Crime down in North Crown Heights

Subject: Re: Crime down in North Crown Heights

greg wrote: At the Community Board 8 meeting last night, the 77th Precinct posted their monthly crime report. Overall they state that crime was down 15% from last year. Here's the breakdown versus 2005.

2006 2005
Murder 0 3
Rape 1 0
Robbery 33 25
Felory assault 15 40
Burglary 29 31
Grand larceny 24 24
Gr. Larceny
auto 15 16

Looks like the big news is a bid decrease in assaults and a smaller increase in robbery.

Muggers are up, violence is down? You're more likely to robbed, less likely to get beat up? Progress?? :?

You make it seem as if the police are the ones commiting these crimes. They can't control when, what, or where criminal strike. :roll:

Subject: Re: Crime down in North Crown Heights

Carnivore wrote: [quote=Anonymous]They can't control when, what, or where criminal strike. :roll:

When they're successful, that's exactly the kind of claim they make about their Compstat system.

That's not true. When they are successful its in catching the criminals not controlling when, what, or where criminal strike. You people on this site need to enroll in the civilian police academy maybe you'll understand there jobs a little better.

When you need them you expect them the perform a miracle they are regular human beings just like us.

Subject: Re: Crime down in North Crown Heights

Carnivore wrote: [quote=Anonymous][quote=Carnivore][quote=Anonymous]They can't control when, what, or where criminal strike. :roll:

When they're successful, that's exactly the kind of claim they make about their Compstat system.

That's not true. When they are successful its in catching the criminals not controlling when, what, or where criminal strike. You people on this site need to enroll in the civilian police academy maybe you'll understand there jobs a little better.

When you need them you expect them the perform a miracle they are regular human beings just like us.

If you look at what we were originally discussing (crime statistics showing an increase in robberies in our district), that is exactly what Compstat is supposed to prevent. The statistics are supposed to enable the cops to redeploy their units to address these kinds of upswings and decrease crime both through catching the criminals and through deterrence. Commanders attend regular meetings where they are supposed to present how they plan to counter any hotspots in their areas. This is what it appears they are failing to do in our area. See the link here:

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/chfdept/compstat-process.html

The Official NYPD Website wrote: During their presentation, members of the Executive Staff frequently ask commanders probing questions about crime and arrest activity as well as about specific cases and initiatives they have undertaken to reduce crime and enforce quality of life offenses. Commanders are expected to demonstrate a detailed knowledge of the crime and quality of life problems existing within their commands and to develop innovative and flexible tactics to address them.

Finally, you should learn how to properly conjugate verbs in English, how to use punctuation, and the difference between "there" and "their" and "its" and "it's" before you start recommending further education for anyone else.

This little message board is not that serious. Most people here don't speak proper English. Who cares.

The commanding officer in the 77th pct. does address the quality of life problems as best as he can. The police department is a Law Enforcement Agency not miracle workers. They do the best job that they can do as far as deterring crime you(the community) don't give them the credit they deserve. You want them to fix everything on their own when they can't do it without the help of the community. You complain about everything and when it comes down to it you claim that you never saw anything because most of you are scared. The NYPD is the best police department in the US and I commend them all.

Grammer aside, I agree with the crux of this guest's posts. I think that the police are often criticized no matter what they do: if crime rates rise, cops are accused of being indifferent or incompetent, yet if crime rates fall, cops are accused of fabricating and/or deflating the statistics. I, too, think that the police are doing a good job. When I think back to how violent the city was in the late 80s and early 90s, I'm grateful that we're living in safer times.

Carnivore wrote: [quote=Jack Krohn]Grammer aside, I agree with the crux of this guest's posts. I think that the police are often criticized no matter what they do: if crime rates rise, cops are accused of being indifferent or incompetent, yet if crime rates fall, cops are accused of fabricating and/or deflating the statistics. I, too, think that the police are doing a good job. When I think back to how violent the city was in the late 80s and early 90s, I'm grateful that we're living in safer times.

Fair enough, although the NYPD isn't the only reason for the change in violent crime. The city's underlying economic health and the declining popularity of crack cocaine also played big parts in the crime decrease. The rational use of statistics in crime fighting, and the 5000 additional cops on the street (a Dinkins initiative) were important, but were unfortunately accompanied by some serious abuses of authority and many cases of outright racism under the Giuliani administration.

Yes, I agree, it's more complicated than just the police - I only wanted to give them their credit.