I wish someone would break PHONOH's legs
Subject: I wish someone would break PHONOH's legs
Yes that PHONOH - the idiot who has sprayed his stupid name all over my damn neighborhood. There isnt a spot that his guy hasnt hit and I for the life of me cant figure out why the police cant catch him and charge him with a felony. How hard could this guy be to find.Actually I hope they find him before I do b/c god forbid I see him tagging on my block one night I swear to god I'll be the one arrested for assault with my BB bat.
In case you missed this losers work he even has pages dedicated to him on the internet
http://www.robotswillkill.com/graffiti/showgraff.php?artist_id=2093
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Subject: park slope ghetto
Aren't there better things to focus your energy on other than "breaking the legs" of someone you feel has somehow tainted you or your hood...the police have a hard enough time responding to people being assualted and drug dealing that goes on in neighborhoods not so far from your "hood"... should they be even more thin stretched just so they can protect you from visual "pollutions"?...maybe if Park Slope is so concerned about protecting their astronomic property values, they should provide more space and oportunities for artists, instead of pushing out creativity if it doesnt fit in with the scheme of the newest coffe shop or other baby pushing, high class domain. they think they own the city and can just flush away all the elements that are unpleasant and not fitting with their "quality of life"...This is NY, except the chaos for what it is, and focus on something more positive...if you think putting a tag on a city wall (even multiple) is equatable or worthy of a (possible felonious) assualt, you have shit twisted..but probably your just talking hard, maybe it makes you feel better...just remeber people living in adjacent neighborhoods deal with real problems that don't penetrate the Park Slope bubble, so be glad a few tags are the only thing thats threatening you at the moment... -
Subject: Re: park slope ghetto
Relax the breaking legs part is hyperbole - however my distain is real.
As for your other comments, let me 1st say I have no idea why you are posting in a PS message board if you hate the neighborhood so much...that aside, I have plenty of drug dealing and armed robberies right here on my PS block, however, the NYPD as well as study after study have demonstrated the link between low level offenses (like graffiti) and a perception of lawlessness that fosters a climate where individuals feel safe to conduct more serious offenses. Therefore it is not (in my estimation) a waste of resources to try to stop such crimes.
Additionally whether the 78pct dedicated resources to catching an individual who is destroying property on a massive scale, has absoulutly no effect on the crime fighting in other pcts - 1st b/c except for city-wide events (like parades, terrorist alerts, etc) the 78 cops only 'fight crime' in the 78 AND every area has officers SOLEY dedicated to stopping graffiti.
Finally I am unaware of some conspiracy of Park Slopians to "push out creativity" (could you articulate on this point) and anyway writing your tag on every flat surface isnt creative it is just stupid and a desperate cry for attention. -
I wasn't going to jump into this thread, but I just got an e-mail from somene claiming to be PHONOH because of a picture I took of one of PHONOH's vans on my site. The person claiming to be PHONOH wants me to remove the picture from my site. Which is an odd request; a picture of a van won't erase the fact that the van already exists.
I'm a bit dubious if this person is indeed PHONOH becuase tons of sites document graf in this city. I'm not the only one who takes pictures. And removing the picture from my site won't make too much of a difference. And the timing of me receiving this e-mail is suspiciously close to the time this odd message was posted here on Daily Heights.
It's not like PHONOH is the only graf artist out there. And there are tons of others in an around Park Slope.
My spidey sense tells me someone has a personal axe to grind against PHONOH and is using this site--and contacting and other sites--to disparge and go after PHONOH.
I'd recommend any admin who reads this watch this thread and potentially lock it--if things get out of hand--since it seems like a public smear campaign and not a topic of discusion. -
Jack, I dont know if your implying something about me - but I dont know this PHONOH - (I wish I did actually) and my guess is that PHONOH figures having his "work" displayed on the internet may not be such a good idea - especially if he read this thread. I notice the link I posted yesterday doenst work and this may be related. Google caches the images anyway:
http://images.google.com/images?q=phonoh -
urbandog wrote: I notice the link I posted yesterday doenst work and this may be related.
Actually that link works fine. And the fact that you're posting pseudo-anonympously--with a handle but now realy way to contact--makes these claims more and more dubious.
With the piles of dog crap, overflowing garbage, and TONS of graffiti artists in the 'hood--not just this one PHONOH person you see obsessed with--it's very weird to see your complaints.
It's like focusing on one specific dog owner for not curbing their specific dog; there is clearly an axe to grind. -
I dont know where in the slope you are - but here in the lower - central, there may be tons of garbage rolling down 5th ave, and inconsiderate dog owners (I pick up my guys poop) and for sure more than 1 tagger; but this guy is really noticable above the fray, so to speak. I see a Phonoh tag for every 5 of someone elses.
BTW - Wouldnt you focus on a specific dog owner if that one dog owner left their dogs crap in f/o your apt every morning??? -
I dont know where in the slope you are - but here in the lower - central, there may be tons of garbage rolling down 5th ave, and inconsiderate dog owners (I pick up my guys poop) and for sure more than 1 tagger; but this guy is really noticable above the fray, so to speak. I see a Phonoh tag for every 5 of someone elses.
BTW - Wouldnt you focus on a specific dog owner if that one dog owner left their dogs crap in f/o your apt every morning??? -
Subject: GRAFFITI IS ALIVE AND WELL
GOD BLESS GRAFFITI -
Why don't you just try to organize a Graffiti Clean up in your area. The Police Department, Mayors Office, District Attorney's Office, Borough Presidents Office and the list goes on, will help in this process. Contact the Community Affairs Units for one or all of these agencies for assistance.
Also the police needs the help of the community to catch these graffiti artist, so if you have information about this call the precinct. -
Jack wrote: [quote=urbandog]I notice the link I posted yesterday doenst work and this may be related.
Actually that link works fine.
No, actually, it didn't work for me either -
his work looks beautiful to me. from the looks of those photos, he improved the spaces he tagged.
maybe he has a following on the internet because he's a valid artist, not a "loser" with too much time on his hands. -
Abandoned cars and the sides of non-descript industrial buildings?
I'd be inclined to call that beautification, not defacement.
If he/she tagged a historic structure, a garden wall or someone else's work of art I'd feel differently. I might also feel differently if I owned the buildings.
But if you don't own the buildings, then what's your beef? You would prefer a blank cement wall to colorful typography? -
i hate taggers. i agree if you dont clean it up. people would do worse things around the area thinking its crime filled.
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Dope on the Slope wrote: You would prefer a blank cement wall to colorful typography?
I would. I take it that you wouldn't agree... were you here when graffiti covered the subway cars? Did you prefer that to the relatively blank subway cars that we have now?
If the guy were out there painting murals, it might be a different story. As it is, he's spraying his (glorified) name all over the place and, to me, it's akin to a dog pissing on something to mark his territory.
I understand that art is subjective. To me, his work just doesn't qualify as art. Even if it did pass my "I know art when I see it," test, it would still be illegal unless it was done with the consent of the building's owner. You say that you might feel differently if you owned the building- do you own your home? If so, I know a few painters... They're always looking for a new canvas... of course, you're not going to have any knowledge, consent or input about the content of their art, but that's a small price for the beautification. -
nybt wrote: [quote=Dope on the Slope]You would prefer a blank cement wall to colorful typography?
I would. I take it that you wouldn't agree... were you here when graffiti covered the subway cars? Did you prefer that to the relatively blank subway cars that we have now?
If the guy were out there painting murals, it might be a different story. As it is, he's spraying his (glorified) name all over the place and, to me, it's akin to a dog pissing on something to mark his territory.
I understand that art is subjective. To me, his work just doesn't qualify as art. Even if it did pass my "I know art when I see it," test, it would still be illegal unless it was done with the consent of the building's owner. You say that you might feel differently if you owned the building- do you own your home? If so, I know a few painters... They're always looking for a new canvas... of course, you're not going to have any knowledge, consent or input about the content of their art, but that's a small price for the beautification.
makes sense. maybe the reason i like his work so much is because it's so colorful and well-designed, so it might as well be a mural. a lot of work and talent went in to what he did.
if it were just a bunch of different names quickly scribbled in black paint, i'd agree with you, but i suppose that would make me a hypocrite to the tagging crowd. -
God, what a bunch of jerks
Go back to your sterile, homogenized worlds with no graffiti.
While you're at it, throw all those homeless people in a crematorium.
And those unsighltly old people sucking up social security.
Graffiti is one of the reasons I love New York City.
It makes our city unique. If you want to endorse a gentrified world, then there are plenty of cities for you.
New York is great because it's grimey and there are no Wal-Marts.
Get over yourself. -
jo mama wrote: God, what a bunch of jerks
Come back when you've grown up, after you've worked hard, after you've earned something. Then let me know what you'd think about someone pissing all over your accomplishments.
Go back to your sterile, homogenized worlds with no graffiti.
While you're at it, throw all those homeless people in a crematorium.
And those unsighltly old people sucking up social security.
Graffiti is one of the reasons I love New York City.
It makes our city unique. If you want to endorse a gentrified world, then there are plenty of cities for you.
New York is great because it's grimey and there are no Wal-Marts.
Get over yourself. -
NYC is great b/c it is grimey?????
That has got to be the dumbest thing I have ever heard
Do you miss the days of open crack markets on most corners, and frequent gunfire too
Please let us know where you live so I can come take a crap on your front stoop and 'grimey' the place up for you. -
jo mama wrote: God, what a bunch of jerks
Heh, I'm assuming you're a troll, because nobody could be this stupid accidentally. Nevertheless, I'm with the guy above me - that is, if you are serious, let me know where you live and I'd be happy to spray paint and diarrhea all over your door. In the interests of improving your life, you understand.
Go back to your sterile, homogenized worlds with no graffiti.
While you're at it, throw all those homeless people in a crematorium.
And those unsighltly old people sucking up social security.
Graffiti is one of the reasons I love New York City.
It makes our city unique. If you want to endorse a gentrified world, then there are plenty of cities for you.
New York is great because it's grimey and there are no Wal-Marts.
Get over yourself. -
Subject: boohoo
If graffiti bothers you so much, don't live in New York City. Or any city for that matter. In fact, find a place with as few walls as possible. I know a nice spot in New Jersey. Empty fields. Cows. Quite a bit of space and not an inch on which to tag.
But empty fields don't have overpriced restaurants, or Brooklyn Industries, or wine shops or boutiques or even bodegas. Just a lot of grass and a lot of sky. The point is, if you want to live in a city and have access to the kind of life you want to live, then you're going to have to make exceptions.
And no, we don't want "open crack markets" or guys with semi-automatics prowling the streets, but there is a definite atmosphere difference. With every instance of whitewash, our borough and our city lose the little eccentricities that make it New York; cracking down on tagging might reduce crime rates (or projected crime rates), but it cripples yet another staple of Brooklyn and New York.
Now with the exception of the van (which looked newish and not in need of a paint job like his) and the one on the white building which probably was a copy job, Phonoh doesn't seem to be very obtrusive--he primarily sticks to what look like abandoned lots and factories. And trust me, living below Fourth Avenue, I could use a little livening up when it comes to the drab surroundings.
If you need to see what graffiti can really do to an industrial building, check out Five Points in Long Island City. It's quite stunning when seen from a passing 7 train.
Park Slope is a great place to live. But with so many different groups vying for superiority in the area, some concessions need to be made so everyone feels accomodated. I'm sorry, but it sounds so pathetic to hear people insult others because they hold their own lifestyles in such high regard.
That's just my two cents. Flame me if you want. I won't be posting again. -
Subject: Re: boohoo
washburn wrote: That's just my two cents. Flame me if you want. I won't be posting again.
Not a flame, but I don't leave anywhere I want to be - I will, however, do what I can to change things I don't like. Great if you enjoy grafitti, but I don't think I'll be moving because it bothers you that it bothers me. -
If graffiti bothers you so much, don't live in New York City
Actually - we tried that approach once before. It was called the 70's and early 80's. The city went to hell. Crime shot up, people fled for the suburbs or other parts of the country, and the city nearly went bankrupt.
Sorry for you, but we'll chose to stay and fight this time. Hopefully we'll win and not let this great city become a shit hole again. -
Jamzer wrote:
A fine point well stated. I never understood those who harbor romantic notions towards graffiti and other crap. Now, I grant you, some of these guys are really talented and it's cool to see their stuff - but 99% of it is just some 14 y.o. twerp with a sharpie or a spray can trying to be all hard by scrawling their dumbass tag.If graffiti bothers you so much, don't live in New York City
Actually - we tried that approach once before. It was called the 70's and early 80's. The city went to hell. Crime shot up, people fled for the suburbs or other parts of the country, and the city nearly went bankrupt.
Sorry for you, but we'll chose to stay and fight this time. Hopefully we'll win and not let this great city become a shit hole again.
Oh yes, and Neck Face is fat. I read that info on a bridge over W. 26th st. -
I agree that waxing "romanticly" on graffiti is overrated. Murals, and pieces of "art" painted or spray painted on out the way places can be really cool, but the justification that someones "tag" has artistic merit is lame. What if Target hired a kick ass team of graffiti artists to tag their logo everywhere? If it looks cool does that make it ok? The simple point is tagging is lame and spurred by the fact that taggers have zero respect for anyone else's property.
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I have mixed feelings about grafitti. Some of I I beleive is really outstanding and increadible, and a lot of it is pure, well, garbage.
An important thing to note is:
It is illegal to paint someone elses property without permisson. Period.
I'm not an uptight prude but I do think that we have to have some order in a society. None of you would like it If I came in to your living room and spray painted "SEVENONEEIGHTY" on your wall while you were asleep.
Murals and commissioned works in neighborhoods are great, but most grafitti is just from a bunch of jerks who simple take pleasure or are indifferent about destroying things that do not belong to them. the punishment for this crime should never be jail, the offeders caught should simply be forced to clean walls for 3 weeks and a wear a T-shirt that says " I destroy things that dont' belong to me becuase I am a jerk".
If you want to show your work, work on publishing a book, make a website, learn photoshop, buy canvases to paint on and sell them.
this silly notion of people " expressing themselves as artists" doesn't hold weight.
For those of you who disagree, I am coming to your living room to pee all over your floor as an "artistic expression", Then while I am at it, I will drop your ipod nano in the toilet and then we can see how YOU feel about it. Dont' be a hypocrite and stop romanticizing the destruction of property.
I would imagine you value the things that you own and would take offense to someone " artistically altering" it.
Also I OWN my property so I actually care if it gets destroyed or loses value. If you live in a neighborhood that has lots of petty crimes, chances are it also has problems with larger crimes. While grafitti does not cause these things, it IS an indicator of neighborhood stability - just like, say, as a harsher example, a crackhouse on a block.
Lets be real. Some grafitti artists are talented and if they simply focused a little, could come up with a way to express themselves without destroying things - THAT BELONG TO OTHER PEOPLE AND NOT THEM! -
Anonymous wrote: the punishment for this crime should never be jail, the offeders caught should simply be forced to clean walls for 3 weeks and a wear a T-shirt that says " I destroy things that dont' belong to me becuase I am a jerk".
I think those shirts would rapidly become a new "parental guideline explicit lyrics" type status symbol. I bet they'd fetch a nice price on E-bay! -
I cant believe that people would try to defend graffitti (painting or markering on someone elses property w/o permission) on artisitc (or any other grounds) - it is the alltime dumbest activity and far from being attractive it distracts from the architechture, landscaping and streetscapes that make our neighborhoods beautiful and interesting.
It just shows that there are many people amongst us, who really arent working toward a better more dynamic (socially and economically) safer city because in reality they are hoping for the city to return to a cesspool to gain 'street cred' or confirm there pathetically immature image of living 'outside' the mainstream -
Subject: T-Shirt
HA!
Carnivore - you may be right! What the hell is wrong with us?
But I think if it is done in the right way and those being punished are also cleaning, I'm not sure a shirt that says "I'm a Jerk" is the same as "You Cant Touch This" - it needs to actually be insulting to a 14-22 year old. Maybe if they are designed by 14-22 year olds you could find the " humiliation sweetspot".
I do like the Mural at Key Foods on Washington and Lincoln!
But "Neckface" is a talentless thug!
But the paper stencil art I've see around - which falls off and can be removed - is interesting. I still wish it could be done as a commisison istead of without permission. -
to eliminate graffiti you must eliminate mankind..good luck.
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* wrote: to eliminate graffiti you must eliminate mankind..good luck.
Is that supposed to be a thought evoking statement?
Yes, there will always be inconsiderate idiots out there; it will not be eliminated, but it doesn't mean that it can't be reduced. To simply throw your hands up in frustrated submission with a "well, that's just the way it is- can't do anything about it" flies in the face of the human spirit.
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