How do you feel about development?
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I voted for the third option, but I'd really have preferred something in the middle of the two choices for owners. there's gotta be a middle ground: no, I don't like trash in the streets, but I also would prefer to avoid someone vacuuming everything "undesireable" out of the neighborhood.
regarding polarization: I bought my apartment last may. I know how difficult it was for me, with a white collar job, awesome credit and a very healthy savings account, to buy my apartment. it was way more expensive than I thought it would be and was very financially devastating (I really had no idea what I was getting into at all). and my apartment was DIRT CHEAP. I have no clue how people who've lived in this neighborhood forever feel about the way prices are skyrocketing. I mean, I'm having trouble fathoming how someone who *wants* to be in PH will be able to afford an apartment in the glass house. -
i can't vote without a middle option... for example, i would love to have some of the empty storefronts filled on washington, but let's not kick out the stuff that has kept washington ave alive for so long -- even if some of these places i might not frequent or others might find less fancy or even undesirable for whatever reason. grow & build some without pushing out... perhaps more ideal than realistic, but that's my vote!
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I agree; this is a bullshit dichotomy. I'm not voting in this poll without more choices.
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Yeah, there was definitely a middle ground option missing. I don't mind world class developments as long as its got some character and is in scale and I'm definitely not overly attached to dirty vacant lots.
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vanilla wrote: i can't vote without a middle option... for example, i would love to have some of the empty storefronts filled on washington, but let's not kick out the stuff that has kept washington ave alive for so long -- even if some of these places i might not frequent or others might find less fancy or even undesirable for whatever reason. grow & build some without pushing out... perhaps more ideal than realistic, but that's my vote!
I agree, Vanilla. What I like the most about PHeights is our "neighborhood feel". If I wanted to live amongst huge, modern glass buildings, I'd move to the City. I happen to like the small scale brownstones in our area. It's charming, mellow and quaint. Do I like trash and empty lots? No. But I don't like gargantuon (sp?) ominous buildings that scream: 'Am I hip/modern enough for ya?!'
I'm just a simple working class girl trying to live in a non-pretentious neighborhood. -
Subject: We need to keep a racial and economic mix
I like ammenties but I also like the feel of our neighborhood as it is right now. I wish that people of all colors---not just white people---were moving into the neighborhood. I also wish there were more opportunities for people of all socioeconomic backgrounds to purchase and rent apts. in the hood---as much of an nuisance as some of you think certain buildings in the neighborhood are, its still important to keep a racial and economic mix. Like some people on this listserv, my property value has escalated to the point where I can actually live somewhere else, BUT, I stay in Prospect Heights because I've been here for 12 years and I feel like its important to maintain an African-American presence in the neighborhood. Young people of African descent need to know that they still belong here, too. That being said, I'd appreciate a coffee place that we all feel comfortable in and I'd also like to see a salon where new people in the 'hood feel comfortable going to get their hair done. The trash all over St. Johns place disgusts me as does the building at the corner of Washington and St. Johns (squatter building.) All of that aside, I've been here for a very long time, invested in the neighborhood, and can't imagine living anywhere else besides Montclair, NJ. -
PHeightsGirl wrote:
I'm sure you're sincere about this, but to me this kind of comment would carry a lot more legitimacy but for all those Manhattanites who protest every tall building that goes up as well. Did anyone hear the recent furor over a 15-20 story building going up in Tribeca, or the outrage over the building at Astor Place, or over any type of construction whatsoever in the UWS? For them, I guess it's, "If I wanted to live amongst huge, modern glass bulidings, I'd move to midtown...." or something like that.
If I wanted to live amongst huge, modern glass buildings, I'd move to the City.
I could just as easily say, "If you wanted to live without tall buildings around, you could move to the suburbs." Brooklyn IS the City!!!
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If you don't want it, how about throwing some development towards CH?
Just a little, we have nothing like Soda or Gen or even Geno's, I would really just like a place to have a beer or coffee in the 'hood. Compared to CH, PH, is like the L.E.S. . -
bravo, escap, bravo:::
I could just as easily say, "If you wanted to live without tall buildings around, you could move to the suburbs." Brooklyn IS the City!!!
i wholeheartedly agree, dammit.
i am for development. if you build it, they will come.
i applaud those who are trying to put up progressive buildings in prospect heights and crown heights.
just make sure you contain the rats that escape the construction zone. -
I also declined to vote, need some "grey" options, not just all or nothing. :?
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escap wrote: [I'm sure you're sincere about this, but to me this kind of comment would carry a lot more legitimacy but for all those Manhattanites who protest every tall building that goes up as well. Did anyone hear the recent furor over a 15-20 story building going up in Tribeca, or the outrage over the building at Astor Place, or over any type of construction whatsoever in the UWS? For them, I guess it's, "If I wanted to live amongst huge, modern glass bulidings, I'd move to midtown...." or something like that.
I don't think it's too much to ask to want to live in an urban environment and not want to be overshadowed by massive scale developments. In fact, people living in the suburbs have the same gripes. "If we wanted to live in a commerical office park, we'd live in the cities!" I don't think it's fair to be like if you want to live somewhere with some space, well tough luck. I don't think there's a single person who moved to PH or CH or Tribeca or the Village in the hopes of one day having a high rise take away the little patch of sky they could afford.
I could just as easily say, If you wanted to live without tall buildings around, you could move to the suburbs. Brooklyn IS the City!!!
As for the "Brooklyn is the city" thing, of course Brooklyn is in New York City, but there's a native shorthand term of people from outer boroughs that call Manhattan "The City" as in the place where people (mostly) work and they're glad to come home from. -
escap wrote: [quote=PHeightsGirl]
I'm sure you're sincere about this, but to me this kind of comment would carry a lot more legitimacy but for all those Manhattanites who protest every tall building that goes up as well. Did anyone hear the recent furor over a 15-20 story building going up in Tribeca, or the outrage over the building at Astor Place, or over any type of construction whatsoever in the UWS? For them, I guess it's, "If I wanted to live amongst huge, modern glass bulidings, I'd move to midtown...." or something like that.
If I wanted to live amongst huge, modern glass buildings, I'd move to the City.
I could just as easily say, "If you wanted to live without tall buildings around, you could move to the suburbs." Brooklyn IS the City!!!
Hey, thanks for calling my opinion illegitimate! That's just great.
I don't have any engery to defend my point. If you got it, you got it. FYI --- by saying 'the City' I meant Manhattan.
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vanilla wrote: i can't vote without a middle option... for example, i would love to have some of the empty storefronts filled on washington, but let's not kick out the stuff that has kept washington ave alive for so long -- even if some of these places i might not frequent or others might find less fancy or even undesirable for whatever reason. grow & build some without pushing out... perhaps more ideal than realistic, but that's my vote!
I vote for the vanilla option! -
alfairnadia said: "I'm having trouble fathoming how someone who *wants* to be in PH will be able to afford an apartment in the glass house."
This says a mouthful about real estate/neighborhood market dynamics. Do the people who have moved (renters or buyers) to PH over the last 5 years come here out of CHOICE (they considered several different neighbhoods before choosing this one) or NECESSITY (this was the only option for reasons of cost, work, amenities)? I'd love to see a poll on this issue....
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ok...let the poll begin...
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I am down for positive Development. Civic Development: bike trails, parks, pedestrian bridges and walks, people type gathering places that do not generate income but are good places to be...we need more of those in all cities.
That is, Development the helps the entire community and not just one segment or demographic. While the Atlantic Terminal Mall design is hideous and almost thoughtless in its urban setting ( I'll give them a little credit for that weak-ass infinitely unfinished outdoor "plaza")- we all go to 'Tar-jhay' - as do people from Crown Heights and Bed-Stuy and Park Slope alike. The Benefits to the community outweigh the bad design and uncomfortable, pedstrian, suburban-like street crossing adventures.
We also do need more mixed use: 4-8 storey residentials with retail on the bottom floors to keep the streets alive and urban past 6pm (with non criminal activities that is).
We also need to increase the street tree planting and green space initiatives. Eastern Parkway doesn't look like much of a PARKway ( like in the old turn of the century photographs). How about some trees on Vanderbilt too!?
IMHO: Brooklyn is a "better" place to live than Harlem for several reasons but one is that it has more green spaces and 'sit down' restaurants that aren't McDonalds ( of course central park is immediately south and there are good restaurants but I am tllkking about trees in general and the BK ratio is better for eating choices). But we need more, of course.
The new BK Library Plaza will be a nice addition to the mix - when is it going to open anyway? Its almost spring. But that type of development, I like the best.
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