it's more important to give kudos to those who show self-restraint than to be among them.
Dexter, I think many would join me in applauding you if you were to let this thing go. Please. If that means you must write off all Brooklynian posters as snarky and unresponsive, so be it. Just let. it. go. -
CCCC:
At best, militant is a euphemism, and at worst, it is meant as a way to support the specific targeting of women and children.
Inelson:
There is nothing to let go. I have posted ideas in a polite and respectful manner and I will continue doing so.
Remembering all victims of terror is nothing to be ashamed of. If you think otherwise, then that is your right.
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Inelson:
Next time you post you may want to actually weigh in on the topic of remembering only some of those who have been attacked by terrorists or remembering all of those who have fallen to the sword of terrorism.
Me - I applaud those who hold events to remember those who died in India and I politely suggest that suggest events would have greater benefit if they also remembered all of the other victims of terror. That way, we try and break this vicious circle of:
Terror attack - three days pass - terror attack is regarded as a military operation. What a bad, ugly cycle. -
Dexter- Can't bring himself to admit he was actually wrong when writing "I am not sure I see the point in remembering...". Instead tries to imply that he is "polite" and supportive of the event and only "suggesting" how to have events of greater benefit.
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brownstoneJew and others:
In an opinion piece by Robert D. Kaplan in today's NY Times, he writes:
"Now there is only one long continuum stretching from the Mediterranean to the jungles of Burma, with every crisis from the Israeli-Palestinian dispute in the west to the Hindu-Muslim dispute in the east interlocked with the one next door.
Yet this elongated Greater Near East does not signify something new but something old."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/08/opinion/08kaplan.html?_r=1&ref=opinion
Looks like others share my views. Or is Mr. Kaplan "disingenuous" too? Should Mr. Kaplan apoligize for his sincere views too? -
And brownstone:
I didn't "imply" anything. I may be the only one on this thread who is stating things. You can disagree with my comments, but nothing by me has been implied bro. I will leave “implying” to the passive aggressive types like Flexi and EasilyFound -
cccc wrote: The terms militant and terrorist are not antithetical. The people who committed these horrendous acts fit both definitions
I actually have to agree with Dexter on this one point. When the media stops referring to terrorists as anything other than terrorists, it adds some legitimacy to their actions. A terrorist terrorizes innocent and uninvolved civilians in an aggressive campaign to advance their own personal agenda. Everyone knows what a terrorist is. By replacing the term terrorist with militant the picture become just a little bit murkier. Militants don’t necessarily terrorize civilians. Its a very long slippery slope to referring to a terrorist as a freedom fighter, but it is the start and one that intelligent consumers of the media should be aware of.
Definition of Militant from dictionary.com:
Militant: fighting, warring, or aggressive person or party
Nowhere does the definition mention anything about being justified.
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